Re: Variation Sequences (and L2-11/059)

2018-07-16 Thread Janusz S. Bień via Unicode
On Mon, Jul 16 2018 at 19:00 +0100, wjgo_10...@btinternet.com writes: > Hi > >> I ask the question because there are now several historical corpora >> of Polish under development, which use at present a kind of fall-back >> or some other ad hoc solutions for "nonce glyphs", as they are called >>

Re: Variation Sequences (and L2-11/059)

2018-07-16 Thread Janusz S. Bień via Unicode
On Mon, Jul 16 2018 at 1:08 -0700, unicode@unicode.org writes: > The use case would seem to be more properly served by some form of > registration mechanism, like the one IVD represents for ideographs. I agree. > > The use of "standardized" variation sequences with the understanding > that

Re: UAX #9: applicability of higher-level protocols to bidi plaintext

2018-07-16 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 7/16/2018 8:30 PM, Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 10:53:03 +0300 Shai Berger via Unicode wrote: What I'm not OK with is: !Hello, World Which is what you'll see if your editor decides to use RTL directionality for

Re: UAX #9: applicability of higher-level protocols to bidi plaintext

2018-07-16 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 10:53:03 +0300 Shai Berger via Unicode wrote: > What I'm not OK with is: > > !Hello, World > > Which is what you'll see if your editor decides to use RTL > directionality for this file, as the FAQ says it may. Using 'left aligned' for RTL and 'right aligned' for LTR are

Re: UAX #9: applicability of higher-level protocols to bidi plaintext

2018-07-16 Thread Ken Whistler via Unicode
On 7/16/2018 3:51 PM, Shai Berger via Unicode wrote: And I should add, in response to the other points raised in this thread, from the same page in the core standard: "If the same plain text sequence is given to disparate rendering processes, there is no expectation that rendered text in each

Re: UAX #9: applicability of higher-level protocols to bidi plaintext

2018-07-16 Thread Shai Berger via Unicode
Hi Eli and all, On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 14:07:50 +0300 Eli Zaretskii via Unicode wrote: > From: Shai Berger > > > > I have no argument with this, but I do think that in such cases it > > is wrong for the app to pretend that it is still treating the text > > as plain. > > What is "plain text"

Re: Variation Sequences (and L2-11/059)

2018-07-16 Thread William_J_G Overington via Unicode
Hi > I ask the question because there are now several historical corpora of Polish > under development, which use at present a kind of fall-back or some other ad > hoc solutions for "nonce glyphs", as they are called in the FAQ. I wonder if you could say please what are the "kind of fall-back

Re: Variation Sequences (and L2-11/059)

2018-07-16 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
The use case would seem to be more properly served by some form of registration mechanism, like the one IVD represents for ideographs. The use of "standardized" variation sequences with the understanding that those would be (fairly) widely implemented

Re: UAX #9: applicability of higher-level protocols to bidi plaintext

2018-07-16 Thread Shai Berger via Unicode
On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 12:14:35 -0700 Asmus Freytag via Unicode wrote: > I would say the problem lies in the attempt to exchange arbitrary raw > data and expect perfectly compatible rendering [...] Editors for > plain text will wrap or not wrap lines on presentation [...] The bidi > case is just

Variation Sequences (and L2-11/059)

2018-07-16 Thread Janusz S. Bień via Unicode
FAQ (http://unicode.org/faq/vs.html) states: For historic scripts, the variation sequence provides a useful tool, because it can show mistaken or nonce glyphs and relate them to the base character. It can also be used to reflect the views of scholars, who may see the relation