Re: OS X - how to write to a file associated as a Unix executable

On 2016-03-01 02:06, Glen Bojsza wrote: What I am trying to do is within a LC application 1. put field "mytest" into URL "binfile:~/race" This creates a file called race in the ~/ directory. The problem is that when you do a chmod +rw race the file is still recognized as textedit file and NOT

Re: Open source, closed source, and the value of code

On Mon, 29 Feb 2016 22:05:51 -0800 (PST), Alejandro Tejada wrote: > Hi all, > > I have read most of this message thread, > so please pardon me if someone has > proposed this before: > > Why not publish your Apps for iOS > using a Publisher Partner? > > Maybe an iOS Publisher Partner > selected

Re: Open source, closed source, and the value of code

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:05 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > Why not publish your Apps for iOS > using a Publisher Partner? > > Maybe an iOS Publisher Partner > selected among our very own > LiveCode fellow developers. > I don't think that's allowed in the ELUA Stephen

Re: Open source, closed source, and the value of code

Hi all, I have read most of this message thread, so please pardon me if someone has proposed this before: Why not publish your Apps for iOS using a Publisher Partner? Maybe an iOS Publisher Partner selected among our very own LiveCode fellow developers. if not:

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

It's been a long time... and to be sure my memory is probably way off... still: But we have this from 1986 and I thought (I certainly could be wrong) I was already coding in Hypercard for some time ( a year or so I think at least) before this:

Re: Open source, closed source, and the value of code

Robert you may like to take the following snipped quote from Mark Waddingham into consideration in your analysis of how GPL applies to stackFiles: I am not a lawyer, but it seems wise to at least provide some guidance in this case. Ultimately, it can only be guidance as we did not write the GPL

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

I’m trying to figure out which bit of information you mistyped. 1983 would be fairly late for getting an Apple II, but 1983 was before the Mac was released, and the Mac II didn’t come out until early 1987 I think. Your remembered date is also four years before HyperCard was released. It could

Re: Open source, closed source, and the value of code

Thanks all for these precise links references (Richard & Matt in particular), I was able to sort of clarify the source of what I felt a problem. And will share that. [Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer and this is not legal advice.] [See :: conclusion at the end :: call for an education stack on

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

I think it was circa 1983, I was in San Franscisco... our spiritual master, Gurudeva, called from Hawaii saying "Your Apple II is coming any day. You need to sign up for some classes right away... this it the future." When it came... I think the 3rd thing I did after booting up was start

Re: Open source, closed source, and the value of code

My apologies to you and Monte, if I sounded too defensive. I do hope that this idea of a non-profit/give-away app license will not be summarily dismissed. It just might be a benefit to all of us. Cheers, Roger > On Feb 29, 2016, at 9:01 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: >

Re: Open source, closed source, and the value of code

> On 1 Mar 2016, at 3:01 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > > I know you're a supporter Roger, I didn't mean to imply criticism. For the record so did I and neither did I ;-) > I was just curious what people would think a fair licensing scheme would > include. I guess I

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

On 2/29/2016 3:03 PM, Jeff Reynolds wrote: So how about LC community shipping on all education macs? or on all macs for that matter? I think Jacqueline hit it on the head that it being there and easy to start playing with were the key to HC and the Mac’s success! Apple needs to continue this

Re: LiveCode for Educators (was LiveCode for the Hobbyists)

On 2/29/2016 9:45 PM, Peter M. Brigham wrote: On Feb 28, 2016, at 4:21 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 2/28/2016 9:07 AM, Peter M. Brigham wrote: The old RevOnline/User Samples was an attempt at this, but most people these days are used to using a browser to download files and resources. That

Re: Open source, closed source, and the value of code

I know you're a supporter Roger, I didn't mean to imply criticism. I was just curious what people would think a fair licensing scheme would include. I guess I did miss your original suggestion. I also wonder how a hobbyist license should be enforced, or if it should just be an honor system.

Re: LiveCode for Educators (was LiveCode for the Hobbyists)

On Feb 28, 2016, at 4:21 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 2/28/2016 9:07 AM, Peter M. Brigham wrote: >> The old RevOnline/User Samples was an attempt at this, but most >> people these days are used to using a browser to download files and >> resources. That has the added advantage of showing up in

Re: Open source, closed source, and the value of code

Well, what I suggested a few posts back was a license for non-profits and give-away apps. But, I completely understand if that turns out to be difficult to police. I’m only trying to help here! Roger > On Feb 29, 2016, at 7:45 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > > On

Re: Open source, closed source, and the value of code

On 2/29/2016 7:32 PM, Roger Guay wrote: Once more, I point out that this might be a good new revenue stream for LC!!! Does it hurt anyone? Well, it could hurt the company if everyone suddenly decides they're a hobbyist. But let's take the thought experiment a little farther. What

Re: Open source, closed source, and the value of code

> On 1 Mar 2016, at 12:32 PM, Roger Guay wrote: > > Once more, I point out that this might be a good new revenue stream for LC!!! > Does it hurt anyone? I guess it could hurt everyone that depends on the platform if it undercut the Indy license too much. One thing we know for

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

As programmers, most of us on this list think mainly of programming as a tool for solving problems. Of course, that’s how it was born. The original use of the computer was to solve hard science problems. It was assumed that a couple dozen around the world would be sufficient. But, besides

Re: Open source, closed source, and the value of code

What estimate? I did say "might" as I really have no idea what y'all can afford :-) Sent from my iPhone > On 1 Mar 2016, at 12:10 PM, [-hh] wrote: > > Monte, Roger's question is clear. Why don't you answer it? > And show us the the data that's the base of your estimate?

Re: Open source, closed source, and the value of code

Monty, I’ve tried to be clear about this. I am not complaining, nor am I upset with anyone. I have only good wishes and intentions for LC and users of LC. I’ll get along with whatever LC brings to my future. But you know better than I, that Apple is not going to be moved. So why not make

Re: Open source, closed source, and the value of code

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Re: Open source, closed source, and the value of code

>>> Monte G. wrote: >>> One of the issues of course is that there really might only be a handful >>> of users that can't afford Indy and can't or won't use Community. >> Sent from my iPhone >> Roger G. wrote: >> Do you include those who might want to publish to the Mac App Store and >> IOS in

Re: OS X - how to write to a file associated as a Unix executable

What I am trying to do is within a LC application 1. put field "mytest" into URL "binfile:~/race" This creates a file called race in the ~/ directory. The problem is that when you do a chmod +rw race the file is still recognized as textedit file and NOT a UNIX executable. When you look at a

Re: OS X - how to write to a file associated as a Unix executable

On 02/29/2016 06:09 PM, Glen Bojsza wrote: This only works IF the file created is associated with the terminal application. The issue is creating the proper file format so when the chmod creates it as Unix executable. Are you saying that saving a file from TextMate and chmoding it works but

Re: Open source, closed source, and the value of code

Roger if you are suggesting you would be happy with Community if you could publish GPL apps to Apple's stores then that's probably something to take up with Apple. Sent from my iPhone > On 1 Mar 2016, at 10:39 AM, Roger Guay wrote: > > Do you include those who might want to

Re: OS X - how to write to a file associated as a Unix executable

On 02/29/2016 06:06 PM, Warren Samples wrote: 'get shell("chomd +x /your/new/file")' Well, that of course won't work jaja. chmod ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and

Re: OS X - how to write to a file associated as a Unix executable

This only works IF the file created is associated with the terminal application. The issue is creating the proper file format so when the chmod creates it as Unix executable. On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 7:06 PM, Warren Samples wrote: > On 02/29/2016 03:13 PM, Glen Bojsza

Re: OS X - how to write to a file associated as a Unix executable

On 02/29/2016 03:13 PM, Glen Bojsza wrote: Hello, I am trying to write the from a text field to a file and then change the file so it is executable. put field "mytest" into URL "binfile:~/race" or put field "mytest" into URL"file:~/race" The file race is created in either case but are

Re: Open source, closed source, and the value of code

Do you include those who might want to publish to the Mac App Store and IOS in your estimate? Roger > On Feb 29, 2016, at 4:16 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > One of the issues of course is that there really might only be a handful of > users that can't afford Indy and

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

But a minute x 30 computers for an already overworked class teacher or under funded school tech just to do an hour of code type lesson may not happen. Ideally there might be an intermediate step between Scratch and the full LC IDE using a HTML5 IDE to introduce the language and advertise the

Re: Open source, closed source, and the value of code

I believe the monthly subscription was dropped at the time of the open source release for exactly those reasons. Funnily enough LiveCode developers need to pay the bills too so need to avoid enabling people to game the system. One of the issues of course is that there really might only be a

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

On 02/29/2016 02:16 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: William Prothero wrote: > Richard; > Agreed. Perhaps it’s my age. Yes, of course it won’t be a good > strategy to compare Livecode to Hypercard. I only brought it up in > an attempt to contrast the wide early adoption of Hypercard by >

Re: Open source, closed source, and the value of code

[disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer and this is not legal advice] I sympathize with your confusion. There is inherent confusion around the differences between "sharing" and "free/open source." In the former case, it's just something people do. In the latter case, it is a legal standard. Livecode

Re: Open source, closed source, and the value of code

On 1.03.2016 00:16, Roger Guay wrote: I couldn’t agree with you more, Robert. Plus, I will point out again, that this is another potential revenue source for LiveCode. Cheers, Roger That, now, makes sense. A sort of halfway house. There was (amidst the plethora of purchasing plans that

Re: Open source, closed source, and the value of code

I couldn’t agree with you more, Robert. Plus, I will point out again, that this is another potential revenue source for LiveCode. Cheers, Roger > On Feb 29, 2016, at 1:31 PM, Robert Mann wrote: > > What I questionned is that we're going to be missing an intermediate >

Re: Open source, closed source, and the value of code

Robert, I appreciate your thorough thoughts on this. You covered a lot of ground, and you seem to have your mind well made up on open source license options so I won't try to convince you of anything here, just providing some links and background info for others who may share questions along

Re: Uploading Livecode generated HTML5 to a web-server

On 29.02.2016 23:19, Peter TB Brett wrote: On 29/02/2016 20:27, RM wrote: Generating an HTML5 "standalone' from Livecode 8.0 DP 15 yields 5 files: YourStack.html standalone.zip standalone-community-8.0.0-dp-15.html.mem standalone-community-8.0.0-dp-15.js XX.livecode [where 'XX'

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

Monte Goulding wrote: > My son regularly immerses in Scratch. There’s a couple of things > that make it a good learning environment beyond the drag and drop > code blocks: > - web based so no download and install for schools without the >resources to do that easily > - a tightly integrated

Re: Uploading Livecode generated HTML5 to a web-server

On 29/02/2016 20:27, RM wrote: Generating an HTML5 "standalone' from Livecode 8.0 DP 15 yields 5 files: YourStack.html standalone.zip standalone-community-8.0.0-dp-15.html.mem standalone-community-8.0.0-dp-15.js XX.livecode [where 'XX' is a number] (this is actually a copy of

OS X - how to write to a file associated as a Unix executable

Hello, I am trying to write the from a text field to a file and then change the file so it is executable. put field "mytest" into URL "binfile:~/race" or put field "mytest" into URL "file:~/race" The file race is created in either case but are associated with textedit. I require it to be

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

Jeff: Hmm…. I am developing an app, rewritten from Director, that I am calling “Earth Explorer”. Am I infringing? I probably got hold of you CDROM in the ancient past, though. My first version of my “Earth Explorer” app (was named differently then) was actually written in Hypercard. Then

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

Yes was true for me as well even though i had programmed in a few different languages in the past. At the time HC came out i was in grad school {molecular biology) and not programming. After 10 minutes of looking at HC and poking at it i realized how much fun and useful things i could do so

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

Richard: Agreed. It always seemed odd to me that I had to rebuild, for every app, standard UI interfaces that most folks use. The Widgets capability in LC is masterful. It’s definitely a biggie. My problem is getting my friends to actually try Livecode. I think I’ll need to do a bit of

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

> On 1 Mar 2016, at 7:16 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > Right now we see Scratch used for some of that, but the boundaries of any > point-and-click system are encountered pretty quickly. For young users it > can be a good starting point, but most outgrow it fairly

Re: Open source, closed source, and the value of code

hi folks, what is this fuss about? First : no. The allegation about hypercard forcing the open source path on all usage is not true. There was a command to protect a stack ("protect" of course!) . And some interesting pieces of software were sold as protected stacks. And it is precisely that

Uploading Livecode generated HTML5 to a web-server

Generating an HTML5 "standalone' from Livecode 8.0 DP 15 yields 5 files: YourStack.html standalone.zip standalone-community-8.0.0-dp-15.html.mem standalone-community-8.0.0-dp-15.js XX.livecode [where 'XX' is a number] (this is actually a copy of YourStack.livecode) Do all of

Re: Hey-Ho and Off We Go with HTML5

On 29.02.2016 22:13, RM wrote: On 29.02.2016 21:29, RM wrote: So: I made a stack with a button and 2 fields in LiveCode 8.0 DP 15 and a spot of scripting in the button, and exported the thing as an HTML5 standalone, then opened the generated page in Firefox, and (apart from the slightly

Re: LC 8 hard question...

Eminently quotable! This is why I will not take fixed-price jobs. .Jerry > On Feb 29, 2016, at 9:45 AM, Richard Gaskin > wrote: > > * Any projection of ship dates from any one about any software is, > ultimately, a form of guesswork. We have 50 years of ACM

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

William Prothero wrote: > Richard; > Agreed. Perhaps it’s my age. Yes, of course it won’t be a good > strategy to compare Livecode to Hypercard. I only brought it up in > an attempt to contrast the wide early adoption of Hypercard by > educators, to the current environment where there are so

Re: Hey-Ho and Off We Go with HTML5

On 29.02.2016 21:29, RM wrote: So: I made a stack with a button and 2 fields in LiveCode 8.0 DP 15 and a spot of scripting in the button, and exported the thing as an HTML5 standalone, then opened the generated page in Firefox, and (apart from the slightly squiffy aesthetics) the thing

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

Richard; Agreed. Perhaps it’s my age. Yes, of course it won’t be a good strategy to compare Livecode to Hypercard. I only brought it up in an attempt to contrast the wide early adoption of Hypercard by educators, to the current environment where there are so many choices and also where

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

On 2/29/2016 1:25 PM, William Prothero wrote: By the way, I too have pondered the popularity that Hypercard was able to achieve and compared it to Livecode. Certainly, a subset of livecode and hypercard are pretty identical. So, why isn’t it easier to get excited about it? HyperCard took off

Re: Open source, closed source, and the value of code

Richmond: I also find it hard to appreciate the seriousness of the problem. Seems like much ado about very little. Best, Bill > On Feb 29, 2016, at 11:45 AM, RM wrote: > > Whichever way one cuts things, the most widely used programming languages > such as PASCAL

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

William Prothero wrote: > For those already familiar with other programming languages (I’m > in that group), the syntax may look archaic and put folks off. It > did me, at first. I was used to Fortran, Pascal, C, Lingo, etc, > and the Hypercard syntax just seemed primitive compared to modern >

Re: Open source, closed source, and the value of code

Whichever way one cuts things, the most widely used programming languages such as PASCAL and C++ are as FREE as the air. As long as a language remains Unfree it is unlikely to be adopted widely. While Runtime Revolution / Livecode have, until comparatively recently, only had a closed source

Hey-Ho and Off We Go with HTML5

So: I made a stack with a button and 2 fields in LiveCode 8.0 DP 15 and a spot of scripting in the button, and exported the thing as an HTML5 standalone, then opened the generated page in Firefox, and (apart from the slightly squiffy aesthetics) the thing looked and behaved exactly like the

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

Stephen: Wonderful work you’ve done with Livecode and medical education. FYI, there’s a forum topic at; http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=107 The forum addresses the topic of getting teachers involved. Your introductory book on livecode

Open source, closed source, and the value of code

While doing some research on Xanadu and Memex this weekend I came across this video of Bill Atkinson which seemed relevant to some of our recent threads here about the value of code: "HyperCard was always an authoring environment, it was never just browsing. I didn't separate the guys

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Re: LC 8 hard question...

Glen Bojsza wrote: > After reviewing all the previous releases of Livecode I am trying to > determine when LC 8 will start getting to RC and then how long from > there to stable. > > My question is hard since there is no true and fast answer on how the > development goes ...anything can cause it

Re: [Blog] Development speed comparison LC7 vs 8

Just curious, how long would something like this take to do on some other platforms? Anyone have experience doing such things and if so, are you impressed? > On Feb 29, 2016, at 10:29 AM, Heather Laine wrote: > > Dear List folks, > > Very nifty video in this blog post:

LC 8 hard question...

After reviewing all the previous releases of Livecode I am trying to determine when LC 8 will start getting to RC and then how long from there to stable. My question is hard since there is no true and fast answer on how the development goes ...anything can cause it to derail. But does anybody

[Blog] Development speed comparison LC7 vs 8

Dear List folks, Very nifty video in this blog post: https://livecode.com/a-mini-web-browser-in-under-15-minutes-sample-stack-included/ Love to hear your comments. Regards, Heather Heather Laine Customer

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

What does LiveCode need to do to significantly increase its audience among teachers and students of computer programming? I taught medical students for 25 years at the University of Miami School of Medicine. LiveCode has provided an opportunity to further improve medical education. My

Re: LiveCode for the Hobbyists

For what it's worth, I got the Indy license so that I could release github.Howstr.com under whatever license I wanted. In this case that's the MIT license. So for me it's not even about keeping it secret, it's about sharing with fewer restrictions than the GPL allows. Of course, I am turning

Re: LiveCode for the Hobbyists

Bravo to Tore Nilsen in this thread. Spot on. I mighy call myself a Hobbyists too, but I LOVE the open source community version. Those with extra cash who desire to support the Mothership may want to invest into a new LiveCode feature from time to time. Or, attend a LiveCode event. I think the

[ANN] This Week in LiveCode 22

Hi all, Read about new developments in LiveCode open source and the open source community in today's edition of the "This Week in LiveCode" newsletter! Read issue #22 here: https://goo.gl/DsmClz This is a weekly newsletter about LiveCode, focussing on what's been going on in and around