Re: [Usability] Control Center Appearance Capplet

2007-05-09 Thread Thomas Wood
Firstly, apologies for the dely in replying. I often miss e-mails if I am not explicitly included in the recipient list! On 18/04/07 17:53, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: [...] > > I also think people will change their background picture far more often > than they change anything else in the window

Re: [Usability] Control Center Appearance Capplet

2007-04-22 Thread Jacob Beauregard
On Sunday 22 April 2007 02:36:52 pm Ritesh Khadgaray wrote: > On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 16:05 +0100, Thomas Wood wrote: > > On 04/16/2007 03:56 PM, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 02:57:31PM +0100, Thomas Wood wrote: > > >> http://live.gnome.org/ControlCenter/AppearanceSettings > >

Re: [Usability] Control Center Appearance Capplet

2007-04-22 Thread Ritesh Khadgaray
On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 16:05 +0100, Thomas Wood wrote: > On 04/16/2007 03:56 PM, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 02:57:31PM +0100, Thomas Wood wrote: > > > >> http://live.gnome.org/ControlCenter/AppearanceSettings > > > > Theme selection doesn't affect Fonts, Desktop and Options,

Re: [Usability] Control Center Appearance Capplet

2007-04-20 Thread Calum Benson
On Fri, 2007-04-20 at 16:15 +1200, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > In a window like this one, so little of it would benefit from resizing > (only two tabs out of five) that the overall pain of accidental > resizing might well be greater than the overall benefit from > resizability. I'd want to se

Re: [Usability] Control Center Appearance Capplet

2007-04-19 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
On Apr 17, 2007, at 3:31 AM, Calum Benson wrote: > ... > I don't think it's too hard to argue that metacity's "no maximise on > dialogs" theory is somewhat flawed. Any window that benefits from > resizing should be maximisable IMHO, In a window like this one, so little of it would benefit from re

Re: [Usability] Control Center Appearance Capplet

2007-04-19 Thread Denis Washington
Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > On Apr 19, 2007, at 4:53 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > >> On Apr 17, 2007, at 1:57 AM, Thomas Wood wrote: >> ... >> >>> http://live.gnome.org/ControlCenter/AppearanceSettings >>> >> ... >> >>> The themes tab provides a way of saving and apply a pa

Re: [Usability] Control Center Appearance Capplet

2007-04-19 Thread Thomas Wood
On 19/04/07 13:57, Calum Benson wrote: > On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 19:21 +0100, Thomas Wood wrote: > >> Maybe we get some of these things with the new Xrandr? I haven't been >> following it too closely. The problem I can see here though, is that >> Display may not be an obvious place to look for whe

Re: [Usability] Control Center Appearance Capplet

2007-04-19 Thread Calum Benson
On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 19:21 +0100, Thomas Wood wrote: > Maybe we get some of these things with the new Xrandr? I haven't been > following it too closely. The problem I can see here though, is that > Display may not be an obvious place to look for when wanting to set font > options. I agree, es

Re: [Usability] Control Center Appearance Capplet

2007-04-19 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
On Apr 19, 2007, at 4:53 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > > On Apr 17, 2007, at 1:57 AM, Thomas Wood wrote: > ... >> http://live.gnome.org/ControlCenter/AppearanceSettings > ... >> The themes tab provides a way of saving and apply a particular group >> of appearance settings. > ... >> This means i

Re: [Usability] Control Center Appearance Capplet

2007-04-18 Thread Thomas Wood
On 18/04/07 18:47, Calum Benson wrote: > On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 16:23 +0100, Thomas Wood wrote: > >> Either that, or including the remaining options in the theme. For those >> on the "Options" tab it might make sense as some themes might want to >> specify if icons are shown in buttons for exampl

Re: [Usability] Control Center Appearance Capplet

2007-04-18 Thread Calum Benson
On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 16:23 +0100, Thomas Wood wrote: > Either that, or including the remaining options in the theme. For those > on the "Options" tab it might make sense as some themes might want to > specify if icons are shown in buttons for example. However, it obviously > doesn't make much

Re: [Usability] Control Center Appearance Capplet

2007-04-18 Thread Shaun McCance
Picking and choosing the parts I want to reply to. On Thu, 2007-04-19 at 04:53 +1200, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > Another approach would be to have a narrow vertical list of themes with > previews (each theme name under its preview) down the left, with the > tabs for adjusting the current theme

Re: [Usability] Control Center Appearance Capplet

2007-04-18 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
On Apr 17, 2007, at 1:57 AM, Thomas Wood wrote: > > I'm currently looking at integrating the various appearance settings > throughout GNOME into a single "Appearance Settings" application for > the control center. Excellent! That's the best news I've read all week. :-) > I have made some mockups

Re: [Usability] Control Center Appearance Capplet

2007-04-17 Thread Thomas Wood
On 04/16/2007 04:31 PM, Calum Benson wrote: > On Mon, 2007-04-16 at 14:57 +0100, Thomas Wood wrote: > >> I am not sure >> if the advice in the HIG applies to this, as it is (or should be) fairly >> obvious that changing to a different theme will affect options not shown >> on the current tab. >

Re: [Usability] Control Center Appearance Capplet

2007-04-17 Thread Thomas Wood
On 04/16/2007 09:57 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: > Hey Thomas, > > On Mon, 2007-04-16 at 14:57 +0100, Thomas Wood wrote: >> I'm currently looking at integrating the various appearance settings >> throughout GNOME into a single "Appearance Settings" application for the >> control center. >> >> I hav

Re: [Usability] Control Center Appearance Capplet

2007-04-17 Thread Denis Washington
Hello, >> I am not sure >> if the advice in the HIG applies to this, as it is (or should be) fairly >> obvious that changing to a different theme will affect options not shown >> on the current tab. > I wouldn't say that's necessarily true, especially as not all the other > tabs (e.g. Options)

Re: [Usability] Control Center Appearance Capplet

2007-04-17 Thread Thomas Wood
On 04/16/2007 03:56 PM, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 02:57:31PM +0100, Thomas Wood wrote: > >> http://live.gnome.org/ControlCenter/AppearanceSettings > > Theme selection doesn't affect Fonts, Desktop and Options, right? > There should be some seperation between Themes and Appea

Re: [Usability] Control Center Appearance Capplet

2007-04-17 Thread Neil
On 04/17/2007 03:30 AM, Frederic Crozat wrote: > Le lundi 16 avril 2007 à 21:57 +0100, Bastien Nocera a écrit : > > >>> Undo and Redo >>> >>> There has been some suggestion on the control center list that we might >>> like to include Undo/Redo or Revert buttons in the capplets[4], It would >>>

Re: [Usability] Control Center Appearance Capplet

2007-04-17 Thread Frederic Crozat
Le lundi 16 avril 2007 à 21:57 +0100, Bastien Nocera a écrit : > > Undo and Redo > > > > There has been some suggestion on the control center list that we might > > like to include Undo/Redo or Revert buttons in the capplets[4], It would > > be useful to get some input into the usability/access

Re: [Usability] Control Center Appearance Capplet

2007-04-16 Thread Bastien Nocera
Hey Thomas, On Mon, 2007-04-16 at 14:57 +0100, Thomas Wood wrote: > I'm currently looking at integrating the various appearance settings > throughout GNOME into a single "Appearance Settings" application for the > control center. > > I have made some mockups, which can be seen here: > http://li

Re: [Usability] Control Center Appearance Capplet

2007-04-16 Thread Jacob Beauregard
Thank you for approaching a problem that I've had with GNOME. I think Benson makes some good points. Making sure the mental models that a user will create as a result of modifying appearance will be clear rather than overlapping is very important. This is actually one problem that I've seen usin

Re: [Usability] Control Center Appearance Capplet

2007-04-16 Thread Calum Benson
On Mon, 2007-04-16 at 14:57 +0100, Thomas Wood wrote: > I am not sure > if the advice in the HIG applies to this, as it is (or should be) fairly > obvious that changing to a different theme will affect options not shown > on the current tab. I wouldn't say that's necessarily true, especially a

Re: [Usability] Control Center Appearance Capplet

2007-04-16 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 02:57:31PM +0100, Thomas Wood wrote: > http://live.gnome.org/ControlCenter/AppearanceSettings Theme selection doesn't affect Fonts, Desktop and Options, right? There should be some seperation between Themes and Appearance, then. If the user selects a theme and then alters

[Usability] Control Center Appearance Capplet

2007-04-16 Thread Thomas Wood
I'm currently looking at integrating the various appearance settings throughout GNOME into a single "Appearance Settings" application for the control center. I have made some mockups, which can be seen here: http://live.gnome.org/ControlCenter/AppearanceSettings We've discussed these on the co