Re: What if....

2013-01-29 Thread Paul Hibbert
On 2013-01-28, at 11:40 PM, Thierry Douez wrote: which with my little understanding they should not (case 1 should be true) ! Sorry, just re-read your reply and realised I skipped this, if false or true and false then Condition 1 (if false) returns false Condition 2 (true AND false) also

Re: good practise on handling menues on Mac?

2013-01-29 Thread Paul Hibbert
To follow up… I fired up Parallels for some experimenting on Windows and found out that the Set as stack Menu bar check box in the Menu Builder does have an effect on the Menubar, at least on Win 7. It adds a background decoration to the Menubar, but that only shows for the width of the

Re: What if....

2013-01-29 Thread Thierry Douez
2013/1/29 Paul Hibbert l...@pbh.on-rev.com Sorry, just re-read your reply and realised I skipped this, At last, I get it. My concern was not about how you write the if in LC, but about the evaluation of the logical expressions, the order of precedence and commutativity. Obviously, I was

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Richmond
On 29/01/13 11:35, Heather Laine wrote: Dear List Members, We are hugely excited to be launching this project today: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode Join our campaign to make a full version of LiveCode that is free and open for everybody to

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Monte Goulding
Well I think that's probably the most expensive shirt I'll ever buy but I can't wait to get it. Good work RunRev! http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Mark Schonewille
Dear Heather, This sound really, really interesting. Could you please explain how this would be free for everyone except professionals under GPL 3? AFAIK, open source means free (as in free speech) for everyone, including professionals. Are you using your own version of the GPL? -- Best

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Dirk prive
Dual license. See MySQL for an example of this. Free for everyone, but needs commercial license for commercial use. No need for a seperate version of the GPL, it's dual licensed. PS: professionals are probably able to use it for free under GPL3 as well as long as they release their source code

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Kevin Miller
Hi Mark, It is GPL3, we are not modifying the license. It will be free for a wide variety of professional uses (e.g. in house software) but there are some you will need to pay for, such as creating closed source software to sell or accessing technical support. See the FAQ page link on the

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Monte Goulding
On 29/01/2013, at 8:52 PM, Mark Schonewille m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com wrote: This sound really, really interesting. Could you please explain how this would be free for everyone except professionals under GPL 3? AFAIK, open source means free (as in free speech) for everyone,

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Heather Laine
Dear Mark, We will be offering a dual license. You can use the GPL license and release your source code, or you can purchase a commercial license and continue to publish closed source apps. Regards, Heather On 29 Jan 2013, at 09:52, Mark Schonewille wrote: Dear Heather, This sound

AW: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Tiemo Hollmann TB
Perhaps I didn't cared too much about open source and GPL3 in the past and I don't understand it correct, but could somebody explain to me, what the benefit for runrev is on this project, beside getting glory and honor? How can runrev survive, if a great bunch of developers go to gpl and don't pay

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Björnke von Gierke
The idea is to get a lot more open source using customers compared to the user base right now. That should also increasing the commercial versions sold greatly. They'll probably change the store to include other, upscale versions of licenses. For example mySQL doesn't even have a price. You

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Monte Goulding
A little warning folks. You need to manually add the shipping if your outside the UK. Kickstarter doesn't do it for you. If you've already pledged you can go back in and adjust it. Just a thought... @RunRev have you considered having pickup at the conference as an option? Cheers Monte --

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Kevin Miller
We haven't put it in but I don't see any reason not to allow that - just drop us a line if that's what you want to do. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Unleash Your Killer App On 29/01/2013 10:36, Monte Goulding

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Björnke von Gierke
Weird, it added it for me.. it probably has a db of ip-locations, and yours isn't in it? On 29.01.2013, at 11:36, Monte Goulding wrote: A little warning folks. You need to manually add the shipping if your outside the UK. Kickstarter doesn't do it for you. If you've already pledged you can

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Monte Goulding
On 29/01/2013, at 9:43 PM, Björnke von Gierke b...@mac.com wrote: Weird, it added it for me.. it probably has a db of ip-locations, and yours isn't in it? Lol.. Taswhere? -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that!

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Björnke von Gierke
On 29.01.2013, at 11:44, Monte Goulding wrote: On 29/01/2013, at 9:43 PM, Björnke von Gierke b...@mac.com wrote: Weird, it added it for me.. it probably has a db of ip-locations, and yours isn't in it? Lol.. Taswhere? I'm sorry, i didn't catch what you meant, can you elaborate a bit

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Monte Goulding
On 29/01/2013, at 9:45 PM, Björnke von Gierke b...@mac.com wrote: Weird, it added it for me.. it probably has a db of ip-locations, and yours isn't in it? Lol.. Taswhere? I'm sorry, i didn't catch what you meant, can you elaborate a bit more? I live in Tasmania... -- Monte Goulding

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Björnke von Gierke
Localisation based on ip address is notoriously hard and failure prone. There's no telling which IP will be recognized correctly, which will be miss-placed and which will be unrecogised. That is also why I hate auto-redirects based on locality so much (besides the fact that they create walled

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Monte Goulding
On 29/01/2013, at 9:46 PM, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote: There is a fee that is automatically added to your pledge, that is identical in amount to the shipping cost. If goodies can be picked up in Edinburgh then I guess that amount could be removed from your pledge. Would be funny

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Mark Schonewille
Thanks Kevin, that's good to know. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour

Re: [OSSLC] so far so good...

2013-01-29 Thread Björnke von Gierke
I like graphs: http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode/ mirroring to use, as per previously discussed. On 29.01.2013, at 14:11, Colin Holgate wrote: This isn't to say that I'm obsessed or anything, but: on opencard checklatest send checklatest

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Pierre Sahores
Dear Kevin, Heather and Team, Just to say : thanks for being able to purpose this strategic and very courageous double-license paradigm orientation. An announced great success at work. Makes me, again and again, so proud the belong to this incredibly creative dev community. Back to you after

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread René Micout
News from France : http://www.mac4ever.com/actu/77182_l-outil-de-developpement-livecode-bientot-en-open-source Le 29 janv. 2013 à 11:40, Kevin Miller ke...@runrev.com a écrit : We haven't put it in but I don't see any reason not to allow that - just drop us a line if that's what you want to

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread David C.
We are hugely excited to be launching this project today: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode Hey folks, For existing customers, what is the effective date for requiring that an application be released open sourced versus commercial as usual? Also,

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Kevin Miller
Yes existing licenses remain the same until the end of their term. Existing perpetual licenses are just that - perpetual. You can see more details in the FAQ http://runrev.com/home/ks1/?preview Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Unleash Your

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Shawn Blc
What about this (see the *bold* area)? I have a commercial license. From what I remember when I purchased it I could create, edit applications and distribute applications for as long as I wanted UNTIL I decided to upgrade. See below. The commercial version will be available as an annual

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread David C.
Thank you very much for the prompt reply, Kevin, ...however, I'm not quite sure that the FAQ addresses my concern, or at least it still seems a bit unclear. From the FAQ: We will continue to honor your existing license terms until its expiry date. Once it expires you will be invited to renew with

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Heather Laine
Dear David, What you own is yours. If you have purchased (say) a LiveCode 4.5 license, under our existing perpetual license EULA, that EULA applies to that license. You will always be able to build closed source apps using LiveCode 4.5 (as long as you have hardware that will run it and its

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Andrew Kluthe
I had just paid for three years of commercial updates to livecode complete. Will I get the updates I paid for to the new commercial license for that time period? regards, Andrew Kluthe On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Heather Laine heat...@runrev.com wrote: Dear David, What you own is

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread David C.
Thank you very much, Heather! ...that is simple and plain enough. Regards, David C. On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Heather Laine heat...@runrev.com wrote: Dear David, What you own is yours. If you have purchased (say) a LiveCode 4.5 license, under our existing perpetual license EULA, that

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Shawn Blc
Heather, that answered my question too, however my license is 5.5, which was purchased June 1st, 2012. On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Heather Laine heat...@runrev.com wrote: Dear David, What you own is yours. If you have purchased (say) a LiveCode 4.5 license, under our existing

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Kevin Miller
That's correct. Unlike the pay as you go licenses which are essentially software rental, the perpetual license is just that - perpetual. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Unleash Your Killer App On 29/01/2013 15:08, Shawn Blc

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Kevin Miller
If it is a perpetual license, as opposed to one of the newer pay as you go licenses, it never expires. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Unleash Your Killer App On 29/01/2013 15:09, David C. davidoco...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you very

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Colin Holgate
What happens if you did a change of license? Like, if I was perpetual up to version 5.5, but pay as you go from 5.5.1, would I be able to use 5.5, but not 5.5.1? On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:33 AM, Kevin Miller ke...@runrev.com wrote: If it is a perpetual license, as opposed to one of the newer

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Kevin Miller
Yes absolutely. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Unleash Your Killer App On 29/01/2013 15:29, Andrew Kluthe and...@ctech.me wrote: I had just paid for three years of commercial updates to livecode complete. Will I get the updates I paid

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Mike Bonner
Wow, this will teach me to go to sleep! Kevin, Heather, everyone at runrev THANK YOU! I'll be seeing what I can scrounge up to help, and will point the 1 other person I know who might be interested towards the website. Thanks! ___ use-livecode

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Heather Laine
Erm. The question as it stands does not compute Colin :). You can't have 5.5 and not 5.5.1, you always get those minor releases with your major version. However, if we rephrase it, suppose you had a perpetual 5.0 license, but then instead of updating it purchased a PAYG license, what would

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread David C.
Dear List Members, We are hugely excited to be launching this project today: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode To the RunRev team and community, Unless something significant changes in the next few days, current circumstances will not allow me

[OT] Just watched Buzz Aldrin on an event here in Brazil

2013-01-29 Thread Andre Garzia
Hey Folks, I am at Campus Party (http://www.campus-party.com.br ) in Brazil and our first speaker today was Buzz Aldrin. He told us his lifes adventures and how a group of dedicated people can join and accomplish marvelous things together. His whole session about collaboration and common goals

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Colin Holgate
Won't the $499 a year still effectively be a pay as you go license? On Jan 29, 2013, at 11:02 AM, Heather Laine heat...@runrev.com wrote: We will be discontinuing the PAYG license types once we go dual license, so no new purchases of this will be possible.

Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread Colin Holgate
I have a script running that tells me where the KickStarter amount is at, and I've been watching for it going over £10k. Well, just now it did that, but went straight to £14,730. The latest pledge was someone who wants to spend two days with Mark. Don't worry Kevin, someone will want you too, I

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread Devin Asay
On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:44 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: I have a script running that tells me where the KickStarter amount is at, and I've been watching for it going over £10k. Well, just now it did that, but went straight to £14,730. The latest pledge was someone who wants to spend two days

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread Kevin Miller
Haha. Shunned, I know! :) I guess I'm less technically involved these days and our backer wants to talk some serious tech geek. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Unleash Your Killer App On 29/01/2013 18:08, Devin Asay devin_a...@byu.edu

Re: [OSSLC] so far so good...

2013-01-29 Thread Ben Rubinstein
But what both of you miss by not going direct to the source is seeing names of random backers - I've just seen that Cory Doctorow has backed it, which - if he also blogs it - massively enhances the chances of success. On 29/01/2013 13:15, Björnke von Gierke wrote: I like graphs:

Re: [OSSLC] so far so good...

2013-01-29 Thread David Bovill
Cory LiveCode? Well I never. On 29 January 2013 18:19, Ben Rubinstein benr...@cogapp.com wrote: But what both of you miss by not going direct to the source is seeing names of random backers - I've just seen that Cory Doctorow has backed it, which - if he also blogs it - massively enhances the

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 1/29/13 12:22 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: Haha. Shunned, I know! :) I guess I'm less technically involved these days and our backer wants to talk some serious tech geek. I want both of you. And you could throw in a few other team members too. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay |

Re: What if....

2013-01-29 Thread Peter M. Brigham
One situation when the order of evaluation is important is if you have conditions that limit the scope of a general handler, eg: if field is in the target and the locktext of the target = true then… In this case the first clause is evaluated first, and if the target is something other than a

Re: [OSSLC] so far so good...

2013-01-29 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Ben Rubinstein benr...@cogapp.com wrote: But what both of you miss by not going direct to the source is seeing names of random backers True. But the pleasant dinging sound in the background that Colin's code provides makes you smile every 5 minutes :-) --

Re: Now illegal to unlock your cellphone (U.S.)

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
I was shocked to find out that far fewer people are killed with semi-automatic rifles (called Assault weapons) than with hammers or baseball bats. No one would ever think of even registering who has a hammer or baseball bat! Never mind making them illegal. New laws will solve nothing. If it

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread Colin Holgate
Ben is up for grabs too. I mean, in general, nothing to do with KickStarter… On Jan 29, 2013, at 1:36 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: On 1/29/13 12:22 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: Haha. Shunned, I know! :) I guess I'm less technically involved these days and our backer wants to

iOS: native picker wheel

2013-01-29 Thread Chris Sheffield
I'm aware of mobilePick and, while it works nicely, it's not quite the behavior I want. Does anyone know of a way to get a native picker wheel available in the interface at all times, much like some of the other native controls are? One example of this is Apple's Clock app. If you go to the

Re: Now illegal to unlock your cellphone (U.S.)

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
Oh great Jacque! There goes my soapbox! Thanks a lot!!! ;-) Bob On Jan 27, 2013, at 11:23 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: This puts a bit more perspective on it: http://www.androidcentral.com/what-you-need-know-abut-cell-phone-unlocking -- Jacqueline Landman Gay

Re: Apology for 'Challenging new property inspector'

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
I think honest mistakes are recognized as such, but I mainly wanted to prevent even more unwitting emails that may have divulged more than this one did. Bob On Jan 27, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Sumner, Walt wrote: Hi, folks, I clearly posted a message to the wrong list last week, starting a bit

Re: Apology for 'Challenging new property inspector'

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
Thanks to you guys, all the good rocks are taken. I can only stand here on idiot street and get rained on. Bob On Jan 27, 2013, at 5:32 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: Me too, but I still peep out from under my rock every now and then. Pete ___

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread Richard Gaskin
How much do we have to contribute for a day of shopping with Jo as our personal style consultant? Not all of us dress as well as Scott Rossi. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers:

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread Andre Garzia
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.comwrote: How much do we have to contribute for a day of shopping with Jo as our personal style consultant? I must say that the day that Jo took me shopping in the U.K. for a suit was wonderful and that suit is the best

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
I hear the devil's from there. groan Bob On Jan 29, 2013, at 2:48 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: On 29/01/2013, at 9:45 PM, Björnke von Gierke b...@mac.com wrote: Weird, it added it for me.. it probably has a db of ip-locations, and yours isn't in it? Lol.. Taswhere? I'm sorry, i

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
There's a perpetual license?? How do I get one of those?? Bob On Jan 29, 2013, at 6:52 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: Yes existing licenses remain the same until the end of their term. Existing perpetual licenses are just that - perpetual. You can see more details in the FAQ

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
Oh never mind I already have that!! I thot it meant Lifetime Renewal! I would probably have gone for that! Bob On Jan 29, 2013, at 7:32 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: That's correct. Unlike the pay as you go licenses which are essentially software rental, the perpetual license is just that -

Re: What if....

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
Yes. You can do stuff in between the conditionals in example 2 whereas you cannot in example one. Bob On Jan 27, 2013, at 10:39 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: Musings about complex if statements on this Sunday morning Lets say you have a complex if statement with 4 conditions that must all

Re: What if....

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
Doesn't matter. It's like saying 1 + 2 + (3 + 4). That is why they use + as the AND operator in boolean logic. Bob On Jan 27, 2013, at 10:39 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: The manual says the grouping operator (parens) has the highest precedence so does this mean (cond3 and cond4) will be

Re: What if....

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
I should rephrase that. If condition 1 and/or 2 involve long time consuming evaluations, there would be an advantage the putting conditions 3 and 4 in parens, since they would be evaluated first, saving time in some instances. But the way to do that is put your time consuming evaluations last

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Shawn Blc
If we keep on this track our KS project will be over £700,000! Awesome! Being a little optimistic here --- Looking forward to being part of the largest funded KS project ever! On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Robert Sneidar slylab...@me.com wrote: Oh never mind I already have that!!

Re: What if....

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
False 1! False 2! Got it 3! Got it 4! Off the top of my head. Bob On Jan 28, 2013, at 4:36 AM, Thierry Douez wrote: Hi Peter, 2013/1/27 Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com Musings about complex if statements on this Sunday morning... if cond1 and cond2 and cond3 and cond4 then. if

Re: What if....

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
It's order of precedence. AND before OR. Bob On Jan 28, 2013, at 9:33 PM, Thierry Douez wrote: Hi Jacques, Thanks for testing. Umm, I don't have the correct answers. The first test gives me False, which should be the same as the fourth case which gives True! Or, did I miss

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Björnke von Gierke
On 29.01.2013, at 20:54, Shawn Blc wrote: If we keep on this track our KS project will be over £700,000! Awesome! Being a little optimistic here --- Looking forward to being part of the largest funded KS project ever! uhm... just saying:

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Shawn Blc
Björnke, it'd be awesome wouldn't it? Talking about being optimistic!!! On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Björnke von Gierke b...@mac.com wrote: On 29.01.2013, at 20:54, Shawn Blc wrote: If we keep on this track our KS project will be over £700,000! Awesome! Being a little

Re: What if....

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
if false and false or true then becomes: if (false and false) or true then becomes: if false or true then becomes: if true then answer Got it 4! You are thinking of false and true as individual statements and they are not. The whole condition is one statement. Or if you like, the ands are

Re: What if....

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
I believe if you change that to or, you will throw an error. Or at least you should! Thinking about this, it may be simpler to think of AND comparisons a single expressions and OR comparisons as delimiting multiple expressions. In a SINGLE LOGICAL EXPRESSION evaluation will terminate when a

Re: Now illegal to unlock your cellphone (U.S.)

2013-01-29 Thread Peter Haworth
Sorry, but I can't let that pass. Every time the subject of gun control comes up in the press, completely unfounded statements are thrown around by the like of the NRA and others who are against gun control, and the baseball bat/hammer is one of them. According to the FBI 2011 stats, weapons

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
Both of them together? Hmmm... that will put you out 10,000 quatloos at least! They would probably toss in the other team members as a bonus though. Bob On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:36 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 1/29/13 12:22 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: Haha. Shunned, I know! :) I guess I'm less

Re: Apology for 'Challenging new property inspector'

2013-01-29 Thread Mark Wieder
Bob- Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 11:07:28 AM, you wrote: I think honest mistakes are recognized as such, but I mainly wanted to prevent even more unwitting emails that may have divulged more than this one did. ... wait for it ... what? there's more? -- -Mark Wieder

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Peter M. Brigham
Is it like the perpetual care arrangements in cemeteries? Does that mean that your descendants get updates forever? -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Jan 29, 2013, at 2:39 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: There's a perpetual license?? How do I get one of

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread Mark Wieder
Pete- Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 12:03:29 PM, you wrote: Let's make him feel better by putting a link on our web sites to the Kickstarter project. Just added it to my page www.lcsql.com. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com Brilliant. Now I have some editing to do. -- -Mark Wieder

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
It's my experience in life that almost nothing is linear. It will be important for all of us to get the word out (which I suppose we should have been doing all along). I have posted on my Facebook page and alerted people at my (former) place of employment. Bob On Jan 29, 2013, at 11:54 AM,

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread Mark Wieder
Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 10:22:00 AM, Kevin wrote: Haha. Shunned, I know! :) I guess I'm less technically involved these days and our backer wants to talk some serious tech geek. Having spent some one-on-one time with Kevin (priceless), I can say that anyone who thinks he's not in the

Re: [OSSLC] so far so good...

2013-01-29 Thread Mark Wieder
Ben- Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 10:19:39 AM, you wrote: But what both of you miss by not going direct to the source is seeing names of random backers - I've just seen that Cory Doctorow has backed it, which - if he also blogs it - massively enhances the chances of success. Cory backed the

Re: Now illegal to unlock your cellphone (U.S.)

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
Peter, I said Assault Weapons, or as some call them Semi-automatic rifles. Handguns are a whole other matter. The majority of handgun murders are committed by known gang members in inner cities. My point is, making guns illegal is not going to stop these people from getting guns, anymore than

Re: [OSSLC] so far so good...

2013-01-29 Thread Colin Holgate
Note though that the sound only plays if the number has changed. So, it's more of an occasional treat. Not too occasional I hope. On Jan 29, 2013, at 1:52 PM, Trevor DeVore li...@mangomultimedia.com wrote: True. But the pleasant dinging sound in the background that Colin's code provides

Re: [OSSLC] so far so good...

2013-01-29 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote: Note though that the sound only plays if the number has changed. So, it's more of an occasional treat. Not too occasional I hope. The number is changing so quickly I hear beeps almost every check :-) I turned it into a

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread Mark Wieder
Colin- Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 12:40:08 PM, you wrote: At the end of the KickStarter process you're invited to post on Twitter and Facebook, which I did. Don't think I'll get as many visits as Pete's home page though! Of course, there are still some of us who don't tweet or insert a word

Re: [OSSLC] so far so good...

2013-01-29 Thread Ben Rubinstein
On 29/01/2013 20:32, Mark Wieder wrote: Cory backed the project? !!! I've got some time scheduled with him in a couple of weeks, and I know what we'll be talking about. He's an old-time HyperCardist - check out the list of helpful contributors here and see if you recognise any other names...

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread Thierry Douez
Just added it to my home page too... http://sunny-tdz.com Thierry Let's make him feel better by putting a link on our web sites to the Kickstarter project. Just added it to my page www.lcsql.com. Pete ___ use-livecode mailing list

Re: [OSSLC] so far so good...

2013-01-29 Thread Mark Wieder
Trevor- Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 1:00:36 PM, you wrote: I turned it into a little app I have running that lists the goal as well as the percentage of total that has been funded. It has given my laptop new purpose (project is at 7.3%). Do keep in mind that the way kickstarter works is that

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread Colin Holgate
Hey, I should join that group! Also, I'll try to dig out my AppleLink address (holgate1 I think), see if that still works… On Jan 29, 2013, at 4:00 PM, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: I *will*, however, post the url to my ex-Apple linkedin groups. Should generate some interest

Re: [OSSLC] so far so good...

2013-01-29 Thread Mark Wieder
Ben- Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 1:01:55 PM, you wrote: If you're in contact, please don't wait for a couple of weeks but encourage him now to post/tweet about the project - his pledge is worth $X, but spreading the word via BoingBoing or twitter could be worth an order of magnitude more. I

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread Devin Asay
On Jan 29, 2013, at 1:58 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 1/29/13 2:26 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Pete- Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 12:03:29 PM, you wrote: Let's make him feel better by putting a link on our web sites to the Kickstarter project. Just added it to my page www.lcsql.com. Pete

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread Colin Holgate
Yes, and Richard posted a message there about KickStarter. On Jan 29, 2013, at 4:25 PM, Devin Asay devin_a...@byu.edu wrote: Anybody still on the HyperCard yahoo group? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 1/29/13 3:25 PM, Devin Asay wrote: Anybody still on the HyperCard yahoo group? Richard posted it there and I just responded too. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com

Re: Now illegal to unlock your cellphone (U.S.)

2013-01-29 Thread Peter Haworth
Where are you getting your information from Bob? Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Robert Sneidar slylab...@me.com wrote: Peter, I said Assault Weapons, or as some call them Semi-automatic rifles. Handguns are a whole other matter. The majority of

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Peter Haworth
That is a pretty amazing watch! I want one! Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Björnke von Gierke b...@mac.com wrote: On 29.01.2013, at 20:54, Shawn Blc wrote: If we keep on this track our KS project will be over £700,000! Awesome! Being a

Re: Now illegal to unlock your cellphone (U.S.)

2013-01-29 Thread Björnke von Gierke
cheese On 29.01.2013, at 23:07, Peter Haworth wrote: Where are you getting your information from Bob? Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Robert Sneidar slylab...@me.com wrote: Peter, I said Assault Weapons, or as some call them Semi-automatic

Re: What if....

2013-01-29 Thread Peter M. Brigham
Oh, right. headslap -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Jan 29, 2013, at 5:15 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote: On 29/01/2013 20:31, Peter M. Brigham wrote: ... With an expression that is exclusively ands the first one that evaluates to false settles the

Re: [OSSLC] so far so good...

2013-01-29 Thread Kevin Miller
We reached out to him as soon as he backed us. Looks like he just posted on http://boingboing.net Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Unleash Your Killer App On 29/01/2013 21:01, Ben Rubinstein benr...@cogapp.com wrote: On 29/01/2013

Re: Now illegal to unlock your cellphone (U.S.)

2013-01-29 Thread Kevin Miller
Ah yes, as is longstanding policy, we have established that discussions that mention cheese are not such a good thing. Time to stop this thread I think. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Unleash Your Killer App On 29/01/2013 22:22,

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
My sister made me do it! facebook that is Bob On Jan 29, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Colin- Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 12:40:08 PM, you wrote: At the end of the KickStarter process you're invited to post on Twitter and Facebook, which I did. Don't think I'll get as many

Re: [OSSLC] so far so good...

2013-01-29 Thread Mark Wieder
Kevin Miller kevin@... writes: We reached out to him as soon as he backed us. Looks like he just posted on http://boingboing.net Yep - looks like Edwin beat me to submitting it. Good on ya. -- Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___

Re: [OSSLC] so far so good...

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
Kevin, any chance you can get this into Apple's RRS feed? Bob On Jan 29, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: We reached out to him as soon as he backed us. Looks like he just posted on http://boingboing.net Kind regards, Kevin ___

LiveCode Community on G+

2013-01-29 Thread Richard Gaskin
Shortly after Google Plus premiered Communities, I opened one for LiveCode: https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/109731058120269230218 As the second-biggest social media site (it's now eclipsed Twitter), G+ is much more topic-driven than Facebook's friendship-driven model, so I find it

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