: Re: [langue-fr] L'anglais est-il une langue universelle ?
Elliotte Rusty Harold [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I've held my tongue in this flame-fest so far, but I'm afraid I can't
keep silent any longer. Unlike citizens of some larger countries the
Danes and the Dutch have no illusions
Paul Keinanen wrote:
In Finland in order to become a civil servant, get an academic degree
or even pass the matriculation exam you have to pass tests in both
Finnish and Swedish [...].
Being able to pass tests in non-native languages does not count
as bilingualism, as any American who
Elliotte Rusty Harold [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
When I was in Denmark, one evening I ate dinner in the hotel next to
a couple of French businessmen. They communicated with their Danish
waiter in English, quite easily, then went back to conversing in
French. Scenes like that are repeated
Ar 21:53 -0800 2001-01-02, scríobh Asmus Freytag:
There won't be. All evidence (and there's lots of it here in Ireland where
we have English-medium and Irish-medium schools) shows that, in general,
children who are bilingual do BETTER in school than monolingual children.
My own personal attempt
I would like to see any statistics tending to prove that pupils learning
more languages have worse results in maths or science than the unilingual
ones (let's say a comparison between HK pupils and the US ones ;-)).
There won't be. All evidence (and there's lots of it here in Ireland where
we
Ar 2001-01-02 21:53 -0800, scríobh Asmus Freytag:
There won't be. All evidence (and there's lots of it here in Ireland
where
we have English-medium and Irish-medium schools) shows that, in general,
children who are bilingual do BETTER in school than monolingual children.
My own personal
On 12/31/2000 11:47:37 AM Alain LaBonté wrote:
À 05:40 2000-12-31 -0800, Darya Said-Akbari a écrit:
Hello Alain,
Now think there would be one guy from Iran and this guy would say that not
english or french but farsi should be the real universal language. Think
that
farsi is spoken in Iran,
Hi,
Why do we discuss the issue whether english is the universal language or not.
Unicode stands not for english as the universal language but for all people on
this planet to talk in any language they like. Let the Chinese read the
internet in Chinese, the Iranians in Farsi and so on. I really
At 4:53 AM -0800 12/31/00, Michael Everson wrote:
Ar 07:48 -0800 2000-12-30, scríobh Patrick Andries:
School curricula are quite crowded
already. Every extra language you add is less time for math or
history or science or the native language. And where do you find the
teachers for all
Ar 07:48 -0800 2000-12-30, scríobh Patrick Andries:
School curricula are quite crowded
already. Every extra language you add is less time for math or
history or science or the native language. And where do you find the
teachers for all these extra languages?
I would like to see any
on 31/12/2000 18:12, John H. Jenkins at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 4:53 AM -0800 12/31/00, Michael Everson wrote:
Ar 07:48 -0800 2000-12-30, scríobh Patrick Andries:
Trilingualism and more is I'm afraid just too
much to ask of most people who aren't full-time language
professionals or
À 05:40 2000-12-31 -0800, Darya Said-Akbari a écrit:
Hello Alain,
after your explanation I dont know what we should discuss now. Did you
expect such a reaction from all the friends in this list? They all like
to tell their experiences to each
other. And once you read them you can find a lot of
Bon jour Alain,
I honestly had not the strength to read your whole email. But there are several
marks I recognize. One that you are from Quebec and that Quebec has a french
history. Second that your name sounds really french. So I imagine that you are
native french speaking human being on this
At 7:23 PM -0800 12/29/00, Patrick Andries wrote:
However, the questions -- as I see them -- are : should they all speak
only English as a foreign language, why do they learn only one foreign
language (just next to them there are 100 millions native German
speakers...)
If people have the
On Sat, 30 Dec 2000, Elliotte Rusty Harold wrote:
I'd like to see that claim backed up a little. You're coming from
Canada, and Quebec in particular, which is possibly the most
universally bilingual place in the Americas.
Actually not. Officially bilingual countries like Canada and
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At 7:23 PM -0800 12/29/00, Patrick Andries wrote:
However, the questions -- as I see them -- are : should they all speak
only English as a foreign language, why do they learn only one foreign
language (just
On Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 07:23:11PM -0800, Patrick Andries wrote:
However, the questions -- as I see them -- are : should they all speak
only English as a foreign language, why do they learn only one foreign
language (just next to them there are 100 millions native German
speakers...) and
À 13:19 2000-12-30 +0100, Darya Said-Akbari a écrit:
Bon jour Alain,
I honestly had not the strength to read your whole email. [...]
Now it would be unfair from me when I would go into a deeper discussion
with you,
until I really understand what you mean. So please tell me in four five
Alain LaBonté [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's certainly not my experience of Quebec where so far I've met
exactly one person whose English was worse than my French, and he was
a recent immigrant from Africa.)
[Alain] Then I can only say that you have never been East of the
St-Laurent
À 13:18 2000-12-30 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit:
« Important notice: The official language of this site is English/Anglais.
Any posts or comments en francais will be deleted. Sorry. For further
information, see the FAQ page. »
H!!! another Aussie who received culture in British
Elliotte Rusty Harold [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I've held my tongue in this flame-fest so far, but I'm afraid I can't
keep silent any longer. Unlike citizens of some larger countries the
Danes and the Dutch have no illusions that the world is going to
speak their language. They willingly
On Sat, 30 Dec 2000 06:16:38 -0800 (GMT-0800), John Cowan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2000, Elliotte Rusty Harold wrote:
I'd like to see that claim backed up a little. You're coming from
Canada, and Quebec in particular, which is possibly the most
universally bilingual place in
At 10:28 AM 12/30/00, Alain =?UNKNOWN?Q?LaBont=E9=A0?= wrote:
[Alain] Then I can only say that you have never been East of the
St-Laurent boulevard in Montréal or have traveled in a bubble outside of
Montréal if you did so.
I'm reminded of an incident in the Jardin de Botanique in Montréal--a
"Patrick Andries" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
May I add that this is precisely the reason that makes so many
Scandinavians and Dutch unsufferable : they cannot imagine speaking anything
else than English to a foreigner (often not even their own language).
I've held my tongue in this
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Envoyé : 29 déc. 2000 20:52
Objet : Re: [langue-fr] L'anglais est-il une langue universelle ?
"Patrick Andries" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ma
"Patrick Andries" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
May I add that this is precisely the reason that makes so many
Scandinavians and Dutch unsufferable : they cannot imagine speaking anything
else than English to a foreigner (often not even their own language).
How true. An English-speaking person
"Carl W. Brown" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My vote is for Portuguese. Because it was re-latinized it is closer to the
Latin roots that any other Romance language. Thus it makes a great linga
franca. Learning French unfortunately is learning two languages, the
written and the spoken. Not
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De : "Erland Sommarskog" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Alain LaBonté [EMAIL PROTECTED] poste un message très longe:
Is English the best marketing and communication tool?
Oh, but it is not only the English speakers. May I present some
nine millions Swedes to assist them?
Alain:
I usually lurk, but I would like to throw in my two cents now.
For the record I am getting frustrated with your postings, NOT
because I don't think there Anglophone bigots in the world (I know
there are) BUT because I don't think the Unicode list is where they
"hang out."
The people
À 05:45 2000-12-21 -0800, Elizabeth J. Pyatt a écrit:
So again, I ask - other than pointing out that there are non-English
speakers in North America and around the world, what message would you
like to send to Unicode?
[Alain] I did answer this question many times since yesterday. Reread my
Ar 05:45 -0800 2000-12-21, scríobh Elizabeth J. Pyatt:
Cases like Michael Everson or Scott Horne are the admirable and
noble exception which confirms the rule, as we say in French
("l'exception qui confirme la règle").
Well, according to Jane Hill, linguistic anthropologist at the University
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From: "Alain laBonté" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I add that it is not my text but I can
see that in addition to the provocation it perhaps contains truths that
many do not want to see at all...
If this is your conclusion, then you did not understand the responses you
If you don't know who wrote, then why was it posted?? I truly doubt a
native English speaking person wrote it I wouldn't trash myself, so
why would that person trash their self??? Besidees, this discussion has
gone on long enough in what is suppose to be an Unicode forum. how
about
-Original Message-From: Alain LaBonté
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 2:00
PMTo: Unicode ListSubject: Re: [langue-fr] L'anglais
est-il une langue universelle ?À 15:45 2000-12-20 -0500,
John Cowan a écrit:
Alain LaBonté scripsit: Just
as an indication
Is English the best marketing and communication tool?
According to the latest figures supplied by GlobalReach (see
http://www.glreach.com/globstats/index.php3), during the year 2000, English
content of all Internet messages worldwide (web queries and mail) dropped
below
50%. It is clear that, as
Ar 06:56 -0800 2000-12-20, scríobh Alain LaBonté :
Is English the best marketing and communication tool?
But I suspect he didn't write it. It looks very much like the kind of thing
an enthusiastic second-year university student would write as a term paper.
Yet, it is surprising to find out that
Everson opined:
But I suspect he didn't write it.
It looks very much like the kind of thing an enthusiastic
second-year university student would write as a term paper.
If Alain wrote that diatribe, he should have said so to avoid any such
questions. Otherwise, it should not have been
Alain,
ok, but why is this pertinent to this list and what is it you
are asking Unicode to do or stop doing?
tex
"Alain LaBonté " wrote:
À 11:13 2000-12-20 -0500, John Cowan a écrit:
Alain LaBonté [in fact, not me] wrote:
[author unknown]
Is English the best marketing and communication
À 15:26 2000-12-20 -0500, Tex Texin a écrit:
Alain,
ok, but why is this pertinent to this list and what is it you
are asking Unicode to do or stop doing?
I answered this at 15:12 but you probably did not see it yet.
Alain
À 10:29 2000-12-20 -0800, Rick McGowan a écrit:
In any case, I would have been happier had Alain provided an introduction
to say why on earth he posted it to the Unicode list.
[Alain] Because Unicoders should be happy about it when it speaks about
DNS internationalization and the like.
À 13:07 2000-12-20 -0800, Michael \(michka\) Kaplan a écrit:
I have not seen a posting from you that would
answer Tex's questions. The
entire post was inflammatory, and given the fact that you do
apparently
associate it with your own feelings vis-a-vis French/English in Quebec
it
even becomes to
The question that I keep asking is who wrote this missive, and if Alain
didn't write it, where did he get it? That's the most basic question I
had.
Rick
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Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [langue-fr] L'anglais est-il une langue universelle ?
À 13:07 2000-12-20 -0800, Michael \(michka\) Kaplan a écrit:
I have not seen a posting from you that would answer Tex's questions. The
entire post was inf
Forgive me for responding in English; I would be afraid to try out my
impoverished (and never rich) French after so many years of neglect. There
are figures (not necessarily reliable figures) for English use and knowledge
in David Crystal, *English as a Global Language.* From what I remember,
You know, here in America, the silly season usually starts some time in
summer. When the air conditioners break down.
Sarasvati, are your fans moving enough CFM?
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Mark Leisher
Computing Research LabCinema,
Mark Leisher kindly inquired:
Sarasvati, are your fans moving enough CFM?
It's been so cold in California of late that I had Dave disconnect
my fans last night in a vain attempt to warm my freezing diodes.
Obviously a rash move.
Dave, please reconnect my faa...
Daisy iz az Daisy
At Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:08:52 -0800 (GMT-0800), Alain LaBonté [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
[Alain] I had no intent of asking anything, but since you provoke me,
I
found something with which I wholeheartedly agree:
International forums and discussion groups should welcome contributions
in all
Is the suggestion of multilingual forums
really that different than having off-topic
threads in a forum? The threads/languages just become self-selecting
groups.
My only concern would be that subjects would be in a different
language from the body and it would be hard to know which
messages to
Alain LaBonté [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
À 10:29 2000-12-20 -0800, Rick McGowan a écrit:
In any case, I would have been happier had Alain provided an
introduction to say why on earth he posted it to the Unicode list.
[Alain] Because Unicoders should be happy about it when it speaks
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