Re: Not accepted by UTC but in ISO ballot?

2019-12-27 Thread Ken Whistler via Unicode

Shriramana,

That category is used to track character(s) in process that may have 
been approved by WG2 but are not yet in ballot, or are in contention, 
and may have just been dropped from ballot, but which still have 
sufficient visibility to be tracked.


The process is a bit rough around the edges when dealing with two 
separate committees with asynchronous processes and not all of whose 
members have unanimous agreement about what they are moving forward on. 
The pipeline is a means of tracking various status as the committees 
work to synchronize their eventual publications of new repertoire.


--Ken

On 12/27/2019 7:06 AM, Shriramana Sharma via Unicode wrote:
Now I'm wondering about the similar category "not accepted by UTC, and 
not in ISO ballot" – why such a character would be mentioned on the 
pipeline at all…


Re: Not accepted by UTC but in ISO ballot?

2019-12-27 Thread Shriramana Sharma via Unicode
Hello Ken and thanks for the reply. So I understand that the need for this
category is rare but occurs nevertheless.

Now I'm wondering about the similar category "not accepted by UTC, and not
in ISO ballot" – why such a character would be mentioned on the pipeline at
all…

On Fri, 27 Dec, 2019, 07:19 Ken Whistler,  wrote:

> Shriramana,
>
> On 12/20/2019 6:29 PM, Shriramana Sharma via Unicode wrote:
> > I was looking at the pipeline for something else, and for the first
> > time I see a character category: “not accepted by the UTC but in ISO
> > ballot” and two characters in it.
> Those two characters changed status as of December 4, when the
> disposition of comments for CD3 was posted. They will not be part of the
> DIS ballot. The pipeline has now been updated to reflect that change of
> status.
> >
> > So IIUC while technically people are free to submit a document to the
> > ISO separately without submitting to UTC, it has always been the
> > practice to my knowledge to get a character approved by the UTC first.
>
> That is a preferred process, but doesn't always occur. The most obvious
> exception is that large new CJK repertoire additions are developed by
> the IRG and often go into ballot in ISO before the UTC takes a formal
> decision to approve them. CJK Extension G has now been approved for 13.0
> by the UTC, but the entire block was listed in the pipeline for some
> time as "not accepted by UTC, but in active ISO technical ballot" once
> Extension G went into CD balloting.
>
> --Ken
>
>


Re: Not accepted by UTC but in ISO ballot?

2019-12-26 Thread Ken Whistler via Unicode

Shriramana,

On 12/20/2019 6:29 PM, Shriramana Sharma via Unicode wrote:

I was looking at the pipeline for something else, and for the first
time I see a character category: “not accepted by the UTC but in ISO
ballot” and two characters in it.
Those two characters changed status as of December 4, when the 
disposition of comments for CD3 was posted. They will not be part of the 
DIS ballot. The pipeline has now been updated to reflect that change of 
status.


So IIUC while technically people are free to submit a document to the
ISO separately without submitting to UTC, it has always been the
practice to my knowledge to get a character approved by the UTC first.


That is a preferred process, but doesn't always occur. The most obvious 
exception is that large new CJK repertoire additions are developed by 
the IRG and often go into ballot in ISO before the UTC takes a formal 
decision to approve them. CJK Extension G has now been approved for 13.0 
by the UTC, but the entire block was listed in the pipeline for some 
time as "not accepted by UTC, but in active ISO technical ballot" once 
Extension G went into CD balloting.


--Ken