Re: which shared hosting providers offer LiveCode pre-installed?

2014-11-11 Thread Dave Kilroy
Hi all (and thanks Ethan for the offer) I actually have a lifetime deal with on-rev and was asking so that I can make suggestions to clients... Someone on this list (or forum?) mentioned hostm.com a few days ago and I checked them out and what they offer looks pretty good. I emailed them asking

Re: Can I produce a Google map showing SEVERAL address?

2014-11-11 Thread Jim Hurley
Thanks Rick. Do you find one that you could launch from within LiveCode? I would like to incorporate the search in a LiveCode app. Jim From: Rick Harrison harri...@all-auctions.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Can I produce a Google map showing SEVERAL

Re: Can I produce a Google map showing SEVERAL address?

2014-11-11 Thread Rick Harrison
Hi Jim, What platform are you developing for? I didn’t find the old one that I used to use, but a quick internet search showed: http://www.click2map.com/ http://www.click2map.com/ I’m sure there are others which might even be better. If you need to manipulate things from within LiveCode the

Keyboard Shortcuts in Menus

2014-11-11 Thread Graham Samuel
I'm using LC 7.0.1. Looking at both the LC User Guide and the Dictionary, I find that I don’t exactly understand the way you put keyboard shortcuts into menus and get them to activate, especially on Windows. I note for example: 1. The ‘’ character is always present in a menu item which is also

Re: Keyboard Shortcuts in Menus

2014-11-11 Thread Björnke von Gierke
Question 1: The only works for Windows, where menus can be triggered with the keyboard. The character after the will be the one to trigger, and it'll be shown underlined. You can choose any char in a word, it doesn't need to be the first one, and the premade ones are chosen as per Windows

Re: Keyboard Shortcuts in Menus

2014-11-11 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Graham Samuel livf...@mac.com wrote: Can anyone explain what is going on behind the scenes? Keep in mind that even built-in keyboard commands are generally not functioning correctly in the current 7.0.1 (RC1) -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462

Re: BBEdit Language Module for LiveCode

2014-11-11 Thread Martin Koob
Ralf Bitter who makes revIgniter has a bundle for the TextMate editor. http://revigniter.com/accessory Martin -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/BBEdit-Language-Module-for-LiveCode-tp4685643p4685671.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing

recording sound on LC 6.7

2014-11-11 Thread Serge Brami
since LC6.7 all my scripts using record sound doesnt work any more I work on a mac pro and yosemite i have tried setting the dontuseqt prop to false but it is the same recording is impossible if i go back to lc 6.2 everything is ok any idea ? ___

test

2014-11-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
No posts here since last night; unusual, so just making sure the system isn't down. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ambassa...@fourthworld.com

speed and shortening the long id

2014-11-11 Thread Dr. Hawkins
It is my understanding that reference to id is faster than name. However, if i get the long id of something, I can get field id 1 of group id 2 of group id 3 of card id 4 of stack theSubStack of stack /some/really/long/filename If I take word 1 to 3 of theLongId word -6 to -4 of theLongId,

Re: Livecode Server on Dreamhost fails in Ubuntu upgrade

2014-11-11 Thread Phil Davis
One thing I noticed is that script execution speed seems to have gotten dreadfully slow in 64-bit 7.0 - roughly 6x slower. I ran door-to-door timings from a desktop stack against the same script on two different servers, the DH server running 7.0.0 and the on-rev server running 6.1.0. While

Re: test

2014-11-11 Thread Roger Eller
Received. On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: No posts here since last night; unusual, so just making sure the system isn't down. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web

replacing screen shot in iTunes connect

2014-11-11 Thread Alain Vezina
Hi all, Anyone knows how you can replace screen shots in iTunes connect? It was so easy to do before. Alain Vézina, directeur Logilangue 514-596-1385 www.logilangue.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this

Re: Livecode Server on Dreamhost fails in Ubuntu upgrade

2014-11-11 Thread Warren Samples
On 11/11/2014 12:42 PM, Phil Davis wrote: One thing I noticed is that script execution speed seems to have gotten dreadfully slow in 64-bit 7.0 - roughly 6x slower. I have a simple script that repeats 5000 times, adding to a counter and populating and sorting a list with seven items. It

hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Dr. Hawkins
I can't help but wonder what it would take to get runrev to follow normal practice and actually get something to alpha level before calling it a developer preview, beta by a release candidate (ok, that still wouldn't be normal), and working rather than early beta before release. If I sold

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Richmond
On 11/11/14 21:25, Dr. Hawkins wrote: I can't help but wonder what it would take to get runrev to follow normal practice and actually get something to alpha level before calling it a developer preview, beta by a release candidate (ok, that still wouldn't be normal), and working rather than early

Re: Livecode Server on Dreamhost fails in Ubuntu upgrade

2014-11-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
Warren Samples wrote: On 11/11/2014 12:42 PM, Phil Davis wrote: One thing I noticed is that script execution speed seems to have gotten dreadfully slow in 64-bit 7.0 - roughly 6x slower. I have a simple script that repeats 5000 times, adding to a counter and populating and sorting a list with

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
Dr. Hawkins wrote: OK, I'll stop venting, but the amount of time I'm losing to bugs that never should have seen a public preview is getting increasingly frustrating. I agree, which is why it benefits no one more than ourselves to test our work with pre-release versions. The SQLite issue may

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Richmond
On 11/11/14 21:55, Richard Gaskin wrote: Dr. Hawkins wrote: OK, I'll stop venting, but the amount of time I'm losing to bugs that never should have seen a public preview is getting increasingly frustrating. I agree, which is why it benefits no one more than ourselves to test our work with

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Rick Harrison
Hi Dr. Hawkins, The whole computer industry is changing too rapidly now. Their is no such thing as “stable” as a result. What everyone wants is a “stable” OS, a “stable” language, a “stable” database, and stable hardware platforms to go with it all. If we had all of that, we’d already have a

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Dr. Hawkins wrote: OK, I'll stop venting, but the amount of time I'm losing to bugs that never should have seen a public preview is getting increasingly frustrating. I agree, which is why it benefits no

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Peter Haworth
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: In addition to the others I've mentioned here an in other recent posts, the recompile of sqlite is not quite compatible with the old, and behaves differently. For example, a semicolon at the end of an entry without

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Peter Haworth
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: The SQLite issue may be more related to the new SQLite code base than with LiveCode. I can't say specifically - Mr. Haworth, what do you find with that? Just asked for an example and will check it out. Pete

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
Richmond wrote: On 11/11/14 21:55, Richard Gaskin wrote: I agree, which is why it benefits no one more than ourselves to test our work with pre-release versions. That is, of course, very true. Another idea that might not be bad, is to slow down the releases so there is more time for

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Richmond
On 11/11/14 22:59, Dr. Hawkins wrote: snip I really can't give up any significant portion of my coding time to do livecode's work for them; these are things that are so basic that they never should have seen a release to the public. I'm afraid, Richard Gaskin et al, the above is going to be

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Richmond
On 11/11/14 23:16, Richard Gaskin wrote: Richmond wrote: On 11/11/14 21:55, Richard Gaskin wrote: I agree, which is why it benefits no one more than ourselves to test our work with pre-release versions. That is, of course, very true. Another idea that might not be bad, is to slow down the

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 11/11/2014, 3:16 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: So while we can't be expected to test everything, if we only test our own apps with new builds that's usually all we need for our own work. Collectively, if we call just ensured that new features get implemented in ways we need, we'll all have what

R: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: I agree, which is why it benefits no one more than ourselves to test our work with pre-release versions. Two problems, though: 1) One can *either* stay with 5.5, *or* use any of the new features. Without maintaining

Re: R: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Richmond
On 11/11/14 23:34, Richard Gaskin wrote: snip Being in touch with them fairly regularly, I can say with confidence that it's not like they're all sitting at the beach drinking Mai Tais. Heck, it's Edinburgh - is it even sunny enough to go to the beach? :) snip While I know they are not

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
J. Landman Gay wrote: What usually stops me is the need to create a separate, stripped-down stack to demonstrate a more complicated bug. I completely understand the need for this, especially in my case where the original stack is huge and complex, and I wouldn't expect RR to plow through all

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 11/11/2014, 3:23 PM, Richmond wrote: Several times I have stated that in my opinion RunRev are being swept along into a sort of feature bloat which prevents them from sorting out little 'niggles' in existing features. I se no reason to change that opinion. Suppose while teaching English,

Re: 7.0.1-RC1 selectively not obeying open card in script?

2014-11-11 Thread Bob Sneidar
I just ran into this. If a variable contains “card foo” then the command open card foo resolves to open card card foo. You can see the problem. There is no card named card foo. Just foo. Is this the problem you are seeing? Bob S On Nov 8, 2014, at 13:29 , Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Vaughn Clement
The student example Your comment is interesting BUT; Instructors need to test the curricula before, during and after the instruction. The question is, is it the instruction, the testing or the student having the problem. It all comes back to the testing. The teacher who does not test the

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
Richmond wrote: Obviously Dr Hawkins is not over-enamoured of the Open Source theory: LiveCode is paid for in a different way [the I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine way] than the 'standard' commercial way [I pay you, and you do ALL the work]. I think you and I may be a rare breed.

Re: 7.0.1-RC1 selectively not obeying open card in script?

2014-11-11 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Bob Sneidar bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com wrote: I just ran into this. If a variable contains “card foo” then the command open card foo resolves to open card card foo. You can see the problem. There is no card named card foo. Just foo. Is this the problem you

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote: I rarely, if ever, try to execute multiple SQL statements in one revDatabasexxx so haven't seen that particular problem. Could you give an example? I'd like to check it out as I don't want to get hit by the same bug. I

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: I agree, which is why it benefits no one more than ourselves to test our work with pre-release versions. Two problems, though: 1)

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Obviously Dr Hawkins is not over-enamoured of the Open Source theory: LiveCode is paid for in a different way [the I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine way] than the 'standard' commercial way [I pay you,

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: I'd like to raise these concerns with Ben and Kevin at my next meeting. It would be very helpful if you could point me to the bug reports that describe these issues. That's the problem. These are at a level that

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Any other specific issues you feel are show-stoppers may well be worth looking into, and I'd be happy to help if I can. But to do that I'd need to know what they are. That the IDE doesn't work? I filed those

LiveCode Course on Udemy

2014-11-11 Thread Alejandro Tejada
Hi All, I looked for the announcement in LC mail list of this LiveCode Course on Udemy https://www.udemy.com/livecode101/ Did I miss this announcement? What is your opinion about this course? Thanks in advance! Al ___ use-livecode mailing list

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread William Prothero
Folks: Just to chime in on this. I’ve been using version 7.0 for a couple of months. No problems. I’m not using many of the new features like unicode, but have found the IDE working fine for my purposes, so far. The slowdown in some operations has affected me, though. Picking out a byte from a

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Alejandro Tejada
Hi Richard, on Tue, 11 Nov 2014 Richard Gaskin wrote: [snip] On the other issues, can you share the bug report numbers so we can follow them? Does exist an automatic way to post every new bug report in this mail list? Could bugzilla do this? In this way, every bug will be noticed and

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Any other specific issues you feel are show-stoppers may well be worth looking into, and I'd be happy to help if I can. But to do that I'd need to know what they are. That the IDE doesn't work? I'll run a search

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Mark Talluto
On Nov 11, 2014, at 4:38 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Any other specific issues you feel are show-stoppers may well be worth looking into, and I'd be happy to help if I can. But to do that I'd need to know what they are. Hi Richard, Thanks for taking this on.

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Mark Talluto
On Nov 11, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: There was a recent comment about shadowed name warnings in the Facebook group recently, but that seemed related to turning on the feature to warn about those (Prefs - Script Editor - Strict Compilation Mode). The

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Terry Judd
On 12/11/2014 11:00 am, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: LiveCode's developer previews simply execue (nightly snapshot that executed), the RC are alpha quality, the 5.5 series are late beta, and the 6.x and 7.x releases are early beta. I think that¹s a bit harsh. There are problems with

New SQLite binary option

2014-11-11 Thread Peter Haworth
Has anyone used the new binary parameter to revOpenDatabase when opening an sqlite database? It's supposed to store binary data into BLOB columns unchanged - apparently Livecode used to store BLOB's in a proprietary format. Here's what I'm doing: revOpendatabase(sqlite,path to dbfile,binary)

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Any other specific issues you feel are show-stoppers may well be worth looking into, and I'd be happy to help if I can. But to do

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 5:31 PM, Terry Judd terry.j...@unimelb.edu.au wrote: On 12/11/2014 11:00 am, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: LiveCode's developer previews simply execue (nightly snapshot that executed), the RC are alpha quality, the 5.5 series are late beta, and the 6.x and 7.x

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Peter Haworth
OK, I'll try with and without multiple statements in both versions. I do want to double check that you're not trying to access an SQLite database over a network because you WILL have major problems if you are :-) Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com Home of lcStackBrowser

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
Mark Talluto wrote: Thanks for taking this on. These are stopping us from using 7 either in shipping applications and in some cases development: Move command renders graphics improperly when screen has been recently locked http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13961 Player object

Re: New SQLite binary option

2014-11-11 Thread Peter Haworth
By way of an update on this, the length of the data I supply to the UPDATE statement is around 2.5 million characters. When I read it back in again, it's 244 characters. Obviously there's some severe truncation going on! Question is - is it LC or SQLite? Everything I read on the web says that

LiveCode vector screenshots

2014-11-11 Thread Alejandro Tejada
Hi All, Download this PDF file with a vector drawing of LiveCode's Menubar. Hopefully, I will find time to draw the Tool palette and other icons, palettes and windows. The purpose is: use High Quality images for tutorials, courses and books. By the way, I am using Xara, so if one of you is a

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: The first one ('97) was especially interesting because in all the years I'd been using LC I'd never used that particular feature. The description of that feature on p68 of the User Guide does seem to match your

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 5:49 PM, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote: OK, I'll try with and without multiple statements in both versions. Now, to make matters worse, it appears that I've been using 7.0.0, not 7.0.1-RC-1 for an unknown period of time--it has managed to set itself as the default

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: The first one ('97) was especially interesting because in all the years I'd been using LC I'd never used that particular feature. The

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
Dr. Hawkins wrote: Now, to make matters worse, it appears that I've been using 7.0.0, not 7.0.1-RC-1 for an unknown period of time--it has managed to set itself as the default version more than once on this machine. If that's on a Mac, I don't believe there's anything a developer can do -

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
Dr. Hawkins wrote: To start with, Peter Hayworth filed *Bug 10511* http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10511 in 2006 . . . but wee discuss this every three or fourt months on this list. I recall only vague descriptions with no clear outcome, and that amazingly long bug report

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Terry Judd
For greater control over app versions I put all the ones I use in my Dock and launch them explicitly from there. I¹m sure you¹re not alone there. I have six versions of LC in my dock that I use for different projects and for testing. I have many more than that in my Applications folder. Terry...

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Richmond
On 12/11/14 07:46, Terry Judd wrote: For greater control over app versions I put all the ones I use in my Dock and launch them explicitly from there. I¹m sure you¹re not alone there. I have six versions of LC in my dock that I use for different projects and for testing. I have many more than

Re: New SQLite binary option

2014-11-11 Thread Kay C Lan
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote: revExecuteSQL gDBID,Update statement,*btData Have you tried tData without the *b ? I thought the *b was the 'old' way of gettting binary data in SQLite. ___ use-livecode mailing

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 11/11/2014, 7:24 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: The second one ('98) was one that could benefit from others here who've used the debugger more than I have (Jacque, that means you g). I'm not sure if it's a bug or merely needs more explanation in the docs. For reference:

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 11/11/2014, 11:46 PM, Terry Judd wrote: For greater control over app versions I put all the ones I use in my Dock and launch them explicitly from there. I¹m sure you¹re not alone there. I have six versions of LC in my dock that I use for different projects and for testing. I have many more

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 11/12/2014, 1:15 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: That said, right-clicking on an existing and active breakpoint *does* put up the expected popup, the one that gives you debugging options. So I don't see any problems here. I take that back, I didn't test far enough. The popup appears and the