Re: U+0BA3, U+0BA9

2003-10-26 Thread Asmus Freytag
At 02:08 PM 10/25/03 -0700, Doug Ewell wrote: So, in effect the UNICODE character names attempt to be a unified transliteration scheme for all languages? Are these principles laid down somewhere or is this more informal? The Unicode character names attempt to be (a) unique and (b) reasonably

RE: U+0BA3, U+0BA9

2003-10-26 Thread Jony Rosenne
WG2 had published a guideline to naming characters. Jony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Ewell Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 11:09 PM To: Unicode Mailing List Cc: Peter Jacobi Subject: Re: U+0BA3, U+0BA9 Peter Jacobi

Re: CGJ - Combining Class Override

2003-10-26 Thread Philippe Verdy
From: Jony Rosenne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry, Philippe, I had meant a separate character for a right Meteg, not a separate control character. Does this mean we agree? Jony Yes I agree, but I'm not a Unicode member and have no vote. A separate character with the modified properties does the

Re: U+0BA3, U+0BA9

2003-10-26 Thread Peter Jacobi
Doug, Kenneth, All, I', somewhat confused. I assume I'm lacking a lot of background, but I can't interpolate successfully between your answers: Doug Ewell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Unicode character names attempt to be (a) unique and (b) reasonably mnemonic. Anything beyond that is a

RE: Merging combining classes, was: New contribution N2676

2003-10-26 Thread Jony Rosenne
While the current combining classes may cause some difficulties for Biblical scholars (and this isn't cut and dry yet - it isn't certain whether these are Unicode problem, implementation problems, missing characters or mis-identified characters), I have yet to see a claimed problem with pointed

Re: U+0BA3, U+0BA9

2003-10-26 Thread Doug Ewell
Michael Everson everson at evertype dot com wrote: The Unicode character names attempt to be (a) unique and (b) reasonably mnemonic. Anything beyond that is a bonus. They expressly do *not* represent any form of transliteration or transcription scheme. That doesn't mean that some of our

Re: Merging combining classes, was: New contribution N2676

2003-10-26 Thread Ted Hopp
On Sunday, October 26, 2003 3:51 PM, Jony Rosenne wrote: While the current combining classes may cause some difficulties for Biblical scholars (and this isn't cut and dry yet - it isn't certain whether these are Unicode problem, implementation problems, missing characters or mis-identified

Re: Merging combining classes, was: New contribution N2676

2003-10-26 Thread Philippe Verdy
From: Peter Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] I see the point, but I would think there was something seriously wrong with a database setup which could change its ordering algorithm without somehow declaring all existing indexes invalid. Why would such a SQL engine do so, if what has changed is an

Re: U+0BA3, U+0BA9

2003-10-26 Thread Michael Everson
At 02:08 PM 10/25/03 -0700, Doug Ewell wrote: The Unicode character names attempt to be (a) unique and (b) reasonably mnemonic. Anything beyond that is a bonus. They expressly do *not* represent any form of transliteration or transcription scheme. That doesn't mean that some of our conventions

Re: Merging combining classes, was: New contribution N2676

2003-10-26 Thread Peter Kirk
On 25/10/2003 19:00, Philippe Verdy wrote: From: Peter Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can see that there might be some problems in the changeover phase. But these are basically the same problems as are present anyway, and at least putting them into a changeover phase means that they go away

Re: CGJ - Combining Class Override

2003-10-26 Thread Peter Kirk
On 26/10/2003 01:17, Philippe Verdy wrote: From: Jony Rosenne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry, Philippe, I had meant a separate character for a right Meteg, not a separate control character. Does this mean we agree? Jony Yes I agree, but I'm not a Unicode member and have no vote. A

Re: Merging combining classes, was: New contribution N2676

2003-10-26 Thread Mark E. Shoulson
Jony Rosenne wrote: While the current combining classes may cause some difficulties for Biblical scholars (and this isn't cut and dry yet - it isn't certain whether these are Unicode problem, implementation problems, missing characters or mis-identified characters), I have yet to see a claimed

Re: Traditional dollar sign

2003-10-26 Thread Kevin Brown
On 27/10/03 3:13 AM, Simon Butcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was taught at school that the double-bar form was used when Australia switched to decimal currency in 1966, and that it was incorrect to write the single-bar form when referring to Australian dollars. I guess the single-bar form

RE: Merging combining classes, was: New contribution N2676

2003-10-26 Thread Jony Rosenne
This is, in my opinion, a missing character. Jony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted Hopp Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Merging combining classes, was: New contribution N2676 On

RE: Merging combining classes, was: New contribution N2676

2003-10-26 Thread Jony Rosenne
There is nothing unusual about this. The only problem is that while the Hiriq is between the Lamed and the Mem and belongs to the missing Yod, some people insist that they see two vowels under the Lamed. Jony -Original Message- From: Mark E. Shoulson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

RE: Merging combining classes, was: New contribution N2676

2003-10-26 Thread John Hudson
At 04:37 PM 10/26/2003, Jony Rosenne wrote: There is nothing unusual about this. The only problem is that while the Hiriq is between the Lamed and the Mem and belongs to the missing Yod, some people insist that they see two vowels under the Lamed. No, the problem is not the positioning of the

Re: Traditional dollar sign

2003-10-26 Thread Kevin Brown
Further to my earlier reply to Simon Baker about the correct symbol for the Australian dollar, the official position is documented at http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0/c7103f5100c7663fca2569de00293f3c? OpenDocument. Regarding the currency symbols, the specific recommendation of

Re: Merging combining classes, was: New contribution N2676

2003-10-26 Thread John Hudson
At 07:45 PM 10/26/2003, Mark E. Shoulson wrote: I remembered there was a lot of discussion about this case, which is why I brought it up. Can someone remind me why ZWNBSP would be Bad for this? Wrong RTL coding? (possibly, but it's weak, isn't it) Wrongly indicates a word-break? (this is

Re: Merging combining classes, was: New contribution N2676

2003-10-26 Thread Mark E. Shoulson
I remembered there was a lot of discussion about this case, which is why I brought it up. Can someone remind me why ZWNBSP would be Bad for this? Wrong RTL coding? (possibly, but it's weak, isn't it) Wrongly indicates a word-break? (this is probably a problem.) ~mark John Hudson wrote: At

Re: Traditional dollar sign

2003-10-26 Thread Doug Ewell
Kevin Brown graphity at adelaide dot on dot net wrote: On 27/10/03 3:13 AM, Simon Butcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was taught at school that the double-bar form was used when Australia switched to decimal currency in 1966, and that it was incorrect to write the single-bar form when

Re: Traditional dollar sign

2003-10-26 Thread jameskass
. John Cowan wrote, ... the coins say ONE CENT, FIVE CENTS (the name nickel is informal), ONE DIME, and QUARTER DOLLAR. And HALF DOLLAR and ONE DOLLAR. In 1883, the U. S. Mint changed the design on the five cent piece. The word CENTS was omitted from the new design, and the Roman numeral V

[OT by now] Re: Traditional dollar sign

2003-10-26 Thread Doug Ewell
John Cowan cowan at mercury dot ccil dot org wrote: I can't speak for the whole of the last two centuries, but certainly current American bills and coins do not use either symbol. The bills in common use say ONE DOLLAR, FIVE DOLLARS, TEN DOLLARS, and TWENTY DOLLARS; the coins say ONE CENT,