RE: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-21 Thread Peter Constable
20AF DRACHMA SIGN is our friend. Peter -Original Message- From: unicode-bou...@unicode.org [mailto:unicode-bou...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Andreas Prilop Sent: May-19-12 8:42 AM To: unicode@unicode.org Subject: Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign On Tue, 15 May 2012,

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-21 Thread Shriramana Sharma
On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 9:12 PM, Andreas Prilop prilop4...@trashmail.net wrote: Will it also include U+20BB NEW DRACHMA SIGN ? I'm sorry but I don't see a proposal for U+20BB NEW DRACHMA SIGN in the register. Did I miss anything? -- Shriramana Sharma

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-21 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2012-05-21 20:26, Shriramana Sharma wrote: On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 9:12 PM, Andreas Prilop prilop4...@trashmail.net wrote: Will it also include U+20BB NEW DRACHMA SIGN ? I'm sorry but I don't see a proposal for U+20BB NEW DRACHMA SIGN in the register. Did I miss anything? I think you (and

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-21 Thread Charlie Ruland
Maybe you missed rumors about Greek being kicked out out the euro zone soon, and thus being forced to introduce a new currency (or to reintroduce the drachma, whatever that means). To be sure there won't be a proposal for a new drachma sign before the Greek authorites have made a definite

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-21 Thread Charlie Ruland
That should have been rumors about /Greece/ being kicked out /of/ the euro zone of course. * Charlie Ruland rul...@luckymail.com [2012-05-21 20:24]: Maybe you missed rumors about Greek being kicked out out the euro zone soon, and thus being forced to introduce a new currency (or to

RE: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-21 Thread Peter Constable
From: unicode-bou...@unicode.org [mailto:unicode-bou...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Jukka K. Korpela I think you (and Peter) missed a joke I can't speak for Sharma, but as for me... they will hardly want to use the old drachma sign (₯, U+20AF)—it’s very old-fashioned and not in line with

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-21 Thread Andreas Stötzner
Am 21.05.2012 um 22:48 schrieb Peter Constable: they will hardly want to use the old drachma sign (₯, U+20AF)—it’s very old-fashioned and not in line with currency symbols in general. Well, it's available and not being used for anything else. And it's probably even well supported

U+02D0 and U+01C3

2012-05-21 Thread Chigurupati, Nagesh
Hello Unicode Folks, U+01C3 looks like an 'Exclamation Mark' and it is categorized as 'Letter Other'. U+02D0 looks like two inverted triangles and it is categorized as 'Letter Modifier'. These code points being categorized as they are would not prevent them in an IDN. However, similar

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-21 Thread Michael Everson
It is very unlikely that the standards bodies will let the Greek National Body add a different Drachma sign to the standard. They never used the one they have. I am the person who wrote the proposal to encode the current character on behalf of the Greek NB, and their original draft used a

CaseFirst and CaseLevel Tailorings of UCA and LDML

2012-05-21 Thread Richard Wordingham
What are the definitions of upper and lower case for the caseFirst tailoring for the UCA and for LDML? I can't find any obvious definition. My suspicion is that they are defined by assignment of the DUCET tertiary weights, UTS#10 Issue 23 (Version 6.1.0) Section 7.2. Although these largely

RE: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-21 Thread Peter Constable
There may or may not have been elements of propaganda involved. And the design may or may not be poor. None of that changes the reality that the symbol in question _has_ started to be used in commerce, that government agencies are starting to expect ICTs to support the symbol, and hence that

Re: U+02D0 and U+01C3

2012-05-21 Thread vanisaac
From: Chigurupati, Nagesh nchigurupati_at_verisign.com Hello Unicode Folks, U+01C3 looks like an 'Exclamation Mark' and it is categorized as 'Letter Other'. U+02D0 looks like two inverted triangles and it is categorized as 'Letter Modifier'. These code points being categorized as

Re: CaseFirst and CaseLevel Tailorings of UCA and LDML

2012-05-21 Thread Markus Scherer
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Richard Wordingham richard.wording...@ntlworld.com wrote: What are the definitions of upper and lower case for the caseFirst tailoring for the UCA and for LDML? I can't find any obvious definition. I am having trouble finding a published definition too. I

RE: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-21 Thread Michael Everson
There may or may not have been elements of propaganda involved. And the design may or may not be poor. None of that changes the reality that the symbol in question _has_ started to be used in commerce, That's not true. The character ELOT asked to be encoded was never used. Or not for

Re: CaseFirst and CaseLevel Tailorings of UCA and LDML

2012-05-21 Thread Ken Whistler
On 5/21/2012 4:37 PM, Richard Wordingham wrote: Again, even the interpretation of uppercase in terms of weights is not certain, for the ISO/IEC 14651:2007 example of a tailoring for uppercase first does not adjust the collation elements with a tertiary weight of 1C, although they are listed as

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-21 Thread Doug Ewell
I think Peter was talking about the Turkish lira sign, not the Greek drachma sign. -- Doug Ewell | Thornton, Colorado, USA http://www.ewellic.org | @DougEwell ­ From: Michael Everson Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 18:14 To: Andreas Stötzner ; unicode Unicode Discussion Subject: RE: Unicode 6.2

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-21 Thread Shriramana Sharma
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 5:08 AM, Peter Constable peter...@microsoft.com wrote: None of that changes the reality that the symbol in question _has_ started to be used in commerce, that government agencies are starting to expect ICTs to support the symbol, and hence that implementers are for

Re: CaseFirst and CaseLevel Tailorings of UCA and LDML

2012-05-21 Thread Richard Wordingham
On Mon, 21 May 2012 17:43:27 -0700 Ken Whistler k...@sybase.com wrote: For example, when caseFirst is set to uppercase, ICU orders U+1D34 MODIFIER LETTER CAPITAL H before U+0068 LATIN SMALL LETTER H, but anomalously order U+A7F8 MODIFIER LETTER CAPITAL H WITH STROKE*after* U+0127 LATIN

Re: Compliant Tailoring of Normalisation for the Unicode Collation Algorithm

2012-05-21 Thread Richard Wordingham
On Sat, 19 May 2012 01:12:17 +0100 Richard Wordingham richard.wording...@ntlworld.com wrote: This will then work for DUCET 6.1.0, work for Danish, and work for my mischievous 0302 COMBINING CIRCUMFLEX ACCENT+0067 LATIN SMALL LETTER G contraction. There is a very similar rule in CLDR for

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-21 Thread Asmus Freytag
Before this discussion deep ends. There is an early precedent, going back to the Euro sign, of Unicode adding a new character instead of repurposing any existing character that may seem to be unused. The principle there is, that until a particular currency gets actually created (or a