Please help: Unicode sig in Hotmail

2002-04-12 Thread Shlomi Tal
I've built a UTF-8 sig for my outgoing messages: |--| | a BOY ♂ ...| | a GIRL ♀ ... | | they MEET ♂♀ ... | | HERE WE GO! | | ♂♥♀| |--| with Unicode symbols from the U+26xx block. However, it doesn't show up at all:

Re: UTF-7 signature

2002-04-12 Thread David Hopwood
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Doug Ewell wrote: Markus Scherer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In UTF-7, byte sequences overlap and many bytes in the encoding (2 out of 8 I think) contain pieces of two adjacent code units. This is more like in Huffman codes. This is one reason why I'm a

Re: Concerning proposals

2002-04-12 Thread Robert
Hello, Unicoders! When you make a given font within whence will be characters that've not been yet encoded into Unicode that you'd like to propose, you'd need to reside those proposed characters into the Private Use Zone subarea (U+E000-U+EFFF, U+F100-U+F8FF) of your given TrueType/EPS Type 1

Re: Concerning proposals

2002-04-12 Thread Michael Everson
At 21:40 -0400 2002-04-11, 11-Digit Boy wrote: This is a barrier erected for three reasons: 1. If a proposed character can't pass the font test -- i.e., nobody can come up with a usable font that contains it -- then it may be of rather marginal usefulness, since apparently people

RE: MS/Unix BOM FAQ again (small fix)

2002-04-12 Thread Lars Kristan
George W Gerrity wrote: _All_ of these accessing methods are either bit-serial or byte-serial, transmitting the most significant bit of the most significant byte first, and the little/big-endian storage in the RAM receiving buffers is done correctly by the target machine. As for bits,

Re: Please help: Unicode sig in Hotmail

2002-04-12 Thread jshin
On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Shlomi Tal wrote: I've built a UTF-8 sig for my outgoing messages: |--| | a BOY ♂ ...| | a GIRL ♀ ... | | they MEET ♂♀ ... | | HERE WE GO! | | ♂♥♀| |--| with Unicode symbols from the

Re: Please help: Unicode sig in Hotmail

2002-04-12 Thread Otto Stolz
Shlomi Tal wrote: I've built a UTF-8 sig for my outgoing messages: |--| | a BOY ♂ ...| | a GIRL ♀ ... | | they MEET ♂♀ ... | | HERE WE GO! | | ♂♥♀| |--| In which the right edges of the box do not align. Note

Re: Concerning proposals

2002-04-12 Thread John H. Jenkins
On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 11:48 PM, Robert wrote: When you make a given font within whence will be characters that've not been yet encoded into Unicode that you'd like to propose, you'd need to reside those proposed characters into the Private Use Zone subarea (U+E000-U+EFFF,

Re: Concerning proposals

2002-04-12 Thread John H. Jenkins
On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 07:40 PM, $B$m!;!;!;!;(B $B$m!;!;!;(B wrote: Hmmm... Printed??? Ogham and Gothic come to mind. Ogham and Gothic are in Unicode because people currently want to use them and do. There are Ogham and Gothic TrueType fonts that pre-date their inclusion in

Re: Please help: Unicode sig in Hotmail

2002-04-12 Thread Doug Ewell
Shlomi Tal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've built a UTF-8 sig for my outgoing messages: [private response deleted] BTW, relevant to the use of Unicode in e-mail: In my recent messages where I tried to illustrate the UTF-7 BOM, I sneakily inserted a no-break space (U+00A0) in the first line of

Re: Please help: Unicode sig in Hotmail

2002-04-12 Thread David Starner
On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 08:20:52AM -0700, Doug Ewell wrote: I noticed that at least one response which quoted my München example did not do the same, so when viewing the HTML-ized mail archives, IE 5.5 quite reasonably displayed the whole message in UTF-7, concealing the example. I wouldn't

Re: Please help: Unicode sig in Hotmail

2002-04-12 Thread Stefan Persson
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Shlomi Tal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: den 12 april 2002 14:58 Subject: Re: Please help: Unicode sig in Hotmail Hotmail and most other webmail services used to have a lot of things to be desired in terms of I18N and

Re: Please help: Unicode sig in Hotmail

2002-04-12 Thread Ben Monroe
From: "Shlomi Tal" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've built a UTF-8 sig for my outgoing messages: with Unicode symbols from the U+26xx block. However, it doesn't show up at all: neither in Compose, nor when I send a message to myself, nor when I send a message to someone else. Please tell me how I

Re: Unicode Myths

2002-04-12 Thread Mark Davis
You raise a couple of issues in your mail, one having to do with terminology and the other having to do with the disposition of surrogates. A. Terminology. The term noncharacter is jargon that refers to a small set of code points (66 in fact, see http://www.macchiato.com/unicode/statistics.htm;

Re: MS/Unix BOM FAQ again (small fix)

2002-04-12 Thread Markus Scherer
George W Gerrity wrote: To expand on this, imagine there is a text file in some encoding on some medium created by a little-endian machine (say a DEC Vax or a Macintosh 68000), and it is to be accessed on a big-endian machine (any Intel 8080 -- Pentium architecture). Unless the two CPUs

Re: Please help: Unicode sig in Hotmail

2002-04-12 Thread Tom Gewecke
Hotmail and Yahoo do *not* support UTF-8 in any way. Nonetheless, [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s sig appears fine on Mac OS X Mail.

Re: MS/Unix BOM FAQ again (small fix)

2002-04-12 Thread Andy Heninger
Just to set the historical record straight, Little Endian Machines include DEC VAX (and PDP-11 before it) Intel x86 (and 8080 before it) Big Endian Machines include Macintosh, both 68000 and PowerPC -- Andy Heninger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To expand on this, imagine there is

RE: Unicode Myths

2002-04-12 Thread Rick Cameron
Mark Davis wrote: The surrogate and noncharacter code points are permanently reserved, and can't ever--now or in the future--have code points assigned to them, whereas the unassigned can have code points assigned to them in the future. Huh? The code points can't have code points assigned to

Endian Checker [Was: Re: MS/Unix BOM FAQ again (small fix))

2002-04-12 Thread Dan Kogai
On Friday, April 12, 2002, at 10:38 , George W Gerrity wrote: To expand on this, imagine there is a text file in some encoding on some medium created by a little-endian machine (say a DEC Vax or a Macintosh 68000), and it is to be accessed on a big-endian machine (any Intel 8080 -- Pentium

Re: Unicode Myths

2002-04-12 Thread Mark Davis
That's what I get for typing quickly. Should be: The surrogate and noncharacter code points are permanently reserved, and can't ever--now or in the future--have *characters* assigned to them, whereas the unassigned can have *characters* assigned to them in the future. — Γνῶθι σαυτόν — Θαλῆς

Re: Please help: Unicode sig in Hotmail

2002-04-12 Thread jshin
On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Stefan Persson wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hotmail and most other webmail services used to have a lot of things to be desired in terms of I18N and MIME standard compliance. However, recently they got much better and I'm almost sure there's a way to

Re: Please help: Unicode sig in Hotmail

2002-04-12 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
No idea what everyone is complaining about. I just did the following: 1) Copied the text of http://www.trigeminal.com/samples/provincial.html to the clipboard. 2) Pasted it into notepad so I could get plain text without the embedded fonts. 3) Created a hotmail message (using UTF-8 ncoding,

NTT DoCoMo i-Mode graphic characters contact?

2002-04-12 Thread Deborah Goldsmith
Apple is investigating whether and how to propose the encoding in Unicode of the graphic characters used on i-Mode phones in Japan. In doing so it would be very helpful to have a contact at NTT DoCoMo who is involved in the definition of these characters and who might want to participate in a

Re: Please help: Unicode sig in Hotmail

2002-04-12 Thread Stefan Persson
- Original Message - From: Tom Gewecke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: den 12 april 2002 20:02 Subject: Re: Please help: Unicode sig in Hotmail Hotmail and Yahoo do *not* support UTF-8 in any way. Nonetheless, [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s sig appears fine on Mac OS X Mail. It

Re: Please help: Unicode sig in Hotmail

2002-04-12 Thread jshin
On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Michael (michka) Kaplan wrote: No idea what everyone is complaining about. I just did the following: I had NO problems seeing the full text of the email in any of the above Nor did I have any problem with the original message (untagged UTF-8 message) sent from

Re: Please help: Unicode sig in Hotmail

2002-04-12 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You completely missed the point. Your experiment didn't add any new information about Hotmail's UTF-8 support. Well, I suppose one can just use the OE support, then? :-) It's almost nothing to do with Hotmail. In this case, it's just OE that does the job well.