Re: Emoji (was: Re: Preparing a proposal for encoding a portable interpretable object code into Unicode)

2010-06-05 Thread William_J_G Overington
Thank you for your reply. On Friday 4 June 2010, Michael Everson ever...@evertype.com wrote: ... who do you think needs to know this kind of detail? Not a one of us, I am sure, cares about the number of pixels in the Wikipedia graphic. Well, actually I mentioned the number of pixels for

Re: Hexadecimal digits

2010-06-05 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Friday 4 June 2010, Mark Davis ☕ m...@macchiato.com wrote: You (or William Overington, for example) are free to define a range within that area for your specific use. Well, as it happens I did make some Private Use Area allocations for hexadecimal digits back in 2002.

Re: Overloading Unicode

2010-06-05 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Friday 4 June 2010, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: William Overington wrote: [I]f the idea of the portable interpretable object code gathers support, then maybe the defined scope of the standards will become extended. Well, yes. Later in the same post Doug wrote. The

Re: Hexadecimal digits

2010-06-05 Thread Otto Stolz
Am 2010-06-05 00:04, schrieb Luke-Jr: Base 16 is superior in many various ways, the most obvious being easier division (both visibly and numeric). This is a red herring, IMHO. In the decimal systems, you can easier divide by 2, 5, and powers of 10, whilst in the hexadekadic system, you can

Re: Hexadecimal digits

2010-06-05 Thread Michael Everson
On 5 Jun 2010, at 16:33, Otto Stolz wrote: You may wonder, why I am using the term “hexadekadic”. This is because, “hexadeka” is the Greek word for 16, whilst the Latin word ist “sedecim”; there is no language known that has “hexadecim”, or anything alike, for 16. You may wish to compare

Re: Hexadecimal digits

2010-06-05 Thread Luke-Jr
On Saturday 05 June 2010 09:33:03 am Otto Stolz wrote: In the decimal systems, you can easier divide by 2, 5, and powers of 10, whilst in the hexadekadic system, you can easier divide by many powers of two, and all powers of 16. And 4, and 8. Many repeating fractions also become more accurate

base-9 digits

2010-06-05 Thread Peter Constable
Can we please encode new characters for base-9 digits 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8? Peter

RE: Hexadecimal digits

2010-06-05 Thread Peter Constable
This is a bad idea. The best way to make it go away is to just stop discussing it. Peter

Re: base-9 digits

2010-06-05 Thread Michael Everson
On 5 Jun 2010, at 17:44, Peter Constable wrote: Can we please encode new characters for base-9 digits “0”, “1”, “2”, “3”, “4”, “5”, “6”, “7”, “8”? OK, Peter. I'll get on to that in advance of the April meeting. Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/

Re: Hexadecimal digits

2010-06-05 Thread Hans Aberg
On 5 Jun 2010, at 16:33, Otto Stolz wrote: You may wonder, why I am using the term “hexadekadic”. This is because, “hexadeka” is the Greek word for 16, ... The URL http://translate.google.com/#en|el|sixteen produces δεκαέξι, or dekaexi. Hans

Re: Hexadecimal digits

2010-06-05 Thread Doug Ewell
Luke-Jr luke at dashjr dot org wrote: Why not allow proposals of this nature a draft status, and require popular use before allowing it to become standard or permanent? What would be the effect of encoding characters as draft? Would they be allocated space in the Unicode charts, described

Re: Overloading Unicode

2010-06-05 Thread Doug Ewell
SS sisrivas at blueyonder dot co dot uk wrote: To the point, There are usage samples, there were/are publications/magazines even run by the then leader of the current chief minister of Tamil Nadu state. There are usage samples. Widespread!, this will be done eventually as with other

Re: Least used parts of BMP.

2010-06-05 Thread Doug Ewell
Philippe Verdy verdy underscore p at wanadoo dot fr wrote: Of course, he will not have other UTF-8-like features, such as avoidance of ASCII values in the final trail byte, and fast forward parsing by looking at the first byte. The fast forward feature is certianly not decisive, but the

Re: Hexadecimal digits

2010-06-05 Thread William J Poser
a letter to The Times from someone who, seriously, felt that it would also be a good time to switch to teaching duodecimal arithmetic in the schools. Many years ago, when I took Number Theory from the late, wonderful N. James Schoonmaker, he spent some time advocating the virtues of duodecimal

Octal

2010-06-05 Thread Jonathan Rosenne
When I started using computers we used octal, so I suggest new characters for the octal digits 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. BTW, octal has all the benefits claimed for hexadecimal with the advantage that it is much simpler. Jony From: unicode-bou...@unicode.org

Re: Hexadecimal digits

2010-06-05 Thread Luke-Jr
On Saturday 05 June 2010 11:26:27 am Doug Ewell wrote: Luke-Jr luke at dashjr dot org wrote: Why not allow proposals of this nature a draft status, and require popular use before allowing it to become standard or permanent? What would be the effect of encoding characters as draft? Would

Re: Hexadecimal digits

2010-06-05 Thread Doug Ewell
Luke-Jr luke at dashjr dot org wrote: Draft characters would be ones which are not final and can be removed or replaced in the future, if they don't in the meantime gain popularity within some reasonable timeframe. There is no precedent for this in either Unicode or ISO/IEC 10646. If you

Re: Hexadecimal digits

2010-06-05 Thread Rick McGowan
On 6/5/2010 10:42 AM, Doug Ewell wrote, responding to Luke-jr: Draft characters would be ones which are not final and can be removed or replaced in the future, if they don't in the meantime gain popularity within some reasonable timeframe. There is no precedent for this in either Unicode or

Re: Hexadecimal digits

2010-06-05 Thread Luke-Jr
On Saturday 05 June 2010 12:59:34 pm Rick McGowan wrote: On 6/5/2010 10:42 AM, Doug Ewell wrote, responding to Luke-jr: Draft characters would be ones which are not final and can be removed or replaced in the future, if they don't in the meantime gain popularity within some reasonable

Re: Hexadecimal digits

2010-06-05 Thread Doug Ewell
And the alternative is data in the wild that never had a chance to be conformant because the standard makes them impossible. Use the PUA. That's what it's for. Done. -- Doug Ewell | Thornton, Colorado, USA | http://www.ewellic.org RFC 5645, 4645, UTN #14 | ietf-languages @

Cake Wrecks: My Thai Font

2010-06-05 Thread Deborah Goldsmith
http://www.cakewrecks.com/2010/06/my-thai-font.html It’s not often you get computers and wedding cakes in the same post… Debbie

Re: Cake Wrecks: My Thai Font

2010-06-05 Thread Leo Broukhis
They got what they deserved for not using Unicode. The mojibake is Congratulations in Thai in TIS-620 interpreted as ISO-8859-1. Leo On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Deborah Goldsmith golds...@apple.com wrote: http://www.cakewrecks.com/2010/06/my-thai-font.html It’s not often you get computers

Re: Cake Wrecks: My Thai Font

2010-06-05 Thread Leo Broukhis
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Leo Broukhis l...@mailcom.com wrote: They got what they deserved for not using Unicode. The mojibake is Congratulations in Thai in TIS-620 interpreted as ISO-8859-1. Or rather Good luck, according to Google translate. Leo On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 11:33 AM,

Re: Overloading Unicode

2010-06-05 Thread Doug Ewell
I wrote: The common thread is for some folks to regard the Unicode Standard as a vehicle for advancing their own personal agenda -- promoting script reform, extending the understood meaning of plain text, or changing the way people count. Replace extending the understood meaning of 'plain

Tibetan question

2010-06-05 Thread Αλέξανδρος Διαμαντίδης
Hello, I don't know Tibetan, but I'd like to add the Tibetan edition of Tintin in Tibet to the Grand Comics Database (http://www.comics.org/). Can someone please help a bit? First of all, there's an article about the book, including a hi-res scan of the cover, in the Tibetan Wikipedia:

Re: Overloading Unicode

2010-06-05 Thread Doug Ewell
I wrote: It is not discrimination, fair or unfair, if you submit a proposal for something that is not generally accepted to be in scope for the Standard, and the proposal is rejected on those grounds. Well, of course, it would be fair discrimination. -- Doug Ewell | Thornton, Colorado,

Re: Overloading Unicode

2010-06-05 Thread Doug Ewell
SS sisrivas at blueyonder dot co dot uk wrote: There will need to be explanations for a scalable plan. However, yes it is in use today, though not by the majority (yet). ie, u and uu matras legation is in contemporary (majority) use. Non legated u and uu are also in use, but by minority at

Re: Cake Wrecks: My Thai Font

2010-06-05 Thread Deborah Goldsmith
If you’re amazed by that, you probably don’t read Cake Wrecks regularly. ;-) Debbie On Jun 5, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Clark S. Cox III wrote: On Jun 5, 2010, at 11:33 AM, Deborah Goldsmith wrote: http://www.cakewrecks.com/2010/06/my-thai-font.html It’s not often you get computers and

Re: Hexadecimal digits

2010-06-05 Thread Mark E. Shoulson
On 06/05/2010 11:29 AM, Luke-Jr wrote: On Saturday 05 June 2010 09:33:03 am Otto Stolz wrote: In the decimal systems, you can easier divide by 2, 5, and powers of 10, whilst in the hexadekadic system, you can easier divide by many powers of two, and all powers of 16. And 4, and 8. Many

Re: Overloading Unicode

2010-06-05 Thread Mark E. Shoulson
On 06/05/2010 07:18 PM, Doug Ewell wrote: William_J_G Overington wjgo underscore 10009 at btinternet dot com wrote: I feel that the encoding of a portable interpretable object code into Unicode could be an infrastructural step forward towards great possibilities for the future. And I think