Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-09 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/9/2019 4:41 PM, Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode wrote: On 1/9/19 2:30 AM, Asmus Freytag via Unicode wrote: English use of italics on isolated words to disambiguate the reading of some sentences is a

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-09 Thread Adam Borowski via Unicode
On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 02:33:02PM -0700, Doug Ewell via Unicode wrote: > James Kass wrote: > > (I still get a kick out of this:) > > http://www.ewellic.org/mathtext.html > Andrew West’s online “Unicode Text Styler” includes non-math > characters (like circled and fullwidth) as well, and is

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-09 Thread Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode
On 1/9/19 4:25 AM, David Starner via Unicode wrote: Honestly, I could argue that case should not be encoded. It would simplify so much processing of Latin script text, and most of the time case-sensitive operations are just wrong. Case is clearly a headache that has to be dealt with in

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-09 Thread Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode
On 1/9/19 12:33 AM, David Starner via Unicode wrote: Is there any way to preserve The Art of Computer Programming except as a PDF or its TeX sources? Grabbing a different book near me, I don't see any way to preserve them except as full-color paged reproductions. Looking at one data format,

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-09 Thread Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode
On 1/9/19 2:30 AM, Asmus Freytag via Unicode wrote: English use of italics on isolated words to disambiguate the reading of some sentences is a convention. Everybody who does it, does it the same way. Not supported in plain text. German books from the Fraktur age used Antiqua for Latin and

Re: Where is my character @?

2019-01-09 Thread Doug Ewell via Unicode
James Kass wrote: > It's probably old-fashioned to say that technology should be forced to > accomodate people rather than the other way around. But it's good to > note that efforts are still being made on behalf of the users to make > progress towards U.C.S. inclusion. I'm as opposed to this

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-09 Thread wjgo_10...@btinternet.com via Unicode
I suggest that a solution to the problem would be to encode a COMBINING ITALICIZER character, such that it only applies to the character that it immediately follows. So, for example, to make the word apricot become displayed in italics one would use seven COMBINING ITALICIZER characters, one

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-09 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/9/2019 1:37 AM, Tex via Unicode wrote:      James Kass wrote: If a text is published in all italics, that’s style/font choice.  If a text is published using italics and roman

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-09 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/9/2019 1:06 AM, James Kass via Unicode wrote: Asmus Freytag wrote, > Still, not supported in plain text (unless you abuse the > math alphabets for things they were not intended for). The unintended

RE: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-09 Thread Tex via Unicode
James Kass wrote: If a text is published in all italics, that’s style/font choice. If a text is published using italics and roman contrastively and consistently, and everybody else is doing it pretty much the same way, that’s a convention. Asmus Freytag responded: But not all

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-09 Thread David Starner via Unicode
On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 11:58 PM James Kass via Unicode wrote: > > David Starner wrote, > > > Can some books be mostly handled with Unicode plain text > > and italics? Sure. HTML can handle them quite nicely. ... > > Yes, many books can be handled very well with HTML using simple > mark-up. If

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-09 Thread James Kass via Unicode
Asmus Freytag wrote, > Still, not supported in plain text (unless you abuse the > math alphabets for things they were not intended for). The unintended usage of math alphanumerics in the real world is fairly widespread, at least in screen names. (I still get a kick out of this:)