Re: Grapheme clusters and backspace (was Re: Coding for Emoji: how to modify programs to work with emoji)

2019-10-23 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 23:15:57 + Martin J. Dürst via Unicode wrote: > I think this to some extent is a question of "reality in the users' > minds". But to a very large extent, this is an issue of muscle > memory. If a user works with a keyboard/input method that deletes a > whole combination,

Re: Grapheme clusters and backspace (was Re: Coding for Emoji: how to modify programs to work with emoji)

2019-10-22 Thread Martin J . Dürst via Unicode
Hello Richard, others, On 2019/10/23 07:32, Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: > On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 23:27:27 +0200 > Daniel Bünzli via Unicode wrote: >> Just to make things clear. When you say character in your message, >> you consistently mean scalar value right ? > > Yes. > > I find it

Re: Grapheme clusters and backspace (was Re: Coding for Emoji: how to modify programs to work with emoji)

2019-10-22 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 23:27:27 +0200 Daniel Bünzli via Unicode wrote: > Thanks for you answer. > > > The compromise that has generally been reached is that 'delete' > > deletes a grapheme cluster and 'backspace' deletes a scalar value. > > (There are good editors like Emacs that delete only a

Re: Grapheme clusters and backspace (was Re: Coding for Emoji: how to modify programs to work with emoji)

2019-10-22 Thread Daniel Bünzli via Unicode
Thanks for you answer. > The compromise that has generally been reached is that 'delete' deletes > a grapheme cluster and 'backspace' deletes a scalar value. (There are > good editors like Emacs that delete only a single character.) Just to make things clear. When you say character in your

Re: Grapheme clusters and backspace (was Re: Coding for Emoji: how to modify programs to work with emoji)

2019-10-22 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 11:04:01 +0200 Daniel Bünzli via Unicode wrote: > On 22 October 2019 at 09:37:22, Richard Wordingham via Unicode > (unicode@unicode.org) wrote: > > > When it comes to the second sentence of the text of Slide 7 > > 'Grapheme Clusters', my overwhelming reaction is one of

Grapheme clusters and backspace (was Re: Coding for Emoji: how to modify programs to work with emoji)

2019-10-22 Thread Daniel Bünzli via Unicode
On 22 October 2019 at 09:37:22, Richard Wordingham via Unicode (unicode@unicode.org) wrote: > When it comes to the second sentence of the text of Slide 7 'Grapheme > Clusters', my overwhelming reaction is one of extreme anger. Slide 8 > does nothing to lessen the offence. The problem is that it