with a race like
those ones who were cannibalised in H.G. Wells' Time Machine.
EloiOS - one bright, efficient button accompanied by a dinner bell sound
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On 02/27/2012 01:50 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote:
I think I still have a slide rule stashed away somewhere. It was my
step-father's. I once asked (circa 1983) in a chemistry class if slide rules
were allowed in addition to calculators, and everyone's head turned.
Richmond, to your point, check out
On Feb 27, 2012, at 2:36 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:
... it is valuable knowledge insofar as you then are aware that by
eating meat you do it at a price; the suffering of vast numbers of animals,
that can, quite easily be avoided.
Having eaten veggie burgers, we'll have
On 02/27/2012 04:40 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote:
On Feb 27, 2012, at 2:36 AM, Richmondrichmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:
... it is valuable knowledge insofar as you then are aware that by
eating meat you do it at a price; the suffering of vast numbers of animals,
that can, quite easily be
Things should be made slightly harder, not easier, for children;
otherwise we will end up with a race like
those ones who were cannibalised in H.G. Wells' Time Machine.
EloiOS - one bright, efficient button accompanied by a dinner bell sound
effect.
Best regards,
Lynn Fredricks
President
On Feb 27, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Richmond wrote:
Veggie Burgers are awful; mainly because they are pretending to be something
else. Don't let fake meat
put you off vegetarianism.
CHEESE! CHEESE! STOP IT!
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My oinion is that at 18, all kids should be put through some kind of boot camp
like training, just so that they can learn how to do exactly what they are
told, no more, no less, in spite of what everyone else around them does. That
would go a LONG way towards their future education in anything.
On Feb 27, 2012, at 11:27 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
My oinion is that at 18, all kids should be put through some kind of boot
camp like training, just so that they can learn how to do exactly what they
are told, no more, no less, in spite of what everyone else around them does.
That would go
ALL technology/ tools are a crutch in some sense. It's just that with simple
tools we don't give up much in the way of understanding to use them, in fact we
may even understand things better. Also, without certain tools, some things
become impossible to accomplish. The real question is where
On 02/26/2012 06:42 AM, Judy Perry wrote:
You are correct; they have NO IDEA how their file system works. I'm
lucky if they can even recall what they named a file, and they pay
ZERO attention to file formats. One couldn't grasp the concept of
overwriting a file. Sigh.
Judy
On Tue, 14 Feb
On 02/26/2012 06:48 AM, Judy Perry wrote:
O_o
Judy
On Wed, 15 Feb 2012, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
I think you should also not underestimate the value of a predictive (and
more advanced AI) system that allows other interfaces to be more
simplified.
So many lessons were learned starting from the
Come to think of things:
Plonking a kid down in front of a computer that has NO programs on it, just
RunRev/Livecode and showing her/him that, very quickly indeed, s/he can get
quite a long way with getting the machine to do what one wants, is
pretty good.
I do this every summer; lots of
We're wandering a bit here, but I disagree completely, so of course I
should reply ;-)
Some 100 years ago, it was considered necessary to memorize log tables.
That skill is now useless.
I remember (near 50 here as well) learning how to derive a square root.
That skill is also useless.
I agree
On 02/26/2012 07:18 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote:
We're wandering a bit here, but I disagree completely, so of course I
should reply ;-)
I'm not sure whether we are wandering, as there is some sort of malaise
among young people
if they think that knowing how to create emoticons in Facebook
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Richmond wrote:
On 02/26/2012 07:18 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote:
We're wandering a bit here, but I disagree completely, so of course I
should reply ;-)
I'm not sure whether we are wandering, as there is some sort of malaise
among young people
if they think
On 02/26/2012 08:42 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
Richmond-
Sunday, February 26, 2012, 10:14:47 AM, you wrote:
A slide-rule helps children (and adults!) visualise numbers and their
relations to one another;
a calculator does not.
As does an analog clock: there's a mathematical affinity that grows
It's interesting that you bring up the slaughterhouse analogy -- I've used
it on many occasions to make the opposite point: I know that cows are
butchered to make steaks. I've seen videos of it, in fact. I shouldn't have
to learn how to do it to order at McDonalds.
There's a world of difference
On 02/26/2012 10:53 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote:
It's interesting that you bring up the slaughterhouse analogy -- I've used
it on many occasions to make the opposite point: I know that cows are
butchered to make steaks. I've seen videos of it, in fact. I shouldn't have
to learn how to do it to order
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.comwrote:
Kids should learn how to think, but in the context of the
environment they are/will operate in.
Which may change at any moment; so the more things they are exposed to the
better
chance they have to adapt to
Hi from Beautiful Brittany,
Geoff wrote :
I remember (near 50 here as well) learning how to derive a square
root.
That skill is also useless.
I agree with you that It is far more IMPORTANT that kids learn to
think
logically and coherently, but that doesn't at all mean that they
learn a
I'm (almost entirely) on Geoff's side with this. I am old enough to have worked
on computers which wouldn't even boot up until some underpaid geek (me,
sometimes) had put in a bootstrap program directly into the machine's RAM -
this was done by flicking switches on a massive console. Output was
I think I still have a slide rule stashed away somewhere. It was my
step-father's. I once asked (circa 1983) in a chemistry class if slide rules
were allowed in addition to calculators, and everyone's head turned.
Richmond, to your point, check out what MIT is doing with Scratch Jr.:
Roger Eller wrote:
Imagine if Steve Jobs (RIP) had been simply given a Mac, iPod,
iPhone, iPad when he was a child. Would he have worked to gain the basic
understanding of all the underlying parts and code that brings forth the
usefulness of those inventions?
I'm somewhat reluctant to prolong
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.comwrote:
I have hacked the system
menus so NOTHING else is available at all.
Sorry, I'm confused.
Were not previous posts all about how hopeless the kids today are because
they can't even fathom the file system, and here you
You are correct; they have NO IDEA how their file system works. I'm lucky
if they can even recall what they named a file, and they pay ZERO
attention to file formats. One couldn't grasp the concept of overwriting
a file. Sigh.
Judy
On Tue, 14 Feb 2012, Peter Bogdanoff wrote:
When I
O_o
Judy
On Wed, 15 Feb 2012, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
I think you should also not underestimate the value of a predictive (and
more advanced AI) system that allows other interfaces to be more simplified.
So many lessons were learned starting from the lean restrictions of the PDA
era. More and
On 02/20/2012 07:18 AM, Kay C Lan wrote:
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 1:12 AM, Richmondrichmondmathew...@gmail.comwrote:
I wouldn't worry about that. In our flat one cannot see the living-room
walls (in some places 3 books deep).
You've seen the TV series Hoarders I presume
All my books (and
Hmmm, sounds like the exact same excuse I give my wife ;-)
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 2:16 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.comwrote:
On 02/20/2012 07:18 AM, Kay C Lan wrote:
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 1:12 AM,
Richmondrichmondmathewson@**gmail.comrichmondmathew...@gmail.com
wrote:
I
I saw one version where they built a robot arm (using LEGO, I think)
to turn the pages. The process had thereby been completely automated.
I also understand there is a Japanese company that does such scanning
(and reasonably priced). Last time I looked, they had a backlog of
months.
I feel I
On 02/19/2012 05:24 PM, Bernard Devlin wrote:
I saw one version where they built a robot arm (using LEGO, I think)
to turn the pages. The process had thereby been completely automated.
I also understand there is a Japanese company that does such scanning
(and reasonably priced). Last time I
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 1:12 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.comwrote:
I wouldn't worry about that. In our flat one cannot see the living-room
walls (in some places 3 books deep).
You've seen the TV series Hoarders I presume
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1000 pages per hour, and as gentle as you can turn the pages.
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote:
Someone needs to make a machine something like a cat scanner but that can
take a 3D image of an entire book so that the pages can be
On 02/19/2012 06:53 AM, Geoff Canyon Rev wrote:
http://www.diybookscanner.org/
1000 pages per hour, and as gentle as you can turn the pages.
Really fascinating stuff..now how can I find the free time?
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Bob Sneidarb...@twft.com wrote:
Someone
://loewald.com/blog/?p=3494
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On 02/16/2012 12:40 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
What is Linux?? And what is miasmic? ;-)
One thing I am sure of; is that Linux is not miasmic. Beyond that, dunno!
Bob
On Feb 15, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Richmond wrote:
Having said that; this criticism comes from my own 'University' of Abertay
On 02/16/2012 04:21 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
On 2/15/12 7:53 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
Lynn-
Wednesday, February 15, 2012, 4:28:58 PM, you wrote:
More and more complex tasks will be able to be broken down to three
steps or less.
1. Take it out of the refrigerator.
2. Sniff.
3. Toss it.
On 02/16/2012 08:23 PM, Graham Samuel wrote:
You didn't ask what a cloud of unknowing is… there is an interesting answer.
Years ago, in the USA, I watched a film called The Never Ending Story,
based on a book by Michael Ende,
and it has had a permanent affect on my brain . . . :)
Graham
Alas, I think it is not a new phenomenon.
I am not young enough to know everything.
-- Oscar Wilde
Whenever I walk into a large library, I feel a sense of awe in the
physical presence of so much that I do not know, and will never know.
Being able to click between Facebook, Google and Wikipedia
I have to disagree. You are saying, it seems, that we have to dumb down the OS
for everyone in order to accommodate those unable or unwilling to learn as much
as they need to use it. I for one, cringe at the prospect of an OS that limited
what I could do or how I could do it.
I do think this
Someone needs to make a machine something like a cat scanner but that can take
a 3D image of an entire book so that the pages can be singled out and OCR
applied to them without damaging the book. Then we could get on much better! :-)
Bob
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What is Linux?? And what is miasmic? ;-)
Bob
On Feb 15, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Richmond wrote:
Having said that; this criticism comes from my own 'University' of Abertay
where, on the MSc course I attended, we had 3 weeks of lectures
on Excel. And, having been told the course was about
I do think this underscores a principle I have been stating
for years, that advancements in technology (at least consumer
technology) cannot continue to increase linearly forever. A
good friend of mine contends that it can! But I argue that
you soon reach a point where the average user
On 2/15/12 7:53 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
Lynn-
Wednesday, February 15, 2012, 4:28:58 PM, you wrote:
More and more complex tasks will be able to be broken down to three
steps or less.
1. Take it out of the refrigerator.
2. Sniff.
3. Toss it.
This list is almost
Too close to haiku to be
Too
On 02/14/2012 07:06 AM, Judy Perry wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012, Richmond wrote:
And how many people realise that Ada Lovelace was the Mother of them
all.
And the daughter of Lord Byron...
Certainly no flies on you!
Far more important, to my mind, is the fact that kids nowadays keep
will MS-Dos still run?
On 14 February 2012 11:41, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:
On 02/14/2012 07:06 AM, Judy Perry wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012, Richmond wrote:
And how many people realise that Ada Lovelace was the Mother of them all.
And the daughter of Lord Byron...
On 02/14/2012 09:50 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
will MS-Dos still run?
I have a Pentium 2 with 32 MB RAM that I recently reinstalled FreeDOS
with the GEM GUI on.
Runs really very nicely indeed, if DOS is your Bag.
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It is frightening to think that so many kids grow up to be adults and NEVER
form the thought, Maybe I don't know all about What positions do they
eventually come to hold where doing the wrong thing means damage, pain and
suffering and even death to themselves or others?
Maybe what we
When I started working at UCLA in 1996 very few students had used computers
before entering, or at least had used their own computers rather than a lab one
in grade school. Now 15 years later all have a laptop in class. However, about
3/4 of the Mac-using students in a music history class use
Peter,
Great observations; so we have even more than just generation gaps with which
to deal. I'm sure Richmond will have a lot more to add to this from his
experiences with children in his part of the world. Personally, I'm getting way
behind these days by not using anything but desktop Macs.
I still want my Save As.. menu item back. There seems to be some aspects
of Lion that assume I'm an idiot and might do something wrong.
On 14 February 2012 22:52, Joe Lewis Wilkins pepe...@cox.net wrote:
Peter,
Great observations; so we have even more than just generation gaps with
which to
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Alejandro Tejada wrote:
So, I find rather revealing that today so many developers
are mostly unaware of the existence of HyperCard.
I'd wager a majority of computing professionals these days don't even
know who Vannevar Bush was, or Project
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012, Richmond wrote:
And how many people realise that Ada Lovelace was the Mother of them
all.
And the daughter of Lord Byron...
Judy
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Alejandro Tejada wrote:
So, I find rather revealing that today so many developers
are mostly unaware of the existence of HyperCard.
I'd wager a majority of computing professionals these days don't even
know who Vannevar Bush was, or Project Xanadu. Kids...
:)
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On 02/11/2012 10:57 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Alejandro Tejada wrote:
So, I find rather revealing that today so many developers
are mostly unaware of the existence of HyperCard.
I'd wager a majority of computing professionals these days don't even
know who Vannevar Bush was, or Project
On Feb 11, 2012, at 12:57 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
I'd wager a majority of computing professionals these days don't even know
who Vannevar Bush was, or Project Xanadu. Kids...
My wife owns a laser printed, hand bound user guide for Project Xanadu that she
got from one of the guys on the
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At least Ted Nelson is still among us:
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