Re: Origin of Ellipsis and double spacing after a sentence.

2013-09-15 Thread Michael Everson
On 15 Sep 2013, at 02:32, Asmus Freytag asm...@ix.netcom.com wrote: On 9/14/2013 12:19 PM, Michael Everson wrote: And as a book designer and publisher, I think that having large spaces after a full stop is both unnecessary and vulgar. Quote from the blog: This does not change my view.

Re: Origin of Ellipsis and double spacing after a sentence.

2013-09-15 Thread Stephan Stiller
On 9/14/2013 6:24 AM, Michael Everson wrote: It facilitates comment by those who are reviewing the text. If you add proofreaders' marks to an especially difficult manuscript, maybe. I've barely seen annotated papers with comments that would not have fit into the margins, and there's still the

Re: Origin of Ellipsis (was: RE: Empty set)

2013-09-15 Thread Andre Schappo
On 13 Sep 2013, at 20:02, Whistler, Ken wrote: The *interesting* question, in my opinion, is why folks feel impelled to use U+2026 to render a baseline ellipsis in Latin typography at all, rather than just using U+002E ad libitum... --Ken U+2026 is useful for microblogs when one is looking to

Re: Origin of Ellipsis (was: RE: Empty set)

2013-09-15 Thread Philippe Verdy
Do you mean saving two characters for posting to Tweeter ? Well may be, but Tweeter clearly does not promote correct typography and not even correct orthography. It is clearly not a good model for publishing. But given the history of this character, I just wonder why it was not mapped along with

Re: Origin of Ellipsis (was: RE: Empty set)

2013-09-15 Thread Doug Ewell
Andre Schappo wrote: U+2026 is useful for microblogs when one is looking to save characters Not if the microblog is in UTF-8, as almost all are. -- Doug Ewell | Thornton, CO, USA http://ewellic.org | @DougEwell ­

Re: Origin of Ellipsis

2013-09-15 Thread Stephan Stiller
On 9/15/2013 1:04 PM, Doug Ewell wrote: André Schappo wrote: U+2026 is useful for microblogs when one is looking to save characters Not if the microblog is in UTF-8, as almost all are. That's an astute observation, but André was talking about input limits

Re: Origin of Ellipsis (was: RE: Empty set)

2013-09-15 Thread Phillips, Addison
Not if the limit is counted in characters and not in bytes. Twitter, for example, counts code points in the NFC representation of a tweet. Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: Andre Schappo wrote: U+2026 is useful for microblogs when one is looking to save characters Not if the microblog is in

Re: Origin of Ellipsis (was: RE: Empty set)

2013-09-15 Thread Stephan Stiller
On 9/15/2013 3:07 PM, Phillips, Addison wrote: Not if the limit is counted in characters and not in bytes. Twitter, for example, counts code points in the NFC representation of a tweet. character, code point – these are confusing words :-) From the link it isn't entirely clear whether they (a)

Re: Origin of Ellipsis (was: RE: Empty set)

2013-09-15 Thread Phillips, Addison
Actually, that's my bad: I meant to type scalar value. Stephan Stiller stephan.stil...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/15/2013 3:07 PM, Phillips, Addison wrote: Not if the limit is counted in characters and not in bytes. Twitter, for example, counts code points in the NFC representation of a tweet.

Re: Origin of Ellipsis (was: RE: Empty set)

2013-09-15 Thread Doug Ewell
Addison Phillips wrote: Not if the limit is counted in characters and not in bytes. Twitter, for example, counts code points in the NFC representation of a tweet. You're right. I take that back, about Twitter at least. Stephan Stiller wrote: From the link it isn't entirely clear whether

Re: Origin of Ellipsis (was: RE: Empty set)

2013-09-15 Thread Ilya Zakharevich
On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 09:21:47PM +0200, Philippe Verdy wrote: If there's something to do now (given it is no longer used in CJK contexts), it's to strongly recommand that fonts map them to exactly the same glyph as the one obtained by aligning three periods in a raw without any additional

Re: Origin of Ellipsis (was: RE: Empty set)

2013-09-15 Thread Stephan Stiller
Stephan Stiller wrote: From the link it isn't entirely clear whether they (a) count scalar values of NFC or (b) count code points of NFC. Are they not the same thing, except for surrogates? Conceptually no, but numerically yes – you are right in that regard, and I wasn't precise in my

Re: Origin of Ellipsis (was: RE: Empty set)

2013-09-15 Thread Stephan Stiller
Doug wrote me: You're not confusing code point with code unit, are you? Thanks for the note. I think what you say is that I thought (or meant to write) by first representing the sequence of scalar values in an encoding form and then counting [code points typecast from] code _units_. I think