Re: TAI NÜA , TAI LE

2003-09-15 Thread Andrew C. West
Not knowing very much about the Tai script I consulted some Chinese reference books to see how the Chinese designate the Tai script. The "Languages and Scripts" volume of the _Ci Hai_ encyclopaedia (Shanghai, 1978) states that there are four main script traditions used for writing the Dai (= Tai)

Re: TAI NÜA , TAI LE

2003-09-12 Thread Edward H. Trager
"Nuea" (เหนือ) indeed means "north" or "northern" in the standard Central Thai language, whereas I believe "le" is the way northerners pronounce the same word. BTW, readers of this mailing list may be interested bookmarking the following online Thai-English dictionary from NECTEC: http://lexit

Re: TAI NÜA , TAI LE

2003-09-11 Thread Richard Cook
Gedney says "nuea"/"nü" is a Thai word for 'north/northern' ... looks as if the syllable in this name gets written many different ways ... le, lu, lü, lüe, lue, nü, nüa, nüe, neua, nuea ... at least it's possibly the same syllable. Here are some references: Gedney, William J. 1976. "Notes on T

Re: TAI NÜA , TAI LE

2003-09-11 Thread Michael Everson
At 11:16 -0700 2003-09-11, Richard Cook wrote: Well, "Le" is a Chinese (Mandarin) syllable, while "NÜA" is not ... They wrote "Le" in Tai Le script. -- Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com

Re: TAI NÜA , TAI LE

2003-09-11 Thread Richard Cook
On Thursday, Sep 11, 2003, at 10:45 US/Pacific, Michael Everson wrote: At 10:02 -0700 2003-09-11, Richard Cook wrote: I'm guessing that "Tai Le" would be the exonym (Chinese name), while "TAI NÜA" is the autonym. Don't guess. The Chinese name is Dehong Dai. Well, "Le" is a Chinese (Mandarin) syl

Re: TAI NÜA , TAI LE

2003-09-11 Thread Michael Everson
At 10:02 -0700 2003-09-11, Richard Cook wrote: I'm guessing that "Tai Le" would be the exonym (Chinese name), while "TAI NÜA" is the autonym. Don't guess. The Chinese name is Dehong Dai. -- Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com

Re: TAI NÜA , TAI LE

2003-09-11 Thread Richard Cook
On Thursday, Sep 11, 2003, at 09:42 US/Pacific, Michael Everson wrote: At 11:04 -0400 2003-09-11, Patrick Andries wrote: Does TAI LE, encoded in Unicode 4.0, refer to the same language as TAI NÜA ? Yes. If so, isn't TAI NÜA the most frequently used form of this language ? According to the Ethnol

Re: TAI NÜA , TAI LE

2003-09-11 Thread Michael Everson
At 11:04 -0400 2003-09-11, Patrick Andries wrote: Does TAI LE, encoded in Unicode 4.0, refer to the same language as TAI NÜA ? Yes. If so, isn't TAI NÜA the most frequently used form of this language ? According to the Ethnologue it is. According to the Chinese experts who transcribed the name w

TAI NÜA, TAI LE

2003-09-11 Thread Patrick Andries
Does TAI LE, encoded in Unicode 4.0, refer to the same language as TAI NÜA ? If so, isn't TAI NÜA the most frequently used form of this language ? P. Andries