Re: Major vendors changing U+1F52B PISTOL  depiction from firearm to squirt gun

2018-05-23 Thread Martin J. Dürst via Unicode
On 2018/05/24 03:00, Michael Everson via Unicode wrote: I consider it a significant semantic shift from the intended meaning of the character in the source Japanese character set. Yes and no. I'd consider the semantic shift from a real pistol in a Japanese message to a real pistol in a

Re: Major vendors changing U+1F52B PISTOL  depiction from firearm to squirt gun

2018-05-23 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Wed, 23 May 2018 10:59:02 -0700 Ken Whistler via Unicode wrote: > If you want stable and accurate > conveyance of particular meaning -- well, write it out in the > standard orthography of a particular language. Preferably not of a living language, though even the

Re: Major vendors changing U+1F52B PISTOL  depiction from firearm to squirt gun

2018-05-23 Thread Michael Everson via Unicode
I consider it a significant semantic shift from the intended meaning of the character in the source Japanese character set. Michael Everson

Re: Major vendors changing U+1F52B PISTOL  depiction from firearm to squirt gun

2018-05-23 Thread Ken Whistler via Unicode
On 5/23/2018 8:53 AM, Abe Voelker via Unicode wrote: As a user I find it troublesome because previous messages I've sent using this character on these platforms may now be interpreted differently due to the changed representation. That aspect has me wondering if this change is in line with

Re: Major vendors changing U+1F52B PISTOL  depiction from firearm to squirt gun

2018-05-23 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Wed, 23 May 2018 20:08:31 +0300 via Unicode wrote: > I’d treat these as glyph changes within fonts. I'd treat them as gross violations of character identity. Richard.

VS: Major vendors changing U+1F52B PISTOL  depiction from firearm to squirt gun

2018-05-23 Thread via Unicode
I’d treat these as glyph changes within fonts. Sincerely Erkki I. Kolehmainen Lähettäjä: Unicode Puolesta Abe Voelker via Unicode Lähetetty: keskiviikko 23. toukokuuta 2018 18.54 Vastaanottaja: unicode@unicode.org Aihe: Major vendors changing U+1F52B

Major vendors changing U+1F52B PISTOL  depiction from firearm to squirt gun

2018-05-23 Thread Abe Voelker via Unicode
Hello, I'm curious if there has been any discussion on all the major vendors changing this emoji's depiction? ( https://blog.emojipedia.org/all-major-vendors-commit-to-gun-redesign/) As a user I find it troublesome because previous messages I've sent using this character on these platforms may

Re: Extended grapheme cluster stability

2018-05-23 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On thing to bear in mind about breaks: Unicode is plain-text and not "final rendered text". Many types of breaks depend on things like actual font selection, column width and other factors determined by styling. They are therefore not necessarily stable from a plain text perspective (the same