Re: Project Browser

2016-05-24 Thread RM
Well, Kevin Miller is not Steve Jobs. R. On 24.05.2016 22:16, J. Landman Gay wrote: The last time I led a revolt, Steve Jobs wrote me a terse email and shut down HC. But I can submit a bug report. On 5/24/2016 1:10 PM, RM wrote: Well, Jacque, do you want to lead a revolt (not quite sure

Re: Ho to pay pledge

2016-05-24 Thread Mark Wieder
On 05/24/2016 06:32 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 5/24/2016 8:08 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: On 05/24/2016 04:21 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: I received an email with a customized link. In fact, I got three of them. Maybe one was yours... I also got three of them, and none of them work. I had to

Re: Infinite LiveCode -- What Happened Exactly?

2016-05-24 Thread Paul Hibbert
Check out the ‘Campaign Update’ here; https://livecode.com/project/infinite-livecode/ The Native Field Widget has been rolled over to a Feature Exchange… https://livecode.com/project/infinite-livecode-native-field-object/ 29 days to raise just over $4,000 - should be do-able. Paul > On May

Infinite LiveCode -- What Happened Exactly?

2016-05-24 Thread Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami
I doubled my initial pledge and then stood by waiting. Then I got the notice it was due… that the goal had been met.. the page I was taken to successfully charged my CC card. But… did we get the field widget or not? I was hoping for that, but not in a position to up my pledge again. BR

Re: Definite Bug

2016-05-24 Thread Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami
Confirmed here in OS X Re-layering groups is really "scary" at the moment. It's such a challenge that the only way I'm able to successfully move a group is to look up the layers of all objects/groups in the application browser (aka "revolutionApplicationOverview") and then manually set the

Re: Maybe found another bug in 8

2016-05-24 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 5/24/2016 6:58 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: I can no lonegr select the text of a menu button. I would tell you what kind of menu button it is but the inspector no longer seems to tell me that. I see the button type in the titlebar on Mac. The select command according to the dictionary now only

Re: Ho to pay pledge

2016-05-24 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 5/24/2016 8:08 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: On 05/24/2016 04:21 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: I received an email with a customized link. In fact, I got three of them. Maybe one was yours... I also got three of them, and none of them work. I had to do it in Safari, at least on Mac. My copy of

Re: Ho to pay pledge

2016-05-24 Thread Mark Wieder
On 05/24/2016 04:21 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: I received an email with a customized link. In fact, I got three of them. Maybe one was yours... I also got three of them, and none of them work. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode

Re: Confusion over builds.

2016-05-24 Thread James Hale
Hi Richmond, Sorry about the confusion, Peter was very quick to remove the entries I had referred to. As for leaving things, you are a bit confused. The versions I referred to were in fact "milestones" on GitHub. I was making no comment at all on the download page only the work in progress

Maybe found another bug in 8

2016-05-24 Thread Bob Sneidar
I can no lonegr select the text of a menu button. I would tell you what kind of menu button it is but the inspector no longer seems to tell me that. The select command according to the dictionary now only works on pictures, not text. That is a BIG deal. Several of my menus work this way. As the

Re: Project Browser

2016-05-24 Thread stephen barncard
On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 12:16 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > The last time I led a revolt, Steve Jobs wrote me a terse email and shut > down HC. > so YOU were the one! Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA - mixstream.org ___

Re: Project Browser

2016-05-24 Thread Mark Wieder
J. Landman Gay writes: > > You're welcome. I had no idea I was such a powerful influence on The Steve. Now if you just had that influence over The Kevin... -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list

Definite Bug

2016-05-24 Thread Bob Sneidar
Hi all. I have confirmed several times that when attempting to move a group's layer by using cmd-square brackets it actually embeds the group I am moving into the previous or following group! I will submit a bug report, but everyone should be aware of this so they do not completely jack up

Re: MetaCard compatibility patterns

2016-05-24 Thread Mark Wieder
Paul Dupuis writes: > > On 5/24/2016 6:54 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > > Would this break anything that anybody relies on? Does anyone use the actual > > brush image ids? Or care what the actual brush *numbers* are? > > I don't believe I have anything that uses brush numbers or IDs, but

Re: Ho to pay pledge

2016-05-24 Thread J. Landman Gay
I received an email with a customized link. In fact, I got three of them. Maybe one was yours... -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On May 24, 2016 6:13:51 PM Bob Sneidar

Re: MetaCard compatibility patterns

2016-05-24 Thread Mark Wieder
Monte Goulding writes: > Just having it work as documented is all I’m after at the moment. Changing the behavior completely > probably needs more time to consider ramifications than we can assign to it. Yeah, that's why I'm bringing it up for discussion now. And why I didn't

Re: Project Browser

2016-05-24 Thread J. Landman Gay
You're welcome. I had no idea I was such a powerful influence on The Steve. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On May 24, 2016 4:11:22 PM "Peter M. Brigham" wrote: On May 24,

Re: MetaCard compatibility patterns

2016-05-24 Thread Paul Dupuis
On 5/24/2016 6:54 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Would this break anything that anybody relies on? Does anyone use the actual > brush image ids? Or care what the actual brush *numbers* are? I don't believe I have anything that uses brush numbers or IDs, but I did want to comment on the problem with

Ho to pay pledge

2016-05-24 Thread Bob Sneidar
Not sure how to pay up at this point. Anyone got a URL? I thot I had it in my history but the infinite livecode page does not seem to offer me a way to pay. Bob S ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to

Re: MetaCard compatibility patterns

2016-05-24 Thread Monte Goulding
> On 25 May 2016, at 8:54 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > > Now... since this process is (or at least has been) fairly transparent to the > end user (does anyone actually rely on a brush of 8 being image id 108?) I'd > rather do one of two things (or both): > > 1. assign the

Re: Project Browser

2016-05-24 Thread Bob Sneidar
Those were exactly my thoughts too! LOL! Bob S > On May 24, 2016, at 14:09 , Peter M. Brigham wrote: > > On May 24, 2016, at 3:16 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > >> The last time I led a revolt, Steve Jobs wrote me a terse email and shut >> down HC. > > My first impulse for a

Re: Project Browser

2016-05-24 Thread Bob Sneidar
Thanks so much that is what I am looking for! Bob S > On May 24, 2016, at 07:55 , Ben Rubinstein wrote: > > On 24/05/2016 15:44, Bob Sneidar wrote: >> Did someone say there was a way to get the application browser back? The >> project browser in it's current form is a

Re: MetaCard compatibility patterns

2016-05-24 Thread Mark Wieder
Monte Goulding writes: > As a result of some contributions Mark Wieder is making to fix some issues with reset paint I have identified > some issues with setting patterns to a patternNumber (rather than image id). These are documented as > patternNumber 1 to 164 being translated by

Re: MetaCard compatability patterns

2016-05-24 Thread Monte Goulding
OK, thanks to Klaus I can confirm that MetaCard had the same missing pattern numbers/ image ids that LiveCode does. Specifically these are image id 241 to 250 and 282 to 300. Additionally based on the content of the “patterns” stack I can conclude that the pattern numbers should range 0 to 164

Re: Handling Top Status Bar in App Design Stage

2016-05-24 Thread Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami
Ralph.. very helpful.. yes I don't want to maintain two files either. Can you share a code snippet from your preopencard handler(s) What does that 1px transparent line accomplish? does this act as a bounding object that Livecode sees as the top of the stack? and if you did not have it… what

Custom URL - urlWakeUp

2016-05-24 Thread Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami
This mysterious entry in the dictionary comes with no examples. It's cousin mobileGetLaunchURL is also related. I searched for both of these terms and also "Custom URL Scheme" in the User Guide and came with "No Entries Found" in the PDF. The Custom URL Scheme is a blank

Re: Project Browser

2016-05-24 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On May 24, 2016, at 3:16 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > The last time I led a revolt, Steve Jobs wrote me a terse email and shut down > HC. My first impulse for a reply was "OMG, so YOU were responsible for the death of Hypercard!?" Then I thought, but look what we have now -- LiveCode. So…

Re: MetaCard compatibility patterns

2016-05-24 Thread Klaus major-k
Hi Monte, > Am 24.05.2016 um 22:31 schrieb Monte Goulding : > > Hi All > > As a result of some contributions Mark Wieder is making to fix some issues > with reset paint I have identified some issues with setting patterns to a > patternNumber (rather than image id). These

Re: Positive Infinity forever

2016-05-24 Thread Mick Collins
Oh, no, Bob, it is also certain that a genooine understanding of trig, calculus, counting numbers, engineering and computer science will require a foundational knowledge of infinity, for example, why 1+2+3+4+ ... = -1/12 ;-) Hardy saw this in the notes of Ramanujan (“The Man Who Knew

MetaCard compatibility patterns

2016-05-24 Thread Monte Goulding
Hi All As a result of some contributions Mark Wieder is making to fix some issues with reset paint I have identified some issues with setting patterns to a patternNumber (rather than image id). These are documented as patternNumber 1 to 164 being translated by the engine to image id 136 to

Subject: Re: Infinite Livecode Pledge

2016-05-24 Thread Mark Rauterkus
Hi, With Kickstarter, the income from the crowdsource efforts are considered sales incomes as there often are real benefits and products being traded with the various transactions. Make a donation of sorts and get a new prototype thingie, even if it is only a promise of a thingie yet to be built

Re: Project Browser

2016-05-24 Thread J. Landman Gay
The last time I led a revolt, Steve Jobs wrote me a terse email and shut down HC. But I can submit a bug report. On 5/24/2016 1:10 PM, RM wrote: Well, Jacque, do you want to lead a revolt (not quite sure if that's the correct word) to bring back the Application Browser as something that

Re: Project Browser

2016-05-24 Thread RM
Well, Jacque, do you want to lead a revolt (not quite sure if that's the correct word) to bring back the Application Browser as something that hasn't been EOL-ed and packed off into the Plug-ins folder to keep people like Thee and me 'happy'? Richmond. On 24.05.2016 21:05, J. Landman Gay

Re: Project Browser

2016-05-24 Thread J. Landman Gay
On May 24, 2016, at 9:28 AM, RM wrote: It isn't my cup of tea either. But for those of us who don't like it, the Application Browser is "still there", but, I assume, it is frozen, and in time may prove a bit "lumpy" with new versions of Livecode. It's getting

Re: Suspense

2016-05-24 Thread Richard Gaskin
Mark Smith wrote: > A big congratulations to all of us. It was hard fought, and we did > not go over the top but we still made huge gains. I am most > definitely looking forward to all the new goodies, not least of > which are the documented and "worked" examples we can all learn from. > > Very

Re: Infinite Livecode Pledge

2016-05-24 Thread Richard Gaskin
Mike Kerner wrote: > On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> It doesn't seem much different from how it works in the States - >> from the Kickstarter tax guide: >> >>In general, in the US, funds raised on Kickstarter are considered >>income. >>... >>Sales tax

Re: Project Browser

2016-05-24 Thread Earthednet-wp
Project browser issues have also kept me from using v8 for development. It has been especially frustrating when trying to reorder objects on cards with groups. Bill William Prothero http://es.earthednet.org > On May 24, 2016, at 9:28 AM, RM wrote: > > It isn't my

Re: Infinite Livecode Pledge

2016-05-24 Thread Roger Eller
On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Peter TB Brett wrote: > On 24/05/2016 16:19, Lagi Pittas wrote: > > We don't have any statistics from LC to see how many people are on >> subscription and how many actively use the product for free which would >> help. >> > >

Re: MouseDown no longer sent to list fields??

2016-05-24 Thread Mike Bonner
Try it with messages toggled off. I had a weird instance where my "select grouped" toggle got stuck in reverse mode. Select group was on, couldn't select controls, off, I could. Maybe your toggle is horked too. On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 9:05 AM, John Dixon wrote: > Bob...

Windows registry functions

2016-05-24 Thread Paul Dupuis
In working in LC 6.7.11 under Windows 8.1 today, I discovered that the setRegistry function would not make a new key in the registry. It turned out that was because for the function to work, the application (LiveCode/IDE or a Standalone) must Run as Administrator, so restarting LiveCode 6.7.11

Re: Confusion over builds.

2016-05-24 Thread James Hale
Thanks for the explanation Peter. James ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Infinite Livecode Pledge

2016-05-24 Thread [-hh]
Peter TB Brett wrote > On 24/05/2016 16:19, Lagi Pittas wrote: > >> We don't have any statistics from LC to see how many people are on >> subscription and how many actively use the product for free which would >> help. > > Approximately 75% of LiveCode users are using the open source edition >

Re: Project Browser

2016-05-24 Thread RM
It isn't my cup of tea either. But for those of us who don't like it, the Application Browser is "still there", but, I assume, it is frozen, and in time may prove a bit "lumpy" with new versions of Livecode. But by then, either the Project Browser will be better (and/or more like the

Re: Confusion over builds.

2016-05-24 Thread RM
I honestly don't know what you are talking about. Here: http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ I can see 8.0.1 STABLE and 8.1.0 RC1 So, there is no "8.0.2" and no "8.10" Over in GitHub things are, by the nature of GitHub, likely to be somewhat more confusing. This is one of the main

[ ANN ] Release 8.0.1

2016-05-24 Thread panagiotis merakos
Dear List Members, We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.0.1 Stable. By "Stable", we mean that no reported regressions have been introduced in 8.0.1, compared to the previous Stable release. LiveCode 8.0.1 is a promotion of 8.0.1 RC-1, so there is no change between the two

Re: Infinite Livecode Pledge

2016-05-24 Thread Peter TB Brett
On 24/05/2016 16:19, Lagi Pittas wrote: We don't have any statistics from LC to see how many people are on subscription and how many actively use the product for free which would help. Approximately 75% of LiveCode users are using the open source edition and do not have an active

RE: MouseDown no longer sent to list fields??

2016-05-24 Thread John Dixon
Bob... Just tried this in a scrolling list field.. it works on mousedown answer word 2 of the clickLine end mousedown > From: bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com > To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Subject: Re: MouseDown no longer sent to list fields?? > Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 15:02:04 +

Re: MouseDown no longer sent to list fields??

2016-05-24 Thread Bob Sneidar
Belay my last. Seems NO messages are being sent right now. NOTHING is working. I toggled supress messages, but to no avail. Bob S > On May 24, 2016, at 07:59 , Bob Sneidar wrote: > > This used to work in a text field with it's listBehavior set to true. No >

Re: Confusion over builds.

2016-05-24 Thread Peter TB Brett
On 24/05/2016 15:24, James Hale wrote: Now that 8 is out,things on GitHub should be simpler, right? No, not really. We still have 8.01rc1 sitting there. We have 802rc1 sitting there. 8.10dp1 AND 8.10dp2 AND 8.10 future? It's just because I didn't close the milestones yet. Consider the

MouseDown no longer sent to list fields??

2016-05-24 Thread Bob Sneidar
This used to work in a text field with it's listBehavior set to true. No longer: on mouseDown put the clickLine into theClickedLine put value(theClickedLine) into theSalesPerson put theSalesPerson into field "fldSalesPerson" hide me show group "grpCustContact" end mouseDown Now the

Re: Infinite Livecode Pledge

2016-05-24 Thread Mike Kerner
It is completely different. VAT comes off the top line, like an excise tax. Income tax comes off the bottom line. Therefore, if a firm is plowing funds into development, it can be at or below 0 on the bottom line, therefore the tax on the funds would be zero, and depending on its previous

Re: Project Browser

2016-05-24 Thread Ben Rubinstein
On 24/05/2016 15:44, Bob Sneidar wrote: Did someone say there was a way to get the application browser back? The project browser in it's current form is a bit unusable. A couple times I attempted to drag-reorder the objects, and instead only succeeded at putting one object into another group.

Re: Confusion over builds.

2016-05-24 Thread James Hale
Well someone was quick. ;-) ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Project Browser

2016-05-24 Thread Bob Sneidar
Hi all. Did someone say there was a way to get the application browser back? The project browser in it's current form is a bit unusable. A couple times I attempted to drag-reorder the objects, and instead only succeeded at putting one object into another group. I changed the sort order to

Confusion over builds.

2016-05-24 Thread James Hale
Now that 8 is out,things on GitHub should be simpler, right? No, not really. We still have 8.01rc1 sitting there. We have 802rc1 sitting there. 8.10dp1 AND 8.10dp2 AND 8.10 future? While I really like the action happening I wish we could collapse things a bit and get the different branches

Re: Infinite Livecode Pledge

2016-05-24 Thread Richard Gaskin
Lagi Pittas wrote: > I have just paid my pledge and I was cheesed off that 20% of > my DONATION/PLEDGE has gone to the government. > > If doing feature exchange is to save Kickstarter fees it certainly > doen't do that. It doesn't seem much different from how it works in the States - from the

Re: Suspense

2016-05-24 Thread Mark Smith
A big congratulations to all of us. It was hard fought, and we did not go over the top but we still made huge gains. I am most definitely looking forward to all the new goodies, not least of which are the documented and "worked" examples we can all learn from. Very grateful for all who

Re: Infinite Livecode Pledge

2016-05-24 Thread Mike Kerner
That would also save on the fees that we get charged Over Here when we send money Over There. On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Mike Kerner wrote: > I wonder if an inversion with the US being the collection point would > help, since there is no VAT, here. It still

Re: Infinite Livecode Pledge

2016-05-24 Thread Mike Kerner
I wonder if an inversion with the US being the collection point would help, since there is no VAT, here. It still seems weird that there would be VAT on fundraising, where the contributor is not receiving any in-kind benefit, other than more awesomeness, but for the Community version, that

Re: create a library in LCB - is there also a step by step lesson

2016-05-24 Thread Dave Kilroy
Hi Mathias the answer is YES! There is a very fine lesson in the dictionary - however it is best to use the dictionary from version LC 8.1.0(dp1) or later as this version updates the sample code to current syntax. To get the lesson: 1 - in LC 8.1.0(dp1) or later open the dictionary 2 - wait a

Browser widget JavaScript [was: Infinite Livecode Pledge]

2016-05-24 Thread Peter TB Brett
On 24/05/2016 11:39, Jacques Hausser wrote: I’m currently trying to adapt an old stack to LC 8, and among other things I’m trying to use the browser widget. My question: how to replace the good old ‘revBrowserCallScript’ command ? It is surely absolutely evident, but not for my poor old

Re: Infinite Livecode Pledge

2016-05-24 Thread Jacques Hausser
Dear all, I’m currently trying to adapt an old stack to LC 8, and among other things I’m trying to use the browser widget. My question: how to replace the good old ‘revBrowserCallScript’ command ? It is surely absolutely evident, but not for my poor old brain… Thanks in advance ! Jacques

Re: Infinite Livecode Pledge

2016-05-24 Thread Lagi Pittas
Hi There are a few of these companies about. http://www.spi-inc.org/ http://sfconservancy.org/ As a stepping stone attaching your sails to a few of these might even spread the word. They not only seem to allow donations for specific projects but also have a fund that they share for who needs

Re: Infinite Livecode Pledge

2016-05-24 Thread Lagi Pittas
Hi, Just read my first message here. Seems I need to proofread before sending but I was rather annoyed when I sent that. It looks like I can't edit a post (obviously) . But how do you use this thing to answer a post. but I didn't receive my post in my inbox so that I could reply to it - is that

Re: Infinite Livecode Pledge

2016-05-24 Thread Heather Laine
Lagi: We aren't thrilled about having to pay VAT either. However, doing it through Kickstarter would not have avoided this. It is not a charity and pledges through it are liable for VAT. We paid VAT on the Kickstarter we did back in 2013. We did factor in VAT on the campaign when we started.

Infinite Livecode Pledge

2016-05-24 Thread Lagi Pittas
Hi All I have just paid my pledge and I was cheesed off that 20% of my DONATION/PLEDGE has gone to the government. If doing feature exchange is to save Kickstarter fees it certainly doen't do that. Couldn't you think about creating a charity for the .org (it is open source) and we donta to

create a library in LCB - is there also a step by step lesson

2016-05-24 Thread Matthias Rebbe
Hi, i would like to port some libraries to lcb libraries. I looked to find some quick start informations, but can only find a step by step lesson for creating a widget. Is there anything similar available for libraries. I´ve checked already existing libraries and the dictionary/guide within