Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-20 Thread Monte Goulding
On 13 Aug 2015, at 9:09 pm, Mark Waddingham m...@livecode.com wrote: That's very true. Indeed, perhaps one could argue that GitHub needs service-hooks which allow customization of merging and diff display. That general feature there would solve the VCS problem in a natural way for a

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-15 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't include the vcIgnoreProperites , either. Nor explain it, it seems:-) This would cause all of the common suspects to not be included in a revision -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-15 Thread Monte Goulding
On 16 Aug 2015, at 8:51 am, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: But how would objects know whether or not to do this in less you set properties in them, anyway, or gave them a script? You give them a script. In my case you handle the lcVCSExport message if you need to do anything. In

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-15 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 3:56 PM, Monte Goulding mo...@sweattechnologies.com wrote: You give them a script. Yes, but the script still needs a way to distinguish which changes happen from normal use, and which from redesign, doesn't it? Clicking a property seems to be at least as easy as

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-15 Thread Mike Kerner
I'm still trying to grasp the advantage of BAF, since I'm guessing I'm in the target audience. Then, again, maybe not, since I still haven't gotten an email about it from Mildred et al. On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Monte Goulding mo...@sweattechnologies.com wrote: On 16 Aug 2015, at

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-15 Thread Kay C Lan
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Roger Eller roger.e.el...@sealedair.com wrote: Not contributing time and code does not necessarily make one a leech! Many of us contributed monetarily to the kickstarter, and I believe that earns us just as many beech points as anybody. Absolutely.

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-15 Thread Monte Goulding
On 16 Aug 2015, at 1:16 am, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: Along with their customPropertySet, there could be a vcsIgnoresSet, or a group of properties of vcsIgnoresPosition, vcsIgnoresHilite, vcsIgnoresText, vcsIgnoresVis, vcsIgnoresSize. There could be a vcsIgnore checkbook on

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-15 Thread Monte Goulding
On 16 Aug 2015, at 10:37 am, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, but the script still needs a way to distinguish which changes happen from normal use, and which from redesign, doesn't it? Clicking a property seems to be at least as easy as setting a behavior . . . In my case, I

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-15 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Monte Goulding mo...@sweattechnologies.com wrote: This is one of the curly issues. I personally can’t imagine the tedium of having to set a default property for half the properties of every object. It becomes routine; I'm building forms. I have several

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-15 Thread JOHN PATTEN
Hi All! I'd second what Graham and Jacqueline shared. My version control system is, Save as... and the corresponding file creation dates. I would be interested in learning more about versions control and tracking, though LiveCode development is not my primary job. (My primary job is K8

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-15 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Monte Goulding mo...@sweattechnologies.com wrote: As far as lcVCS goes I actually think it would be good better if we could work with Mark and Peter to get the file format into the engine. It really is insane that it isn't built in Along with their

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-14 Thread JB
Receiving Social Security benefits is not leaching off of society. You pay in until you retire and then you receive a monthly check base on how much you paid in. Those who spent their life leaching off society and not paying in very much get nothing or very little. The problem in America with

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-14 Thread Terence Heaford
On 14 Aug 2015, at 15:13, JB sund...@pacifier.com wrote: If you are paying into a pension your whole life are you going to call yourself a leach when you start collecting it? Is there an analogy here. In the UK people down the years have been paying into a pension be it Private or be it

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-14 Thread JB
And in every case of this type of theft you will probably find the global private management company Booz, Allen and Hamilton which was founded in Chicago, Illinois are connected. John Balgenorth On Aug 14, 2015, at 7:37 AM, Terence Heaford t.heaf...@icloud.com wrote: On 14 Aug 2015, at

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-14 Thread Martin Koob
: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Business-Application-Framework-tp4694846p4695027.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-14 Thread Graham Samuel
This conversation (about version control for LS projects worked on by teams, not really about BAF at all at this point) is beginning to go over my head. Long ago I worked in enormous projects (not far off 100 people) without comprehensive version control, and I guess we did something like

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-14 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 8/14/2015 1:47 PM, Graham Samuel wrote: To me the ideal is a system which can be explained to a team in an hour and which everyone can then stick to. My (fractured) reading of this conversation gives me the idea that we are approaching Gnome-ville, where really nothing can be explained in an

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-14 Thread Martin Koob
not having having a great deal of knowledge of version control has not prevented from using lcVCS. Martin -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Business-Application-Framework-tp4694846p4695053.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-14 Thread Richard Gaskin
Graham Samuel wrote: This conversation (about version control for LS projects worked on by teams, not really about BAF at all at this point) is beginning to go over my head. Long ago I worked in enormous projects (not far off 100 people) without comprehensive version control, and I guess we

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-14 Thread Roger Eller
My favorite quote of the week: The most important thing anyone can do with LiveCode is to simply enjoy it. Without that, nothing else is possible. --Richard Gaskin ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-14 Thread Richard Gaskin
Kay, while I don't disagree with much of the substance of your post, I would suggest we all try to avoid comparisons with things that lead to emotion-laden phrases like leeching off society. Open source is a gift, not an obligation, for both sides, developer and user alike. It's always a

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-14 Thread Monte Goulding
On 15 Aug 2015, at 1:09 am, Martin Koob mk...@rogers.com wrote: Monte has not charged for lcVCS to this point but I will happily pay him for it when there is an opportunity to do so. His original plan to provide the lcVCS engine as GPL and then charge for the IDE plugin and command

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-14 Thread Monte Goulding
In terms of the remaining work, would it be helpful if you had one or two other people to lend a hand with that? I didn’t really answer this question sorry. Probably the most helpful would be more documentation. Perhaps videos explaining things? I have some docs for lcVCS here

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-14 Thread Monte Goulding
On 15 Aug 2015, at 7:23 am, Malte Brill revolut...@derbrill.de wrote: how much would you think we need to raise to make your work on this worthwhile? I’d surely be willing to put in a couple of €s if we had something that installs easiely and is easy to use. (Of course best coming out

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-14 Thread Monte Goulding
On 15 Aug 2015, at 8:46 am, Monte Goulding mo...@sweattechnologies.com wrote: In terms of the remaining work, would it be helpful if you had one or two other people to lend a hand with that? I didn’t really answer this question sorry. Probably the most helpful would be more

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-14 Thread Malte Brill
The git IDE integration on the other hand could be a plugin (paid or open source) or part of the IDE that comes out of the box. It’s where the magic happens. Stuff like the toolTip on the script line numbers showing the author and commit message. So I’d rather focus on that stuff. Monte,

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-14 Thread Richard Gaskin
Monte Goulding wrote: It’s a bit of a “how long is a piece of string” question at the moment. I can’t promise to make anything work out of the box in the IDE. If that’s what the community wants (I want it too) then it’s probably better that whatever funding is raised goes to Edinburgh so

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-14 Thread Monte Goulding
On 15 Aug 2015, at 8:11 am, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Why not a bundled plugin? There's good precedent with LC shipping with third-party plugins bundled, and that makes it instantly available to the widest audience while still managing expectations in terms of

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-14 Thread Earthednet-wp
Kay, Good points, after ignoring the rhetoric. There could be argument about which features are included in all versions. Seems like zip and PDF support would be part of any modern authoring system. I contributed a substantial (for me) amount to the Kickstarter, appreciate the need for the

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-14 Thread Roger Eller
Not contributing time and code does not necessarily make one a leech! Many of us contributed monetarily to the kickstarter, and I believe that earns us just as many beech points as anybody. Climb down off that high horse. We can hardly see you way up there. Everyone should be able to have

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-14 Thread Graham Samuel
Well said! Graham (Indy licence holder and Kickstarter contributor). On 14 Aug 2015, at 14:12, Roger Eller roger.e.el...@sealedair.com wrote: Not contributing time and code does not necessarily make one a leech! Many of us contributed monetarily to the kickstarter, and I believe that earns

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-14 Thread Kay C Lan
illustrates to me that the community is very concerned about the possibility of a two-tiered livecode environment where we need to pay extra to get added premium features that we all will want. I wasn't going to post but this is such and oxymoron, and so prevalent here I just can't constrain

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-14 Thread Mike Bonner
As you read this, keep in mind I have no direct knowledge of the financial standing of RunRev, so its all supposition. (Plus, i'm not a big brain like most on the list, so ignore me if you wish) Lets get this out of the way first: Contributions here, and in the forums, as well as monetary

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-13 Thread Mark Waddingham
On 2015-08-12 23:35, Peter TB Brett wrote: On 2015-08-12 22:52, Richard Gaskin wrote: Now that we're talking about a much broader scope, and especially given the central role of VCS in fostering healthy open source work, my opinion is now more open than before, and somewhat undecided. If it

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-13 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 8/12/2015 4:35 PM, Peter TB Brett wrote: ## Business Application Framework != version control for stacks In the meantime, one of our developers explored an alternative approach to storing apps in version control. It becomes much easier when you constrain users to write and design

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-13 Thread Peter TB Brett
On 2015-08-13 09:07, Mark Waddingham wrote: On 2015-08-12 23:57, Monte Goulding wrote: As I said way back when, I'm not averse to Object UUIDs being added as metadata for the purposes of VCS (i.e. sideline data in objects). I'm still yet to be persuaded that replacing 'ids' with them is

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-13 Thread Terence Heaford
The view of an Open Source User follows: I have come to LiveCode from SuperCard on the Mac and was attracted by the KickStarter campaign which would provide LC as Open Source. I contributed the minimum amount as LC is for my personnel use and I doubted the sincerity at the time. I did

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-13 Thread Mark Waddingham
On 2015-08-12 23:57, Monte Goulding wrote: Thanks for the details Peter. I had thought the BAF was a product of your work on the file format. I wonder if the current situation warrants a further investigation into the things that would assist my script based solution? Object UUIDs and more

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-13 Thread Richard Gaskin
Terence Heaford wrote: The view of an Open Source User follows: ... I cannot justify the serious outlay for an Indie Licence in LC As an open source user, why would you even consider the proprietary license? I now await to be slammed by RG. I won’t take it seriously. Who's slamming who

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-13 Thread Terence Heaford
that if it had not been for those that supported the Open Source version then the Paid version would no longer exist and there would be no Business Application Framework. The conclusion could be that it’s the Business User who is benefiting from the contributions of the Open Source backer and it’s the Open

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-13 Thread Monte Goulding
To be fair it is a killer if you do not have such a front-end and want to have multiple people working in a rigorous way on a single LiveCode project ;) True but it’s not like there aren’t other funky file formats in GitHub… storyboard, xib etc.. nasty stuff. Keep the UI as code light as

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-13 Thread Mark Waddingham
True but it’s not like there aren’t other funky file formats in GitHub… storyboard, xib etc.. nasty stuff. Keep the UI as code light as possible and the code in nicely named scriptified stacks and it’s reasonable as far as I can tell. You could even put in some commit hooks to enforce a rule on

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-13 Thread Mark Waddingham
I’m not convinced it’s a killer. I just think it needs some special tools. It really wouldn’t be that hard to build a third party code review web app that integrated with GitHub via service hooks. Such a beast would know the export stack file format and present the objects in the same way the

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-13 Thread Monte Goulding
On 13 Aug 2015, at 5:50 pm, Peter TB Brett peter.br...@livecode.com wrote: On 2015-08-13 09:07, Mark Waddingham wrote: On 2015-08-12 23:57, Monte Goulding wrote: As I said way back when, I'm not averse to Object UUIDs being added as metadata for the purposes of VCS (i.e. sideline data in

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-13 Thread Monte Goulding
On 13 Aug 2015, at 5:48 pm, Mark Waddingham m...@livecode.com wrote: This is where UUID based on-disk formats fail - given a PR and its patch it is exceptionally difficult to work out in which objects the changes are being made. Given that LiveCode allows (and indeeds encourages you!) to

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-13 Thread Terence Heaford
On 13 Aug 2015, at 09:39, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: What compels you to keep writing like that? This is how I feel as an Open Source backer, let down. Now if I had been an open Source backer who laid out thousands for the principal of Open Source, let down would not

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-13 Thread Monte Goulding
On 13 Aug 2015, at 9:09 pm, Mark Waddingham m...@livecode.com wrote: True but it’s not like there aren’t other funky file formats in GitHub… storyboard, xib etc.. nasty stuff. Keep the UI as code light as possible and the code in nicely named scriptified stacks and it’s reasonable as far as

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-13 Thread Richmond
On 13/08/15 07:02, Mark Wieder wrote: On 08/12/2015 10:01 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: First, they are no longer Runtime Revolution or RunRev, they are LiveCode and have legally changed the company name. I don't think that's correct. The legal documents all say Runtime Revolution, Ltd. I

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-13 Thread Kevin Miller
Thank you to everyone for all your input so far. Kickstarter was never intended to cover all development costs for everything we do. Software moves on, platforms move on, development continues at an astonishing speed in the digital world. Kickstarter was intended to fund extra developers to help

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-13 Thread Terence Heaford
On 13 Aug 2015, at 13:58, Kevin Miller ke...@livecode.com wrote: We said during Kickstarter that the product would be dual licensed. That means we have an Open Source Community Edition and a closed source Commercial Edition. We made it clear we would continue to have a commercial product.

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-13 Thread Kevin Miller
Yes. Perhaps it would help to understand this in context if you look some more at how some other dual licensed open source projects are run. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can create apps On 13/08/2015 14:15, Terence

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-13 Thread Mark Waddingham
LiveCode is unusual in many ways. If there are anomalies with how it integrates with VCSes designed for very different languages that would really be the least of our concerns. Indeed - that is a good way to look at it. If accommodating other people's expectations of normal were a priority

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-13 Thread Richard Gaskin
Monte Goulding wrote: One thing worth considering is as complex widgets develop the number of objects on a stack should reduce dramatically making it much easier to work out what you’re looking at. Combined with scriptified stacks it’s starting to look like a reasonable solution. LiveCode is

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-13 Thread Brahmanathaswami
Aloha, Kevin: A well considered response. I'll be with you for the long haul, no question about that. Please do consider - hear our pleas for tools that are expected out of the box in an open source arena 1) long, long, long, long standing request SFTP on board. Make a widget fo that asap

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-13 Thread Richmond
+1 Hi all, Kevin mentioned in his orignal mail: … and a PDF Viewer. Please, please, please also give this one to „the masses“! We’ve been waiting for this for ages. Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de kl...@major-k.de ___

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-13 Thread Klaus major-k
Hi all, Kevin mentioned in his orignal mail: … and a PDF Viewer. Please, please, please also give this one to „the masses“! We’ve been waiting for this for ages. Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de kl...@major-k.de ___ use-livecode

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-13 Thread William Prothero
+2 Very important. Bill On Aug 13, 2015, at 11:33 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: +1 Hi all, Kevin mentioned in his orignal mail: … and a PDF Viewer. Please, please, please also give this one to „the masses“! We’ve been waiting for this for ages. Best Klaus

RE: Business Application Framework

2015-08-13 Thread Ralph DiMola
+1 William Prothero wrote That said: I love the application and am grateful for it every day that I use it. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdim...@evergreeninfo.net ___ use-livecode mailing list

RE: Business Application Framework

2015-08-13 Thread Ralph DiMola
: Business Application Framework +2 Very important. Bill On Aug 13, 2015, at 11:33 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: +1 Hi all, Kevin mentioned in his orignal mail: … and a PDF Viewer. Please, please, please also give this one to „the masses“! We’ve been waiting

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-13 Thread William Prothero
The big response on this topic illustrates to me that the community is very concerned about the possibility of a two-tiered livecode environment where we need to pay extra to get added premium features that we all will want. Personally, I am very happy with the direction and work that the dev

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-13 Thread Mark Wieder
On 08/13/2015 04:09 AM, Mark Waddingham wrote: That's very true. Indeed, perhaps one could argue that GitHub needs service-hooks which allow customization of merging and diff display. That general feature there would solve the VCS problem in a natural way for a number of types of data which are

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-13 Thread Mark Wieder
On 08/13/2015 10:45 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. - Gen. George S. Patton plans are useless, but planning is indispensable. - Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-13 Thread J. Landman Gay
On August 13, 2015 8:15:44 AM CDT, Terence Heaford t.heaf...@icloud.com wrote: Did you advise the Open Source backers at any point prior to or during the KickStarter campaign that the Commercial product would be different than the Open Source product except in the area of code protection?

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread Mark Wieder
On 08/12/2015 05:48 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: An object-oriented framework for livecode now featuring GIT support? Does anyone have any more information on this announcement I received? ? -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread Earthednet-wp
I would also find it very disappointing, after locking in 3 years of Indy license, to find that addon licenses were required to access some set of wonderful new livecode features. That said, I'm a single developer, so git isn't important to me. Also, if the purpose of the Indy license was to

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread Brahmanathaswami, Sannyasin
On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 2:48 AM, Andrew Kluthe and...@ctech.me wrote: I think git support without having to fiddle around too much would be pretty important to an open source community. Where did this announcement appear? I haven't seen it in my email and it's not in my spam. I have to

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread Peter Haworth
I got an email from Kevin about it yesterday. On Wed, Aug 12, 2015, 7:52 AM Brahmanathaswami, Sannyasin bra...@hindu.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 2:48 AM, Andrew Kluthe and...@ctech.me wrote: I think git support without having to fiddle around too much would be pretty important to an

RE: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread Lynn Fredricks
Application Framework, but if we are talking specifically about team features, aren't team features contrary to the idea of an indie license - which to me, suggests working on your own projects as an indie developer. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel
Here is the email arriving from Kevin yesterday... Subject: Something Big I want to improve your business, your cash flow, and your development work. To do this, we launched a new Business Application Framework. This framework brings object-oriented programming to LiveCode, is compatible

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread JB
I don’t completely understand the Business Aoolication Framework. I am talking about the business license version being able to use different versions such as the open source version. Does the open source version have code that people shave contributed to improving that is not part of the paid

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread Richard Gaskin
Matthias Rebbe wrote: Am 12.08.2015 um 21:33 schrieb Richard Gaskin: Kevin Miller wrote: If you want VCS in the Open Source Community or Indy edition, there is already lcVCS out there Where? The only lcVCS i am aware of is the free lcVCS plugin from Monte. You can download it at his

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread Monte Goulding
It's open source Richard. Anyone can distribute it. I just choose to distribute binaries of my open source stuff via mergExt for obvious reasons Sent from my iPhone On 13 Aug 2015, at 6:31 am, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Is there another option in the community that

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread Monte Goulding
1. Why hasn't this been more widely promoted? It's only been promoted on the lists, forums and Facebook. For a while RunRev were going to buy it, then they decided to do their own so I stopped pushing ahead with lcVCS as it appeared to be a waste of time. Now this and maybe it's back in the

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread Pierre Sahores
Le 12 août 2015 à 19:01, Kevin Miller ke...@livecode.com a écrit : The Business Application Framework is a framework for writing more serious applications in LiveCode. It is far more than simply adding ³GitHub to LiveCode. It brings in advanced concepts such as object-orientation, a model

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread Richmond
Kevin Miller wrote: The Business Application Framework is a framework for writing more serious applications in LiveCode. Am I the only one who feels a wee bit insulted? OK, OK, I know that I am a very small frog in the relatively large LiveCode pond . . . but I consider my /Devawriter

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread Peter TB Brett
implementation of stack (de)serialisation It's entirely free software, and anyone can take the code and finish the job. ## Business Application Framework != version control for stacks In the meantime, one of our developers explored an alternative approach to storing apps in version control

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread Alex Shaw
Personally still waiting for the Reworked Multimedia Support.. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode/posts?page=4 The current audio support is archaic and it's still not possible to easily record audio on mobile. regards alex On 13/08/2015 5:05 am,

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread Monte Goulding
Thanks for the details Peter. I had thought the BAF was a product of your work on the file format. I wonder if the current situation warrants a further investigation into the things that would assist my script based solution? Object UUIDs and more support for working out widget metadata without

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread Richmond
On 12/08/15 22:51, Lyn Teyla wrote: Hi all, I agree with many of the posters to this thread thus far that it would appear to be a mistake to offer, at this time, solely with the Business license, additional features such as built-in GIT compatibility, OOP and MVC. I would go one step further

RE: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread Paul Richards
Can be found here :-) https://github.com/montegoulding/lcVCS -Original Message- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Richard Gaskin Sent: 12 August 2015 21:31 To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Business Application Framework

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread Richard Gaskin
Paul Richards wrote: Richard Gaskin wrote: Matthias Rebbe wrote: The only lcVCS i am aware of is the free lcVCS plugin from Monte. You can download it at his site at http://www.mergext.com. I didn't see it there, and using the site's Search box yielded 0 results for lcvcs. Can be

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread Richard Gaskin
Richmond wrote: I don't think LiveCode will thrive if it continues to present itself to the world in the way it is just now. The more people who state their opinion, the more healthy and pluralistic the debate will become, and the more likely that LiveCode will sit up and take notice

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread William Prothero
But if there's anything in recent discussions on which there's anything close to unanimity, whether from ol' timers or newcomers, whether from open source developers or proprietary entrepreneurs, it's that maintaining feature parity between Community and Commercial as close as practical is

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread Monte Goulding
It seems that it's very much in the game. Peter's post was especially helpful for two reasons: - It confirms the inherent difficulty in creating a general-purpose VCS tool that covers all edge cases. Yes there were a few of curly issues I had to get my head around. - It clarifies

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread Brahmanathaswami
developer, so git isn't important to me. Also, if the purpose of the Indy license was to support single developers, working alone, would git be particularly attractive? Just asking. Bill That makes sense to me, Bill. I cannot comment specifically on the Business Application Framework

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread Richard Gaskin
Monte Goulding wrote: 1. Why hasn't this been more widely promoted? It's only been promoted on the lists, forums and Facebook. For a while RunRev were going to buy it, then they decided to do their own so I stopped pushing ahead with lcVCS as it appeared to be a waste of time. Now this and

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread Richard Gaskin
Andrew Kluthe wrote: ...I'm pretty shocked to that native GIT support and a proper MVC-style framework for livecode isn't part of Livecode Community. I think this is a big mistake on the part of the steward company of this software. I get the framework thing even, almost. But basic Version

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread Andrew Kluthe
-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Richard Gaskin Sent: 12 August 2015 21:31 To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Business Application Framework Matthias Rebbe wrote: Am 12.08.2015 um 21:33 schrieb Richard Gaskin: Kevin Miller wrote: If you

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread Richmond
On 12/08/15 23:52, Andrew Kluthe wrote: Monte said himself that he was going to stop improving it in major ways as he expected Livecode Community to have native git support that Livecode Community's steward company was working on. Many of us thought this feature was probably a WHEN and not and

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread Richmond
On 12/08/15 23:59, Brahmanathaswami wrote: @ Kevin: We are non-profit.. I have an Indy license solely for the iOS password protection requirement. Expand my use case to 10,000's of students and educators and hobbyists and web site owners who mix it up with desktop clients and server side API's

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread Richard Gaskin
Richmond wrote: I feel for Richard Gaskin a lot as he is caught between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea, and doing that for nothing as well: not fun at times, I'm sure. I appreciate your concern, but my experience is very much the opposite: I'm not on any payroll but my own; I am not an

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread Richmond
On 13/08/15 00:20, Richard Gaskin wrote: Richmond wrote: I feel for Richard Gaskin a lot as he is caught between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea, and doing that for nothing as well: not fun at times, I'm sure. I appreciate your concern, but my experience is very much the opposite: I'm

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D
Am 12.08.2015 um 22:31 schrieb Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com: Matthias Rebbe wrote: The only lcVCS i am aware of is the free lcVCS plugin from Monte. You can download it at his site at http://www.mergext.com. But you have to register first. I didn't see it there, and using

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread Richmond
On 12/08/15 23:52, Richard Gaskin wrote: Andrew Kluthe wrote: ...I'm pretty shocked to that native GIT support and a proper MVC-style framework for livecode isn't part of Livecode Community. I think this is a big mistake on the part of the steward company of this software. I get the framework

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread Monte Goulding
Indeed this is what I was told. I thought I had convinced Kevin that version control needed to stop being an afterthought on this platform and start being something that just works with the core offering. The platform wouldn't even be considered by most developers because of the binary format.

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread EED-wp Email
...@gmail.com wrote: Kevin Miller wrote: The Business Application Framework is a framework for writing more serious applications in LiveCode. Am I the only one who feels a wee bit insulted? OK, OK, I know that I am a very small frog in the relatively large LiveCode pond . . . but I

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread Monte Goulding
On 13 Aug 2015, at 9:52 am, Monte Goulding mo...@sweattechnologies.com wrote: Sample Stacks is a bit of a turn-off, and the older RevOnline name wasn't much better. But the role is very very worthwhile: it's where all of us can share stack files easily. I’ll upload today. Hmm… can’t

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread Mark Wieder
On 08/12/2015 05:45 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: Why doesn’t this thing support zip files... Indeed. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread Brahmanathaswami
Richard Gaskin wrote: So lets dive in with lcVCS in v7 today, and with any luck the project will attract enough contributors that they'll be able to handle at least some of whatever work may be needed to port it to v8 later, allowing you to maximize the time you spend on your externals which

Re: Business Application Framework

2015-08-12 Thread Mark Wieder
On 08/12/2015 02:27 PM, Richmond wrote: However, I do think that the person who said Good luck list/livecode community, I'll see you later. is not helping at all. That is just negative flack that does not lead anywhere. Agreed, although I have to admit I understand and have been tending in

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