Re: HEAVY EQUALS SIGN
On 12/20/2019 7:17 AM, wjgo_10...@btinternet.com via Unicode wrote: It is indeed interesting that the Notice of Non-Approval itself uses italics for emphasis in two places. That text, at the present time, cannot be expressed in Unicode plain text with the emphasis that the Notice of Non-Approval includes. ... which was /precisely /the point. I'm glad you noticed. --Ken
Re: HEAVY EQUALS SIGN
On the matter of my document proposing using Variation Selector 14 for requesting an italic glyph for a letter, Unicode Inc. has also published a Notice of Non-Approval. https://www.unicode.org/alloc/nonapprovals.html It is indeed interesting that the Notice of Non-Approval itself uses italics for emphasis in two places. That text, at the present time, cannot be expressed in Unicode plain text with the emphasis that the Notice of Non-Approval includes. Readers of my two original documents on the topic may like to observe that I did not in any way suggest that the specialised italic characters for some mathematical uses are a precedent for the proposal that I submitted. Here is a link to a PDF (Portable Document Format) document produced earlier today of a song that I wrote earlier this year that mentions italics. http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/a_song_of_typography.pdf I still consider that the proposal is a good idea, but the decision has been emphatically made, so I have moved on. William Overington Friday 20 December 2019
Re: HEAVY EQUALS SIGN
On 2019-12-18 12:42 PM, Marius Spix via Unicode wrote: Unicode has a HEAVY PLUS SIGN (U+2795) and a HEAVY MINUS SIGN (U+2796). I wonder, if a HEAVY EQUALS SIGN could complete that character set. This would allow emoji phrases like 🐈 ➕👨= ❤️. (man plus cat equals love) looking typographically better, when you replace the equals sign with a new HEAVY EQUALS SIGN character. Thoughts? Marius 🐈 ➕ 👨 ⚌ ❤️
Re: HEAVY EQUALS SIGN
On Wednesday, December 18, 2019 9:43:06 PM PST Joao S. O. Bueno via Unicode wrote: > Maybe it would make more sense to try and check whether modification > combining characters to shift the change the combined character into other > weight/decoration/color and/or other character effects could be built, that > could be used not only along emoji, but with all other characters. > > Currently those transforms require the use of another text protocol, like > HTML, or ANSI sequences for terminal, or even proprietary and add-hoc text > file structures like Microsoft's .doc and .rtf (and other not that > proprietary, but equally dependant on specific software to be proper > rendered, like .ooxml and .odf). > > Does anyone know if there is already an initiative like that? I'd like to > know more about it. There was a request like this, and it was first recommended for rejection by the Script Ad Hoc committee, and was then rejected by the Unicode Technical Committee. It wasn't for bold, it was for italic, but the reasons for its rejection apply broadly to bold, rotalic, etc. The request was L2/19-063, “A proposal for encoding italics in plain text using Variation Selector 14,” by William Overington, submitted 2019-02-07. Deborah Anderson, et al., recommended the request for rejection in L2/19-173, “Recommendations to UTC #159 April-May 2019 on Script Proposals”. In practice, although the UTC has the power to ignore their recommendation, they rarely ever do. Overington tried to answer some of their concerns in L2/19-195, “Comments on comments about L2/19-063 Italics in Plain Text”. His comments did not sway the UTC and the UTC rejected the request. https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2019/19122.htm#159-C24 It's not worth writing another request for generic bold/italic in plaintext for any glyph in my humble opinion. The UTC and its subcommittees are opposed. I agree with them, so do many others. Best, Fred Brennan
Re: HEAVY EQUALS SIGN
I think that as your object is emoji drawing, not mathematics, this request can't be justified that way. Maybe it would make more sense to try and check whether modification combining characters to shift the change the combined character into other weight/decoration/color and/or other character effects could be built, that could be used not only along emoji, but with all other characters. Currently those transforms require the use of another text protocol, like HTML, or ANSI sequences for terminal, or even proprietary and add-hoc text file structures like Microsoft's .doc and .rtf (and other not that proprietary, but equally dependant on specific software to be proper rendered, like .ooxml and .odf). Since modificator characters for color and others have been tried and tested in Unicode land for some emojis, the ball to have in-unicode proper character transforms could start to roll - Does anyone know if there is already an initiative like that? I'd like to know more about it. (as for the O.P.: I think the way out for you now is to use an out-of-unicode markup to select a heavier-looking font for the `+` and `=` characters) js -><- On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 at 09:42, Marius Spix via Unicode wrote: > Unicode has a HEAVY PLUS SIGN (U+2795) and a HEAVY MINUS SIGN (U+2796). > I wonder, if a HEAVY EQUALS SIGN could complete that character set. > This would allow emoji phrases like 🐈 ➕👨= ❤️. (man plus cat equals > love) looking typographically better, when you replace the equals sign > with a new HEAVY EQUALS SIGN character. Thoughts? > > Marius >
