Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-12 Thread James Kass via Unicode
Mark E. Shoulson wrote, > This discussion has been very interesting, really.  I've heard what I > thought were very good points and relevant arguments from both/all > sides, and I confess to not being sure which I actually prefer. It's subjective, really.  It depends on how one views

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-12 Thread James Kass via Unicode
On 2019-01-12 4:26 PM, wjgo_10...@btinternet.com wrote: I have now made, tested and published a font, VS14 Maquette, that uses VS14 to indicate italic. https://forum.high-logic.com/viewtopic.php?f=10=7831=37561#p37561 The italics don't happen in Notepad, but VS14 Maquette works spendidly

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-12 Thread Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode
Just to add some more fuel for this fire, I note also the highly popular (in some places) technique of using Unicode letters that may have nothing whatsoever to do with the symbol or letter you mean to represent, apart from coincidental resemblance and looking "cool" enough.  This happens a

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-12 Thread James Kass via Unicode
Asmus Freytag wrote, > ...What this teaches you is that italicizing (or boldfacing) > text is fundamentally related to picking out parts of your > text in a different font. Typically from the same typeface, though. > So those screen readers got it right, except that they could > have used

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-12 Thread Marcel Schneider via Unicode
On 12/01/2019 00:17, James Kass via Unicode wrote: […] The fact that the math alphanumerics are incomplete may have been part of what prompted Marcel Schneider to start this thread. No, really not at all. I didn’t even dream of having italics in Unicode working out of the box. That would

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-12 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/12/2019 5:22 AM, Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: On Sat, 12 Jan 2019 10:57:26 + (GMT) Julian Bradfield via Unicode wrote: It's also fundamentally misguided. When I _italicize_ a word, I am writing a word composed of (plain old)

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-12 Thread wjgo_10...@btinternet.com via Unicode
James Kass wrote: For the V.S. option there should be a provision for consistency and open-endedness to keep it simple. Start with VS14 and work backwards for italic, … I have now made, tested and published a font, VS14 Maquette, that uses VS14 to indicate italic.

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-12 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Sat, 12 Jan 2019 14:21:19 + James Kass via Unicode wrote: > FWIW, the math formula: > a + b # 푏 + 푎 > ... becomes invalid if normalized NFKD/NFKC.  (Or if copy/pasted from > an HTML page using marked-up ASCII into a plain-text editor.) (a) Italic versus plain is not significant in the

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-12 Thread James Kass via Unicode
Reading & writing & 'rithmatick... This is a math formula: a + b = b + a ... where the estimable "mathematician" used Latin letters from ASCII as though they were math alphanumerics variables. This is an italicized word: 푘푎푘푖푠푡표푐푟푎푐푦 ... where the "geek" hacker used Latin italics letters

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-12 Thread James Kass via Unicode
Julian Bradford wrote, * Bradfield, sorry.

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-12 Thread James Kass via Unicode
Julian Bradford wrote, "It does not work with much existing technology. Interspersing extra codepoints into what is otherwise plain text breaks all the existing software that has not been, and never will be updated to deal with arbitrarily complex algorithms required to do Unicode searching.

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-12 Thread Julian Bradfield via Unicode
On 2019-01-11, James Kass via Unicode wrote: > Exactly.  William Overington has already posted a proof-of-concept here: > https://forum.high-logic.com/viewtopic.php?f=10=7831 > ... using a P.U.A. character /in lieu/ of a combining formatting or VS > character.  The concept is straightforward and