Re: The benefit of a symbol for 2 pi

2002-01-16 Thread Robert Palais
To the members of the discussion: I saw Dr. Nelson Beebe today and discovered his intent was that I bring this to the American Mathematical Society's discussion forum on Unicode, not the general one. I will be doing so, and apologize if my inquiry intruded on your work, and at the same time, app

RE: MS Arial Unicode vs. MS Gothic (CJK)

2002-01-16 Thread Rick Cameron
Sorry about that. I'll try again with an ordinary attachment... - rick -Original Message- From: Rick Cameron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 16 January 2002 15:16 To: Unicode List Subject: RE: MS Arial Unicode vs. MS Gothic (CJK) When I insert these characters into Word 20

Re: Unicode Devanagari Range

2002-01-16 Thread Patrick Andries
Aman Chawla wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]"> This is with reference to the Unicode Devanagari (Hindi) Range. Is there a way to overcome/override the automatic glyph substitution that occurs when one types a pure consonant (eg. 0926 द) + halant (094D ्) + another consonant (0918 घ) ?

Re: MS Arial Unicode vs. MS Gothic (CJK)

2002-01-16 Thread SOS Uni Bonn
Thank you for your replies. The answer is U+7114 seems to be incorrect in the Arial Unicode MS Font. (And, of course, MS Gothic is an unicode font.) Kay Genenz

RE: Unicode Devanagari Range

2002-01-16 Thread Apurva Joshi
Title: Message  Aman Chawla-ji, To supress conjunct formation, a ZWNJ (U+200C) can be inserted after the Halant. Thus, the input sequence will be: 0926 094D 200C 0918. Fonts designed for newspapers are designed to meet specific legibility criteria (high legibilty at small po

RE: MS Arial Unicode vs. MS Gothic (CJK)

2002-01-16 Thread Rick Cameron
Title: RE: MS Arial Unicode vs. MS Gothic (CJK) When I insert these characters into Word 2002 and set the font to Arial Unicode MS, I see <<...OLE_Obj...>> - two different glyphs. - rick cameron -Original Message- From: SOS Uni Bonn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 16 J

Unicode Devanagari Range

2002-01-16 Thread Aman Chawla
 This is with reference to the Unicode Devanagari (Hindi) Range. Is there a way to overcome/override the automatic glyph substitution that occurs when one types a pure consonant (eg. 0926 द) + halant (094D ् ) + another consonant (0918 घ) ?   When one types the previously indicated sequence,

Re: The benefit of a symbol for 2 pi

2002-01-16 Thread Robert Palais
I thought this would best be kept offline, but I disagree with most of these points, where I could see many in your first private email. If you read the article, you will see that there is basically no use of diameter in mathematics or physics, that pi is an invention of the 1700's, not the gre

RE: Unicode Search Engines

2002-01-16 Thread Maurice Bauhahn
Brio Software's Knowledge Server and Autonomy's DRE are Unicode-based.   Cheers,   Maurice Bauhahn -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Aman ChawlaSent: 16 January 2002 19:49To: UnicodeSubject: Unicode Search Engines Are there a

RE: Unicode Search Engines

2002-01-16 Thread Addison Phillips [wM]
Most search engines can search sites encoded in UTF-8. That isn't generally the problem. The problem is entering the data to search for. Most of the search pages aren't encoded in a Unicode encoding, so you can't enter "just any" Unicode characters to search for...   One exception that I know

MS Arial Unicode vs. MS Gothic (CJK)

2002-01-16 Thread SOS Uni Bonn
I could not find sufficient information on unicode.org webpages, so please let me ask - just send me a link for further information Why do both of the characters coded 7130 and 7114 (焰 & 焔) (and probably others, too) appear in the shape of 7130 when using MS Arial Unicode in MS Office but in the

Re: [Unicode] Unicode Search Engines

2002-01-16 Thread Richard Čepas
On Wed Jan 16 23:49:29 2002 +0400 Aman Chawla wrote: >Are there any search engines at all at present which allow one to search sites >encoded in UTF-8? If not, are there plans to build such search engines? For example, >is Google going to implement such an engine? > http://www.altavista.com/cg

Re: The benefit of a symbol for 2 pi

2002-01-16 Thread Barry Caplan
At 11:33 AM 1/16/2002 -0700, Robert Palais wrote: >is at the same time somewhat a Catch-22. Nelson Beebe recommended it since >he figured unicode 3.2 would be the make or break for "getting it in use". >I'd be curious if you disagree with the thesis that a symbol for >6.28 has scientific/mathemati

RE: Unicode Search Engines

2002-01-16 Thread James Turley
The Google Search engine is Unicode, AFAIK -- XA International20205 Saratoga Vista Ct Contract Programming Agency Saratoga, CA 95070 International Software Engineering mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xai.com +1 408 741 5577 Voice+1

Re: The benefit of a symbol for 2 pi

2002-01-16 Thread David Starner
On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 11:33:48AM -0700, Robert Palais wrote: > is at the same time somewhat a Catch-22. Nelson Beebe recommended it since > he figured unicode 3.2 would be the make or break for "getting it in use". It's too late for Unicode 3.2. In any case, there's a lot of people who would li

Re: The benefit of a symbol for 2 pi

2002-01-16 Thread Robert Palais
Thanks Rick, That's why I brought it up here, to get unofficial feedback! As a matter of credit- the suggested \newpi symbol was not mine but due to Richard Palais (mathematical adviser of Leslie Lamport (LaTeX) and Mike Spivak (AMSTeX/Joy of TeX) at Brandeis). In \TeX : \def \newpi{{\pi\mskip

Unicode Search Engines

2002-01-16 Thread Aman Chawla
Are there any search engines at all at present which allow one to search sites encoded in UTF-8? If not, are there plans to build such search engines? For example, is Google going to implement such an engine?   Aman Chawla

Re: The benefit of a symbol for 2 pi

2002-01-16 Thread David Starner
On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 11:16:51AM -0800, Rick McGowan wrote: > If this symbol starts showing up widely instead of "2 pi" in mainstream > high school math text books, then UTC will know it's time to encode it. > Until then, it's a curiosity. That's a little excessive, isn't it? I would think

Re: The benefit of a symbol for 2 pi

2002-01-16 Thread Michael Everson
At 11:33 -0700 2002-01-16, Robert Palais wrote: >It was also accepted >"in use" in the Mathematical Association of America's refereed Journal >of Online Mathematics www.joma.org/more/palaismore.html where the >one revolution periodicity and 1/4 phase shifts are represented and >the graphs are lab

Re: The benefit of a symbol for 2 pi

2002-01-16 Thread Rick McGowan
Robert Palais wrote: > Nelson Beebe recommended it since he figured unicode 3.2 would be > the make or break for "getting it in use". Speaking not officially, but as someone who has been lurking around here awhile, the Unicode Technical Committee does not generally float trial balloons. In o

Re: The benefit of a symbol for 2 pi

2002-01-16 Thread Michael Everson
I think it's cute. But I guess I'd call it "tri". -- Michael Everson *** Everson Typography *** http://www.evertype.com

RE: Off topic: Whut in tarnation is Unicode?

2002-01-16 Thread Yves Arrouye
Re: elite-speak generator, I meant the one Edward Cherlin posted: L33t-5p34k, d00d! 1t'5 3v3rywh3r3. Try the L33t-5p34K Generator!!!### at http://www.geocities.com/mnstr_2000/translate.html but the link to the trusty mail archives was enough :) Thanks. YA -- Sailing is harder than flying. It'

Re: The benefit of a symbol for 2 pi

2002-01-16 Thread Robert Palais
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Michael Everson wrote: > I think it's cute. But I guess I'd call it "tri". > -- > Michael Everson *** Everson Typography *** http://www.evertype.com > Thanks, good suggestion! Don Tucker pointed out the stability of a three-legged stool. It has to be one-syllable, though tr

Re: The benefit of a symbol for 2 pi

2002-01-16 Thread David Starner
On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 10:13:31AM -0700, Robert Palais wrote: > The pi problem turns > something which should be natural into memorization for many students, > and Unicode could allow an alternative to eventually correct it. Unicode is generally not the place for evangalism. "[T]he Unicode Sta

The benefit of a symbol for 2 pi

2002-01-16 Thread Robert Palais
Greetings, Dr. Nelson Beebe of TUG suggested I contact the unicode discussion forums regarding the need to clarify mathematical and physical notation with a symbol for 2*\pi. This was pointed out in my paper in The Mathematical Intelligencer v. 23, vol.3 2001 pp. 7-8 Springer-NY which may be vi

Re: Tengwar added to Plane1 Unicode Demo Page

2002-01-16 Thread Lars Marius Garshol
* Tex Texin | | Opera displays two of the entries on this UTF-8-based page ok, but not | the Tengwar or Deseret: | | http://www.geocities.com/i18nguy/unicode-plane1-utf8.html Just for the record: Opera 6.0 had this problem because of a bad bitmask in the UTF-8 decoder that made it produce bad

Re: Off topic: Whut in tarnation is Unicode?

2002-01-16 Thread Mark Davis
It's in the trusty mail archive: http://www.unicode.org/mail-arch/ Search for subject = tarnation Mark - Original Message - From: "Yves Arrouye" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Unicode" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 21:57 Subject: RE: Off topic: Whut in tarnation is Unico

Re: Re: Hindi characters for transcribing the sound "e"

2002-01-16 Thread Dhrubajyoti Banerjee
On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 Aman Chawla wrote : >This is the kind of thing I am looking for: a 'special composite matra' to >write a new sound in Hindi, imported from English. Mark Davis suggests >that: "I just checked with the ICU online demo at >http://oss.software.ibm.com/cgi-bin/icu/t- >r, and "