Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp

2015-03-29 Thread Michael Everson
Johnny, I’m interested in working with you and Sami on this. These two characters are often referred to as quarter sharp and quarter flat as well. The symbols are also widely used outside Arabic music. The western classical tradition from the 20th century on is full of them. They're not

Re: Meroitic cursive fractions numerical values

2015-03-29 Thread Andrew West
On 28 March 2015 at 20:05, Karl Williamson pub...@khwilliamson.com wrote: Existing software that looks at the numeric values of characters is written expecting that rational numbers will have been reduced to their lowest form. That seems to be a rather rash statement. I have software

Re: Meroitic cursive fractions numerical values

2015-03-29 Thread Philippe Verdy
How would you note the numeric value property of the mathematical pi symbol, if you use 0.5, assuming that it should be written as a single decimal value without using any operator ? You can't because there's an infinite number of decimals, unless you explciitly says that the numeric property is

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp

2015-03-29 Thread Garth Wallace
Wouldn't it be easier just to change the example glyphs for U+1D132 MUSICAL SYMBOL QUARTER TONE SHARP and U+1D133 MUSICAL SYMBOL QUARTER TONE FLAT? The ones currently in the charts do not appear to be in common use. The most common symbol for the quarter tone flat, from what I've gathered, is a

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp

2015-03-29 Thread Julian Bradfield
On 2015-03-29, Johnny Farraj johnnyfar...@yahoo.com wrote: Michael, Thanks for the swift response, and your interest. Your collaboration is greatly appreciated. Do you have any experience in submitting new Unicode character proposals? And/or with creating the reference copy of a symbol in

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp

2015-03-29 Thread Michael Everson
On 29 Mar 2015, at 19:53, Johnny Farraj johnnyfar...@yahoo.com wrote: Michael, Thanks for the swift response, and your interest. Your collaboration is greatly appreciated. My pleasure. Do you have any experience in submitting new Unicode character proposals? And/or with creating the

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp

2015-03-29 Thread Garth Wallace
Right, I was just pointing out that Turkish music is a potential complication if changing the glyph for MUSICAL SYMBOL QUARTER TONE FLAT. Here's how I understand it: Arabic music - uses the flat-with-stroke exclusively as a quarter tone flat Western quarter tone music - uses the reversed flat and

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp

2015-03-29 Thread Michael Everson
On 29 Mar 2015, at 22:02, Garth Wallace gwa...@gmail.com wrote: Wouldn't it be easier just to change the example glyphs for U+1D132 MUSICAL SYMBOL QUARTER TONE SHARP and U+1D133 MUSICAL SYMBOL QUARTER TONE FLAT? The ones currently in the charts do not appear to be in common use. It would be

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp

2015-03-29 Thread Michael Everson
On 29 Mar 2015, at 22:41, sami shumays abushum...@hotmail.com wrote: Just one comment: the reversed flat is not commonly used in Arabic notation, But is it used? it is primarily a Turkish symbol. The symbols Johnny is proposing are important so that we can have easy access to the symbols

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp

2015-03-29 Thread Michael Everson
On 29 Mar 2015, at 23:29, Garth Wallace gwa...@gmail.com wrote: Right, I was just pointing out that Turkish music is a potential complication if changing the glyph for MUSICAL SYMBOL QUARTER TONE FLAT. Here's how I understand it: Arabic music - uses the flat-with-stroke exclusively as a

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp

2015-03-29 Thread Werner LEMBERG
That’s quite some variety. There are also the three-quarter flat and sharp in Western music to consider. I’ll be able to dig into this after I get back to Ireland from Sweden on Friday. You should check the Standard Music Font Layout (SmuFL) for details; it also has a freely available font

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp

2015-03-29 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 3/29/2015 2:39 PM, Michael Everson wrote: On 29 Mar 2015, at 22:02, Garth Wallace gwa...@gmail.com wrote: Wouldn't it be easier just to change the example glyphs for U+1D132 MUSICAL SYMBOL QUARTER TONE SHARP and U+1D133 MUSICAL SYMBOL QUARTER TONE FLAT? The ones currently in the charts do

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp

2015-03-29 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
It would be worth to bring the collection of music symbols up to a more comprehensive set in one go, rather than to do it piecemeal. A./ On 3/29/2015 3:07 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: That’s quite some variety. There are also the three-quarter flat and sharp in Western music to consider. I’ll

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp

2015-03-29 Thread Michael Everson
On 30 Mar 2015, at 00:49, Asmus Freytag (t) asmus-...@ix.netcom.com wrote: It would be worth to bring the collection of music symbols up to a more comprehensive set in one go, rather than to do it piecemeal. Yup. Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp

2015-03-29 Thread Mark E. Shoulson
On 03/29/2015 06:51 PM, Michael Everson wrote: On 30 Mar 2015, at 00:49, Asmus Freytag (t) asmus-...@ix.netcom.com wrote: It would be worth to bring the collection of music symbols up to a more comprehensive set in one go, rather than to do it piecemeal. Yup. Just read through (most of)

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp

2015-03-29 Thread Hans Aberg
On 30 Mar 2015, at 00:07, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: You should check the Standard Music Font Layout (SmuFL) for details; it also has a freely available font that covers it. http://www.smufl.org The recent version of the specification can be found at

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp

2015-03-29 Thread Hans Aberg
On 29 Mar 2015, at 22:02, Garth Wallace gwa...@gmail.com wrote: The most common symbol for the quarter tone flat, from what I've gathered, is a reversed flat sign. Some composers use the flat with stroke. One potential complication: AIUI the Arel-Ezgi-Uzdilek system for notating Turkish