Re: Mark-Driven Script Categorisation

2012-05-17 Thread Philippe Verdy
2012/5/17 Richard Wordingham : > On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:41:19 +0200 > Philippe Verdy wrote: > >> Is it really the Latin letter x in question there, if it's use is to >> be a visible placeholder to hold diacritic vowel marks ? The Latin >> letter has the problem of is dual case (not found in the La

Re: Mark-Driven Script Categorisation

2012-05-17 Thread Mark Davis ☕
, 2012 1:00 PM > To: verd...@wanadoo.fr > Cc: unicode@unicode.org > Subject: Re: Mark-Driven Script Categorisation > > On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:41:19 +0200 > Philippe Verdy wrote: > > > Is it really the Latin letter x in question there, if it's use is to > > be

Re: Mark-Driven Script Categorisation

2012-05-17 Thread Philippe Verdy
So all this looks like a legacy, coming from ages where Unicode was not very developed. I wonder what is the effective origin (and time) of this Lao keyboard. If it comes from a mechanical typewriter layout, it would be interesting to see how the glyph looked like : did it really have serifs (like

RE: Mark-Driven Script Categorisation

2012-05-17 Thread Peter Constable
f Of Richard Wordingham Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 1:00 PM To: verd...@wanadoo.fr Cc: unicode@unicode.org Subject: Re: Mark-Driven Script Categorisation On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:41:19 +0200 Philippe Verdy wrote: > Is it really the Latin letter x in question there, if it's use is to &

Re: Mark-Driven Script Categorisation

2012-05-17 Thread Richard Wordingham
On Thu, 17 May 2012 23:16:10 +0200 Philippe Verdy wrote: > > OK, OK So this looks like there's an 'x'-like letter in the Lao > > script. But why should it be the Latin letter with all its allowed > > variations, its dual case, its cursive joining, its serifs ? May be > > the letter x was chos

Re: Mark-Driven Script Categorisation

2012-05-17 Thread Richard Wordingham
On Thu, 17 May 2012 22:56:51 +0200 Philippe Verdy wrote: > Oh well... then the next time we'll discuss about including the Han > sinograms in the Latin script because we find discussions in English > about these sinograms. Then we'll start mixing all scripts together as > if they were all in the

Re: Mark-Driven Script Categorisation

2012-05-17 Thread Philippe Verdy
2012/5/17 Philippe Verdy : > 2012/5/17 Richard Wordingham : >> On Thu, 17 May 2012 22:14:55 +0200 >> Philippe Verdy wrote: >> >>> It has x just like the rest of the Basic Latin alphabet, in one of its >>> input modes. >> >> Which keyboard layout are you looking at?  When present, it's usually >> g

Re: Mark-Driven Script Categorisation

2012-05-17 Thread Philippe Verdy
2012/5/17 Richard Wordingham : > On Thu, 17 May 2012 22:14:55 +0200 > Philippe Verdy wrote: > >> It has x just like the rest of the Basic Latin alphabet, in one of its >> input modes. > > Which keyboard layout are you looking at?  When present, it's usually > got by pressing and the key used for

Re: Mark-Driven Script Categorisation (was: Compliant Tailoring of Normalisation for the Unicode Collation Algorithm)

2012-05-17 Thread Philippe Verdy
2012/5/17 Richard Wordingham : > On Wed, 16 May 2012 21:46:17 -0700 > Mark Davis ☕ wrote: > >> No, it's not. >> >> Including x in Lao for some pedagogical (I'm guessing) purpose is >> completely out of scope. That'd be like including π in Latin because >> it sometimes occurs in the middle of Engli

Re: Mark-Driven Script Categorisation

2012-05-17 Thread Richard Wordingham
On Thu, 17 May 2012 22:14:55 +0200 Philippe Verdy wrote: > It has x just like the rest of the Basic Latin alphabet, in one of its > input modes. Which keyboard layout are you looking at? When present, it's usually got by pressing and the key used for U+0EAD LAO LETTER O. It's normally the onl

Mark-Driven Script Categorisation (was: Compliant Tailoring of Normalisation for the Unicode Collation Algorithm)

2012-05-17 Thread Richard Wordingham
On Wed, 16 May 2012 21:46:17 -0700 Mark Davis ☕ wrote: > No, it's not. > > Including x in Lao for some pedagogical (I'm guessing) purpose is > completely out of scope. That'd be like including π in Latin because > it sometimes occurs in the middle of English text. No, it's more like including D

Re: Typing U+00D7 (was: RE: Mark-Driven Script Categorisation)

2012-05-17 Thread Philippe Verdy
2012/5/17 Doug Ewell : > Philippe Verdy wrote: >> But today it's not difficult to type × instead because it is very well >> supported in many fonts and present in many legacy 8-bit encodings. > > I'm completely confused as to how font support and legacy encoding > support implies keyboard support.

Re: Mark-Driven Script Categorisation

2012-05-17 Thread Philippe Verdy
2012/5/17 Richard Wordingham : > On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:41:19 +0200 > Philippe Verdy wrote: > >> Is it really the Latin letter x in question there, if it's use is to >> be a visible placeholder to hold diacritic vowel marks ? The Latin >> letter has the problem of is dual case (not found in the La

Re: Mark-Driven Script Categorisation

2012-05-17 Thread Richard Wordingham
On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:41:19 +0200 Philippe Verdy wrote: > Is it really the Latin letter x in question there, if it's use is to > be a visible placeholder to hold diacritic vowel marks ? The Latin > letter has the problem of is dual case (not found in the Lao script, > and a too large variation a

Typing U+00D7 (was: RE: Mark-Driven Script Categorisation)

2012-05-17 Thread Doug Ewell
Philippe Verdy wrote: > But today it's not difficult to type × instead because it is very well > supported in many fonts and present in many legacy 8-bit encodings. I'm completely confused as to how font support and legacy encoding support implies keyboard support. Most keyboard layouts don't su

Re: Mark-Driven Script Categorisation

2012-05-17 Thread Philippe Verdy
2012/5/17 Richard Wordingham : > On Wed, 16 May 2012 15:32:31 -0700 > Ken Whistler wrote: > >> On 5/16/2012 2:54 PM, Richard Wordingham wrote: > >> > I have been wondering if U+0078 LATIN >> > SMALL LETTER X should be made common script because of its use for >> > displaying Lao vowels, but perhap

Mark-Driven Script Categorisation

2012-05-16 Thread Richard Wordingham
On Wed, 16 May 2012 15:32:31 -0700 Ken Whistler wrote: > On 5/16/2012 2:54 PM, Richard Wordingham wrote: > > I have been wondering if U+0078 LATIN > > SMALL LETTER X should be made common script because of its use for > > displaying Lao vowels, but perhaps the principle of separation of > > scri