Re: Letter from the Hungarian Standards Institution

2011-09-14 Thread Karl Pentzlin
Dear Gábor,
thank you for your letter regarding ISO/IEC 10646/PDAM 1.2 - Amendment 1.

You asked me to arrange for a German negative vote on that document,
based on your concerns regarding the script called Old Hungarian in
that document.

Please understand the position of the German NB, as expressed in
WG2 N4085:

1.) The script, as any other script, is part of the cultural
inheritance of the whole humankind. Nobody owns it.
The German NB therefore independently requests to encode it
like other scripts, by whatever name.
2.) The German NB is neutral about the name by which the script is
referenced in the standard, as such a name is not more than a
label by which the script can be uniquely identified.
3.) The German NB acknowledges the analysis (WG2 N4064) of the
existing proposals (WG2 N3697, WG2 N4007), which show that
there is a large subset of characters agreed by all experts.
The German NB requests the encoding of these characters.
4.) The German NB also requests the encoding of characters which
obviously are in use, and which cannot be considered as glyph
variants or sequences of other encoded or proposed characters.
5.) The German NB is open to any compromises regarding the name of
the script or individual characters, or to the addition of
further characters.

This position of the German NB was perfectly matched by the Helsinki
meeting, as documented in WG2 N4110.

Thus, Germany will insist of the inclusion of the script in ISO/IEC
10646/PDAM 1.2 and its successor documents, and will oppose any requests
to delay the encoding of the script further.

However, Germany will not oppose any name changes or character
additions which will be agreed upon by the experts in the further
progressing on ISO/IEC 10646/PDAM 1.2.

(As this is a general clarification, I publish this answer on the
 Unicode mailing list.)

Best wishes
Karl




Re: Letter from the Hungarian Standards Institution

2011-09-14 Thread Andrew West
On 14 September 2011 09:41, Karl Pentzlin karl-pentz...@acssoft.de wrote:
 Dear Gábor,
 thank you for your letter regarding ISO/IEC 10646/PDAM 1.2 - Amendment 1.

 You asked me to arrange for a German negative vote on that document,

I received the same letter, via BSI, this morning, and although I
haven't been able to find anything prohibiting canvassing in the
JTC1 directives, it seems to me that to write such a letter to all
NBs on the committee, using language such as I officially request you to
vote No, is highly irregular.

Andrew




Re: Letter from the Hungarian Standards Institution

2011-09-14 Thread Joó Ádám
However unworthy it is, I hereby have to point out the fact that Mr.
Hosszú has only become the member of the Hungarian National Body in
the recent years, following the work started on the encoding of Old
Hungarian in the UCS. Obviously never really delegated by anybody but
asking the university he’s happen to working at to do so, with the
sole purpose to carry out such actions utilizing the seeming authority
such a position provides.

I leave it to the discretion of individual NBs to consider validity of
the aforementioned authority…


Ádám