Re: EU VAT changes small software businesses

2014-11-28 Thread Dave Cragg
On 27 Nov 2014, at 12:52, Ian Wood revl...@azurevision.co.uk wrote: Hi Dave, I forgot to post that link. :-( It doesn't help much because I'm a sole trader under the UK VAT threshold - VAT-registering the entire business for the sake of 1000€ in software turnover would wipe out about

EU VAT changes small software businesses

2014-11-27 Thread Ian Wood
I searched and couldn't find any discussion on the list, and this affects rather a lot of us... http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/taxation/vat/how_vat_works/telecom/index_en.htm From Jan 1st, business-to-customer software sales within the EU have to charge VAT based on the buyer's country

Re: EU VAT changes small software businesses

2014-11-27 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi Ian, Really, I don't have the slightest idea. It is not realistic for me to pay VAT to each individual country. I guess I will do nothing and wait for a letter from the tax office. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage:

Re: EU VAT changes small software businesses

2014-11-27 Thread Dave Cragg
Ian, For UK businesses, the link below gives some information of one way to handle this. I'm not sure how useful this is. Thankfully, I'm not affected at the moment. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vat-supplying-digital-services-and-the-vat-mini-one-stop-shop Cheers Dave On 27

Re: EU VAT changes small software businesses

2014-11-27 Thread Ian Wood
Hi Dave, I forgot to post that link. :-( It doesn't help much because I'm a sole trader under the UK VAT threshold - VAT-registering the entire business for the sake of 1000€ in software turnover would wipe out about half my income. At the moment it looks like I'll either have to stop the

AW: EU VAT changes small software businesses

2014-11-27 Thread Tiemo Hollmann TB
-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Ian Wood Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. November 2014 12:27 An: How to use LiveCode Betreff: EU VAT changes small software businesses I searched and couldn't find any discussion on the list, and this affects rather a lot of us... http

Re: EU VAT changes small software businesses

2014-11-27 Thread Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D
Hi Ian, thanks for bringing this to my attention. Until today i was not aware that there will be changes in EU law. At the moment i use 2 different ways to sell my license keys (which i create with Jacques great tool Zygodact) 1. Paypal from within my website There i am charging 19% VAT.

Re: EU VAT changes small software businesses

2014-11-27 Thread Björnke von Gierke
So basically, every one of you EU software sellers is going to be fucked. It seems that using the MOSS is only applicable if you yourself have a VAT identification number. Furthermore it seems to be opt in and not mandatory. Nontheless, it seems to me that you then will need to do the Vat stuff

Re: EU VAT changes small software businesses

2014-11-27 Thread Ian Wood
On 27 Nov 2014, at 14:25, Björnke von Gierke wrote: So basically, every one of you EU software sellers is going to be fucked. No, Anyone who sells in the EU and outside their own country, no matter *where* they're based in the world. :-( Ian ___

Re: EU VAT changes small software businesses

2014-11-27 Thread Erik Beugelaar
The whole European ³dream² just sucks... That circus located in Brussel is only good for run-out politicians and their ³believers² who are eating our tax money earned by hard working people. By the way given away by our own stupid government esp. my Dutch government (642.M euro tax money). The

Re: EU VAT changes small software businesses

2014-11-27 Thread Richmond
On 27/11/14 14:08, Dave Cragg wrote: Ian, For UK businesses, the link below gives some information of one way to handle this. I'm not sure how useful this is. Thankfully, I'm not affected at the moment.

Re: EU VAT changes small software businesses

2014-11-27 Thread Richmond
On 27/11/14 19:00, Erik Beugelaar wrote: The whole European ³dream² just sucks... That circus located in Brussel is only good for run-out politicians and their ³believers² who are eating our tax money earned by hard working people. By the way given away by our own stupid government esp. my Dutch

Re: EU VAT changes small software businesses

2014-11-27 Thread Erik Beugelaar
LOL! Thanks Richmond for your mental support. Cheers, Erik On 27/11/14 19:27, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 27/11/14 19:00, Erik Beugelaar wrote: The whole European ³dream² just sucks... That circus located in Brussel is only good for run-out politicians and their

Re: EU VAT changes small software businesses

2014-11-27 Thread Richmond
On 27/11/14 21:18, Erik Beugelaar wrote: LOL! Thanks Richmond for your mental support. Cheers, Erik Almost all of my support is 'mental'. Richmond. On 27/11/14 19:27, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 27/11/14 19:00, Erik Beugelaar wrote: The whole European ³dream²