William Overington wrote:
Kenneth Whistler wrote:
Among other things, you have yet to have meet the challenge
by Michael Kaplan to provide a convincing case for their
requirement.
Oh, there was no need. Michael stated his challenge as a
put up, or shut up challenge [...]
I am
Marco wrote:
So, if William drops it, I will take the challenge -- at the risk of
repeating things that others and myself already wrote.
The PUA is (or might be) used for, e.g
People, there are three distinct issues here:
1. Are there legitimate uses for the PUA?
2. How do I get
At 03:09 AM 5/3/01, Marco Cimarosti wrote:
The PUA is (or might be) used for, e.g.: [...]
I have been following this thread with some amusement, and I have noticed
that one use of the PUA has been overlooked: the Microsoft Symbol Font
area. In Windows systems, this gives access to a literally
Peter said:
2. How do I get software X to know how to process my PUA characters, or how
do I document my characters for others to understand my data?
Michael replied...
In principle it would work, if the OSes are being written to handle user
editing of such things. Ten euros sez they ain't.
At 14:01 -0700 2001-05-01, Kenneth Whistler wrote:
If, on the other hand, it were just a matter of ensuring interoperability
of private Blissymbolics implementations, then you could get endorsement
by the Blissymbolics Institute.
BCI (Clissymbolics Communication International) will be playing
that I need to do as well, for I must also convince
the Unicode Consortium that it has the power to implement private use area
support tags even if the Unicode Consortium were to accept that private use
area support tags were needed. I happen to think that the Unicode
Consortium arguably might have
that it could act in this matter within
limits then definition of a protocol would be all but an essential part of
any such action.
What I have in mind here is a set of private use area support tags, perhaps
located in plane 14, better located in plane 0 if a contiguous block of 128
unused codes
From: William Overington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Can there be found a possible usage that such a scheme would
not support?
Finding just one would resolve the question.
I suspect that the whole issue is covered by Goedel's(sp?)
Incompleteness theorem, which says (approximately)
Committee) would not define any
such protocol for private use characters. It is entirely up to
external organizations to engage in such work if they choose to do
so.
What I have in mind here is a set of private use area support tags, perhaps
located in plane 14, better located in plane 0
At 07:53 PM 5/1/01 +0100, William Overington wrote:
Asmus continues:
Since such scheme(s) support only some particular
usage (or set of usages) of the private use area,
the consortium would no longer be neutral towards
*any and all* uses of the Private Use Area.
end quote
This is the core
William Overington wrote:
What please is the IETF?
Internet Engineering Task Force. As Rick pointed out, peruse:
http://www.ietf.org/
Ken continues:
But anyone who comes to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list looking
to actually develop and establish a standard protocol involving
Unicode is
Why Unicode will never endorse certain proposals
By making the Private Use Area private, the Unicode Consortium imposed on
itself a restriction to stay absolutely neutral on the use of these
characters. In other words, it cannot promote or
William Overington wrote:
However, there is something that I feel that the Unicode
Consortium could do, if it so wished, without violating
that rule. I suggest that the Consortium could,
if it so chooses, encode one or more regular unicode
characters together with a protocol so that
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 01:26:18AM -0700, James Kass wrote:
To store all such information in each relevant file using
non-BMP characters does seem a bit much. Even without
any new representations, providing this data in each file
might work if the user had only one or two such files,
but
David Starner wrote:
Character set information must go along with every non-Latin-1
webpage already, and most word processor formats already carry along
huge quantities of data, such that just adding the information
shouldn't be hard at all.
The charset declaration in HTML header is
Kenneth Whistler, wrote:
And there have been a couple of no-doubt frustrating responses already.
end quote
No, not frustrating at all. I have found it fascinating. I am seeking to
participate in world class leading edge research work and the number of
contributions to this thread, the
Michael Kaplan wrote:
Lets consider the fact that what you are looking for is summarized at the
end of your message: I hope to gain fairly widespread agreement within the
unicode user community.
end quote
The quote is an excerpt from a sentence. The whole sentence is as follows.
The
From: William Overington [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: Tags and the Private Use Area
The quote is an excerpt from a sentence.
Well, you did manage to go on for quite a bit. Since you were able to pick
apart
James Kass scripsit:
IMPORTANT NOTE: This file uses characters assigned
to the Private Use Area of Unicode according to the
PUA scheme published at (URL). In order to view this
document, it will be necessary to obtain and install
the (font-name) font from (URL of font provider).
end
From: William Overington [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have updated my suggestion. Here is the latest version for discussion.
Lets consider the fact that what you are looking for is summarized at the
end of your message: I hope to gain fairly widespread agreement within the
unicode user community. I
On 04/27/2001 03:23:36 AM unicode-bounce wrote:
From: William Overington [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have updated my suggestion. Here is the latest version for
discussion.
Lets consider the fact that what you are looking for is summarized at the
end of your message: I hope to gain fairly widespread
William Overington wrote:
I have updated my suggestion. Here is the latest version for discussion.
...
Specific protocols to use with such tagging can be devised.
...
The suggestion is open for discussion and I hope to gain fairly widespread
agreement within the unicode user community.
And
that mention is made that, where displayed for analysis
purposes, these private use area tags should be displayed as yellow on a red
background. Ordinary unicode tags displayed for analysis are not specified
to be displayed in any specific colour but some people might like to display
them as white
so that the idea could progress without ambiguity. May
I suggest that mention is made that, where displayed for analysis purposes,
these private use area tags should be displayed as yellow on a red
background. Ordinary unicode tags displayed for analysis are not specified
to be displayed in any
There has been a lot of recent discussion about various uses of the PUA.
Can someone point to widespread instances of confusion and chaos right now
over PUA usage? I don't think there is any.
It seems to me there's a lot of effort being expended to engineer the
regulation of something that
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:16:43AM -0700, Rick McGowan wrote:
For the most-part, it's been my impression that actual PUA usages are very
localized and platform-specific, and the characters tend not to leak all
over the place. If end-users have a demonstrable need to widely
communicate
Rick McGowan wrote:
I'm looking for a problem to which all of these engineering solutions
are
being proposed and discussed. I don't yet see anything that needs
to be
solved. I see a theoretically chaotic situation, not an actually
chaotic
situation.
Here is a quote from the November 27, 2000
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