Arranging Hieroglyphics (was: A sign/abbreviation for "magister")

2018-11-04 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 22:55:17 +0100 Philippe Verdy via Unicode wrote: > I can also cite the case of Egyptian hieroglyphs: there's still no > way to render them correctly because we lack the development of a > stable orthography that would drive the encoding of the missing > **semantic** characters

Re: UCA unnecessary collation weight 0000

2018-11-04 Thread Philippe Verdy via Unicode
So you finally admit that I was right... And that the specs include requirements that are not even needed to make UCA work, and that not even used by wellknown implementations. These are old artefacts which are now really confusive (instructing programmers to adopt the old deprecated behavior, befo

Re: Encoding

2018-11-04 Thread Philippe Verdy via Unicode
I can take another example about what I call "legacy encoding" (which really means that such encoding is just an "approximation" from which no semantic can be clearly infered, except by using a non-determinist heuristic, which can frequently make "false guesses"). Consider the case of the legacy H

Re: Encoding

2018-11-04 Thread Philippe Verdy via Unicode
Note also that some other scripts have their own dedicated "abbreviation mark" encoded, but as distinctive punctuations or modifier letters: they are NOT combining. I do not advocate changing these scripts at all. As well I don't propose to instruct authors to use an after Latin/Greek/Letters/Ara

Re: Encoding

2018-11-04 Thread Philippe Verdy via Unicode
Le dim. 4 nov. 2018 à 18:34, Marcel Schneider a écrit : > On 04/11/2018 17:45, Philippe Verdy wrote: > Marcel > * As already repeatedly stated, I’m taking the one bit where TUS states > that all natural languages shall be given a semantically unambiguous (ie > not introducing new ambiguity) and i

Re: Encoding

2018-11-04 Thread Philippe Verdy via Unicode
Le dim. 4 nov. 2018 à 18:34, Marcel Schneider a écrit : > On 04/11/2018 17:45, Philippe Verdy wrote: > Beyond that, the problem with *COMBINING ABBREVIATION MARK is that it > needs OpenType support to work, while direct encoding of preformatted > superscripts and use as abbreviation indicators fo

Re: Encoding (was: Re: A sign/abbreviation for "magister")

2018-11-04 Thread Marcel Schneider via Unicode
Sorry, I didn’t truncate the subject line, it was my mail client. On 04/11/2018 17:45, Philippe Verdy wrote: Note that I actually propose not just one rendering for the but two possible variants (that would be equally valid withou preference). Use it after any base cluster (including with diac

Re: Encoding

2018-11-04 Thread Marcel Schneider via Unicode
On 04/11/2018 17:45, Philippe Verdy wrote: Note that I actually propose not just one rendering for the but two possible variants (that would be equally valid withou preference). Use it after any base cluster (including with diacritics if needed, like combining underlines). - the first one can

Re: Encoding (was: Re: A sign/abbreviation for "magister")

2018-11-04 Thread Philippe Verdy via Unicode
Note that I actually propose not just one rendering for the but two possible variants (that would be equally valid withou preference). Use it after any base cluster (including with diacritics if needed, like combining underlines). - the first one can be to render the previous cluster as superscrip

Re: UCA unnecessary collation weight 0000

2018-11-04 Thread Mark Davis ☕️ via Unicode
Philippe, I agree that we could have structured the UCA differently. It does make sense, for example, to have the weights be simply decimal values instead of integers. But nobody is going to go through the substantial work of restructuring the UCA spec and data file unless there is a very strong re

Encoding (was: Re: A sign/abbreviation for "magister")

2018-11-04 Thread Marcel Schneider via Unicode
On 03/11/2018 23:50, James Kass via Unicode wrote: When the topic being discussed no longer matches the thread title, somebody should start a new thread with an appropriate thread title. Yes, that is what also the OP called for, but my last reply though taking me some time to write was sent w