Re: German »Raute« (was: U+25CA LOZENGE)
Hi all, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr wrote: |2012/8/13 Otto Stolz otto.st...@uni-konstanz.de: | Hello, | | am 2012-08-13 20:48, schrieb Leif Halvard Silli: | | The word 'Raute' reminds of the Norwegian 'rute' - and my Norwegian | book on etymology assumes that 'rute' is derived from 'Raute'. The | Norwegian 'rute' may refer to a cell in a (data) table or in a square | board for chess. Such a 'rute' is of course a square. Perhaps German | 'Raute' has a similar possibility of being interpreted as square? |[.] | | In German, »Raute« is a synonym of »Rhombus«, i. e. | an equilateral quadrilateral. Hence, every »Raute« | is a »Quadrat« (square), but not vice versa. | (A square has also four equal angels.) | |Correction: |* Every »Quadrat« (square) is a »Raute« (Rhombus), a Rhombus/Raute |being not restricted to right angles. According to the german »Duden« ([0],[1]) a »Quadrat« has four angles of 90 degrees, whereas a Raute is described as a »schiefwinkliges gleichseitiges Viereck«, an «oblique-angled equilateral parallelogram». Of course , |* Every »Raute« (Rhombus) is also a lozenge,[.] And i would think that the other way is the more common one, i.e, Rhombus (Raute), because the geometrical form is »rhombisch« and it forms a »Rhomboid«. Steven [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duden [1] http://www.duden.de P.S.: Yes, germans; but i wouldn't count Btx since noone had it anyway.. That reminded me of the then minister of post Schwarz-Schilling, related by marriage to Sonnenschein batteries, and i always wondered why a small company without much research could gain lots of orders from major companies like Volkswagen.. But that ended in 1992 once he resigned, too. Unfortunately www.dict.cc shows a big relationship in between Raute/rhomb and Doppelkreuz/hash. I don't know if that means much though. Just one more vespiary.
German »Raute« (was: U+25CA LOZENGE)
Hello, am 2012-08-13 20:48, schrieb Leif Halvard Silli: The word 'Raute' reminds of the Norwegian 'rute' - and my Norwegian book on etymology assumes that 'rute' is derived from 'Raute'. The Norwegian 'rute' may refer to a cell in a (data) table or in a square board for chess. Such a 'rute' is of course a square. Perhaps German 'Raute' has a similar possibility of being interpreted as square? Btw, the Norwegian for 'diamond', in the playing card sense, is 'ruter'. The 'ruter' in the playing card sense, is easily associated with 'rute' - in other words: square. However, we see that it is not a square, in the normal sense. The modern German name for diamond cards, Karo, geht auf lateinisch quadrum „Viereck, Quadrat“ zurück. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karo_(Farbe) In German, »Raute« is a synonym of »Rhombus«, i. e. an equilateral quadrilateral. Hence, every »Raute« is a »Quadrat« (square), but not vice versa. (A square has also four equal angels.) Rhombuses are often depicted resting on a vertex, whilst squares are usually depicted resting on an edge. But the orientation of a geometrical shape really does not change its geometric features, nor its name. Best wishes, Otto Stolz
Re: German »Raute« (was: U+25CA LOZENGE)
Otto Stolz, Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:14:17 +0200: am 2012-08-13 20:48, schrieb Leif Halvard Silli: Norwegian 'rute' may refer to a cell in a (data) table or in a square board for chess. Such a 'rute' is of course a square. Perhaps German 'Raute' has a similar possibility of being interpreted as square? In German, »Raute« is a synonym of »Rhombus«, i. e. an equilateral quadrilateral. Hence, every »Raute« is a »Quadrat« (square), but not vice versa. (A square has also four equal angels.) Rhombuses are often depicted resting on a vertex, whilst squares are usually depicted resting on an edge. But the orientation of a geometrical shape really does not change its geometric features, nor its name. Thanks. If I ever learned that a rhombus could be a quadrat, then I had forgotten it. Conclusion: Another reason to not be too categorical about how irrelevant 'Raute' as name for the '#' might be. -- Leif Halvard Silli
Re: German »Raute« (was: U+25CA LOZENGE)
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Otto Stolz otto.st...@uni-konstanz.dewrote: In German, »Raute« is a synonym of »Rhombus«, i. e. an equilateral quadrilateral. Hence, every »Raute« is a »Quadrat« (square), but not vice versa. The other way around, right? Every »Quadrat« (square, has right angles) is also a »Rhombus« (equilateral, but not necessarily right angles). markus
Re: German »Raute« (was: U+25CA LOZENGE)
2012/8/13 Otto Stolz otto.st...@uni-konstanz.de: Hello, am 2012-08-13 20:48, schrieb Leif Halvard Silli: The word 'Raute' reminds of the Norwegian 'rute' - and my Norwegian book on etymology assumes that 'rute' is derived from 'Raute'. The Norwegian 'rute' may refer to a cell in a (data) table or in a square board for chess. Such a 'rute' is of course a square. Perhaps German 'Raute' has a similar possibility of being interpreted as square? Btw, the Norwegian for 'diamond', in the playing card sense, is 'ruter'. The 'ruter' in the playing card sense, is easily associated with 'rute' - in other words: square. However, we see that it is not a square, in the normal sense. The modern German name for diamond cards, Karo, geht auf lateinisch quadrum „Viereck, Quadrat“ zurück. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karo_(Farbe) In German, »Raute« is a synonym of »Rhombus«, i. e. an equilateral quadrilateral. Hence, every »Raute« is a »Quadrat« (square), but not vice versa. (A square has also four equal angels.) Correction: * Every »Quadrat« (square) is a »Raute« (Rhombus), a Rhombus/Raute being not restricted to right angles. * Every »Raute« (Rhombus) is also a lozenge, a lozenge being not necessarily equilateral like a Raute/Rhombus, but having two pairs of two connected equal vertices. So a »Quadrat« (square) is also a lozenge (as well as being also a rectangle). But in Unicode, the names for the less restricted shapes are not refering to the particular, more restricted cases : these specific cases are used to differenciate these restrictions: So the shape of a lozenge character should not have right angles (otherwise it will be a square character, independantly of its rotation), and thus its diagonals should have different lengths. The rotation of a lozenge or a square will be significant and should be encoded distinctly (if they are laying on an horizontal vertex, or if they have their diagonals oriented horizontally and vertically). It may happen that the lozenge or square is slightly sheared when shown in italic style or oblique style, with some fonts or with renderers synthetizing these styles (in that case their diagonals would no longer be orthogonal).
