Re: High dot/dot above punctuation?

2010-07-29 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 11:37:28AM -0700, Asmus Freytag wrote: On 7/28/2010 10:09 AM, Murray Sargent wrote: Contextual rendering is getting to be more common thanks to adoption of OpenType features. For example, both MS Publisher 2010 and MS Word 2010 support various contextually dependent

Re: High dot/dot above punctuation?

2010-07-29 Thread Kent Karlsson
Den 2010-07-29 08.47, skrev Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org: I have few fonts where I implemented a 'locl' OpenType feature that maps European to Arabic digits, and contextual substitution feature that replaces the dot with Arabic decimal separator when it comes between two Arabic

Re: High dot/dot above punctuation?

2010-07-29 Thread André Szabolcs Szelp
2010/7/28 Asmus Freytag asm...@ix.netcom.com On 7/28/2010 9:30 AM, André Szabolcs Szelp wrote: You really all say, that general property Sk (DOT ABOVE) rather than Po (FULL STOP, COMMA, MIDDLE DOT) (compared with all other decimal point characters) can not cause any problems ever in certain

Re: High dot/dot above punctuation?

2010-07-29 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:01:37AM +0200, Kent Karlsson wrote: Den 2010-07-29 08.47, skrev Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org: I have few fonts where I implemented a 'locl' OpenType feature that maps European to Arabic digits, and contextual substitution feature that replaces the dot

Re: High dot/dot above punctuation?

2010-07-29 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:15, Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org wrote: Also, I don't buy in Unicode idea of encoding different sets of decimal digits separately, they are all different graphical presentations of the same thing. Not in a document where the author is discussing the

Re: High dot/dot above punctuation?

2010-07-29 Thread Martin J. Dürst
On 2010/07/29 19:51, Juanma Barranquero wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:15, Khaled Hosnykhaledho...@eglug.org wrote: Also, I don't buy in Unicode idea of encoding different sets of decimal digits separately, they are all different graphical presentations of the same thing. Not in a

Re: High dot/dot above punctuation?

2010-07-29 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 04:52, Martin J. Dürst due...@it.aoyama.ac.jp wrote: It's very clear that we would get nowhere if we wanted to encode all these. The comment I respondend to talked about characters that are already encoded. In simpler words, you cannot use the needs of discussions

Re: High dot/dot above punctuation?

2010-07-29 Thread Martin J. Dürst
Hello Joanma, On 2010/07/30 12:05, Juanma Barranquero wrote: On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 04:52, Martin J. Dürstdue...@it.aoyama.ac.jp wrote: It's very clear that we would get nowhere if we wanted to encode all these. The comment I respondend to talked about characters that are already encoded.

High dot/dot above punctuation?

2010-07-28 Thread André Szabolcs Szelp
Dear Colleagues, In processing a document, I came across a punctuation character which I was not able to find in Unicode. As I find it hard to believe that the character has not been encoded yet, I must think my search was incomplete, and I'd be hoping that you can point me to the correct

Re: High dot/dot above punctuation?

2010-07-28 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
André Szabolcs Szelp wrote: Generally, for the decimal point . (U+002E FULLSTOP) and , (U+002C COMMA) is used in the SI world. However, earlier conventions could use different notation, such as the common British raised dot which centers with the lining digits (i.e. that would be U+00B7 MIDDLE

Re: High dot/dot above punctuation?

2010-07-28 Thread Kent Karlsson
Den 2010-07-28 09.50, skrev Jukka K. Korpela jkorp...@cs.tut.fi: André Szabolcs Szelp wrote: Generally, for the decimal point . (U+002E FULLSTOP) and , (U+002C COMMA) is used in the SI world. However, earlier conventions could use different notation, such as the common British raised dot

Re: High dot/dot above punctuation?

2010-07-28 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
Kent Karlsson wrote: And the Nameslist says: 002EFULL STOP = period, dot, decimal point * may be rendered as a raised decimal point in old style numbers Right, I remembered there is such a comment somewhere but did not remember where. However, I think that is a bad idea: firstly

Re: High dot/dot above punctuation?

2010-07-28 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 7/28/2010 2:02 AM, Kent Karlsson wrote: Den 2010-07-28 09.50, skrev Jukka K. Korpela jkorp...@cs.tut.fi: André Szabolcs Szelp wrote: Generally, for the decimal point . (U+002E FULLSTOP) and , (U+002C COMMA) is used in the SI world. However, earlier conventions could use different

Re: High dot/dot above punctuation?

2010-07-28 Thread Kent Karlsson
Den 2010-07-28 17.09, skrev Jukka K. Korpela jkorp...@cs.tut.fi: Kent Karlsson wrote: And the Nameslist says: 002EFULL STOP = period, dot, decimal point * may be rendered as a raised decimal point in old style numbers Right, I remembered there is such a comment somewhere but

Re: High dot/dot above punctuation?

2010-07-28 Thread André Szabolcs Szelp
You really all say, that general property Sk (DOT ABOVE) rather than Po (FULL STOP, COMMA, MIDDLE DOT) (compared with all other decimal point characters) can not cause any problems ever in certain algorithms? Szabolcs

RE: High dot/dot above punctuation?

2010-07-28 Thread Murray Sargent
Contextual rendering is getting to be more common thanks to adoption of OpenType features. For example, both MS Publisher 2010 and MS Word 2010 support various contextually dependent OpenType features at the user's discretion. The choice of glyph for U+002E could be chosen according to an

Re: High dot/dot above punctuation?

2010-07-28 Thread Michael Everson
On 28 Jul 2010, at 18:09, Murray Sargent wrote: Contextual rendering is getting to be more common thanks to adoption of OpenType features. For example, both MS Publisher 2010 and MS Word 2010 support various contextually dependent OpenType features at the user's discretion. The choice of

Re: High dot/dot above punctuation?

2010-07-28 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 7/28/2010 10:09 AM, Murray Sargent wrote: Contextual rendering is getting to be more common thanks to adoption of OpenType features. For example, both MS Publisher 2010 and MS Word 2010 support various contextually dependent OpenType features at the user's discretion. The choice of glyph for

RE: High dot/dot above punctuation?

2010-07-28 Thread Murray Sargent
Asmus asks, Which implementation makes the required context analysis to determine whether 002E is part of a number during layout? If it does make this determination, which OpenType feature does it invoke? Which font supports this particular OpenType feature? I haven't looked to see if our

RE: High dot/dot above punctuation?

2010-07-28 Thread Murray Sargent
Michael asks, Are or will be OT features supported in, say, filenames? The answer depends on the renderer. For example, if you display filenames in NotePad using the Calibri font, default English ligatures are used automatically using OpenType table info. Murray

Re: High dot/dot above punctuation?

2010-07-28 Thread Michael Everson
On 28 Jul 2010, at 21:25, Murray Sargent wrote: Michael asks, Are or will be OT features supported in, say, filenames? The answer depends on the renderer. For example, if you display filenames in NotePad using the Calibri font, default English ligatures are used automatically using

RE: High dot/dot above punctuation?

2010-07-28 Thread Murray Sargent
Michael asks, Are or will be OT features supported in, say, filenames? The answer depends on the renderer. For example, if you display filenames in NotePad using the Calibri font, default English ligatures are used automatically using OpenType table info. I meant on the desktop or in the

Re: High dot/dot above punctuation?

2010-07-28 Thread Andrew West
On 28 July 2010 18:41, Michael Everson ever...@evertype.com wrote: Contextual rendering is getting to be more common thanks to adoption of OpenType features. For example, both MS Publisher 2010 and MS Word 2010 support various contextually dependent OpenType features at the user's

Plain text (was: Re: High dot/dot above punctuation?)

2010-07-28 Thread Doug Ewell
Murray Sargent murrays at exchange dot microsoft dot com wrote: It's worth remembering that plain text is a format that was introduced due to the limitations of early computers. Books have always been rendered with at least some degree of rich text. And due to the complexity of Unicode, even

RE: Plain text (was: Re: High dot/dot above punctuation?)

2010-07-28 Thread Murray Sargent
Doug comments: Murray Sargent murrays at exchange dot microsoft dot com wrote: It's worth remembering that plain text is a format that was introduced due to the limitations of early computers. Books have always been rendered with at least some degree of rich text. And due to the