Re: [OT] French Government Bans the Term 'E-Mail'

2003-07-22 Thread Marion Gunn
Scríobh "Michael \(michka\) Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >I always assumed the lowercase "i" was either meant to be something similar >to devs but mean something like "information" to normal (i.e., >non-developer) types. Then, like any concept is has to be [over]used >everywhere. Maybe someone from

Re: [OT] French Government Bans the Term 'E-Mail'

2003-07-22 Thread Michael Everson
At 11:41 +0100 2003-07-22, Marion Gunn wrote: I read that 'i' (in the Apple context) as meaning 'i(nternet ready)'. It is possible I could be wrong about that. Am I? Yes, you are. -- ME

Re: [OT] French Government Bans the Term 'E-Mail'

2003-07-22 Thread Doug Ewell
Pim Blokland wrote: >> I'm not sure that even all English users appreciate the computer >> related jargon and acronyms that their geek developers want to >> force them to learn and use. > > Hm... Personally I feel just the opposite. I think the computer > industry has taken too many normal words

Re: [OT] French Government Bans the Term 'E-Mail'

2003-07-21 Thread Chris Jacobs
- Original Message - From: "Philippe Verdy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [OT] French Government Bans the Term 'E-Mail' > On Monday, July 21, 2003 7:16 PM, Jon Hanna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&

Re: [OT] French Government Bans the Term 'E-Mail'

2003-07-21 Thread Marion Gunn
Scríobh "Michael \(michka\) Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >I always assumed the lowercase "i" was either meant to be something similar >to devs but mean something like "information" to normal (i.e., >non-developer) types. Then, like any concept is has to be [over]used >everywhere. Maybe someone from

Re: [OT] French Government Bans the Term 'E-Mail'

2003-07-21 Thread Pim Blokland
Philippe Verdy schreef: > I'm not sure that even all English users appreciate the computer > related jargon and acronyms that their geek developers want to > force them to learn and use. Hm... Personally I feel just the opposite. I think the computer industry has taken too many normal words and f

Re: [OT] French Government Bans the Term 'E-Mail'

2003-07-21 Thread Philippe Verdy
On Monday, July 21, 2003 7:16 PM, Jon Hanna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > eBook, e-mail, eBay, e-money, and all that gunk. > > I suppose we could do without them. Even Apple's > > gone weird about it. I don't know what the "i" in > > the iLifestyle suite (iChat, iPhoto, iBook, > > iThis, iThat) m

RE: [OT] French Government Bans the Term 'E-Mail'

2003-07-21 Thread Jon Hanna
> eBook, e-mail, eBay, e-money, and all that gunk. > I suppose we could do without them. Even Apple's > gone weird about it. I don't know what the "i" in > the iLifestyle suite (iChat, iPhoto, iBook, > iThis, iThat) means. e-jit, iDiot, iMbecile.

Re: [OT] French Government Bans the Term 'E-Mail'

2003-07-21 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
From: "Michael Everson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I don't know what the "i" in > the iLifestyle suite (iChat, iPhoto, iBook, > iThis, iThat) means. For developers, a capital "I" usually means interface -- in code certainly but then often applied in life as only geeks can do. I have fond memories of n

Re: [OT] French Government Bans the Term 'E-Mail'

2003-07-21 Thread Karljürgen Feuerherm
Michael Everson wrote on July 21, 2003 at 12:00 > *All* words must be traced to someone. They do not grow on trees. They do so: in computer data structures , at least! ;-) K

Re: [OT] French Government Bans the Term 'E-Mail'

2003-07-21 Thread Peter Kirk
On 21/07/2003 09:00, Michael Everson wrote: At 10:59 -0400 2003-07-21, Patrick Andries wrote: - Message d'origine - De: "Michael Everson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 19:56 -0400 2003-07-20, Patrick Andries wrote: >Obviously, the AP has found someone to say it is artificial. Of course, al

Re: [OT] French Government Bans the Term 'E-Mail'

2003-07-21 Thread Michael Everson
At 10:59 -0400 2003-07-21, Patrick Andries wrote: - Message d'origine - De: "Michael Everson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 19:56 -0400 2003-07-20, Patrick Andries wrote: >Obviously, the AP has found someone to say it is artificial. Of course, all language is artificial. Well, at least all n

Re: [OT] French Government Bans the Term 'E-Mail'

2003-07-21 Thread Patrick Andries
- Message d'origine - De: "Michael Everson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > At 19:56 -0400 2003-07-20, Patrick Andries wrote: > > >Obviously, the AP has found someone to say it is artificial. > > Of course, all language is artificial. Well, at least all new words that can be traced to someone ca

Re: [OT] French Government Bans the Term 'E-Mail'

2003-07-21 Thread Karljürgen Feuerherm
Philippe Verdy wrote on July 21, 2003 at 1:48 AM > This one decision of the official terminology group is not stupid: it adopts a term that is now spread among French and Canadian natives, Best avoid the phrase 'Canadian natives'. Even though it might theoretically embrace all of us who were born

Re: [OT] French Government Bans the Term 'E-Mail'

2003-07-21 Thread Philippe Verdy
On Monday, July 21, 2003 2:01 AM, Michael Everson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 19:56 -0400 2003-07-20, Patrick Andries wrote: > > > Yahoo's title is obviously overblown ("sexed up" like the BBC says). > > And isn't *that* the meme of the moment. One idiot said it and it > spread like a virus.

Re: [OT] French Government Bans the Term 'E-Mail'

2003-07-20 Thread John Cowan
Patrick Andries scripsit: > Obviously, the AP has found someone to say it is artificial. Actually, a > study made by the Quebec linguist Marie-Éva de Villers(*) shows that > newspapers (like Le Monde) in France as in Québec tend to use more and more > the term now preferred by the French governmen

Re: [OT] French Government Bans the Term 'E-Mail'

2003-07-20 Thread Karljürgen Feuerherm
Philippe Verdy wrote on July 20, 2003 at 6:23 PM >also like the term "courriel" which sounds and writes better with the French orthograph than the imported acronym "e-mail", or "email" (confuzing with the French term "émail" which is the material that covers teeth, or a decoration and protection ma

Re: [OT] French Government Bans the Term 'E-Mail'

2003-07-20 Thread Michael Everson
At 19:56 -0400 2003-07-20, Patrick Andries wrote: Yahoo's title is obviously overblown ("sexed up" like the BBC says). And isn't *that* the meme of the moment. One idiot said it and it spread like a virus. Ick. Obviously, the AP has found someone to say it is artificial. Of course, all language

Re: [OT] French Government Bans the Term 'E-Mail'

2003-07-20 Thread Patrick Andries
- Original Message - From: "Michael Everson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Off-topic, but interesting. This just crossed my desk > http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=518&u=/ap/20030718/ap_on_re_eu/france_out_with__e_mail__3&printer=1 Yahoo's title is obviously overblown ("sexed up

Re: [OT] French Government Bans the Term 'E-Mail'

2003-07-20 Thread Philippe Verdy
On Sunday, July 20, 2003 9:56 PM, Michael Everson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Off-topic, but interesting. This just crossed my desk > http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=518&u=/ap/20030718/ap_on_re_eu/france_out_with__e_mail__3&printer=1 This is not a ban of the technology, just a ban

[OT] French Government Bans the Term 'E-Mail'

2003-07-20 Thread Michael Everson
Off-topic, but interesting. This just crossed my desk http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=518&u=/ap/20030718/ap_on_re_eu/france_out_with__e_mail__3&printer=1 -- Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com