Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

On 08/21/2015 03:07 AM, AndyP wrote: Preview image When Im happy with it Ill make it available for hacking Open source. Finally went and took a look - that's quite a nice start. I'm looking forward to that release.

Re: Script Editor future (was Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

Wold it be possible or even practical to use the atom editor passing info back and forth to LC thus separating LC from the editor so only one instance of the engine is required to be running ? No idea how to do this, just throwing it in for discussion. - Andy Piddock My software never h

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Malte Brill wrote: > Ali Lloyd wrote: > >> I don't think that the current script editor should be neglected > > I think that depends on when 7 will be EOLed. If you plan to have 8 > stable by the end of the year and you plan to have a new Script > editor there, wasting resources might be indeed a

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Ali Lloyd wrote: > On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 at 16:49, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> With the IDE things are even better: it's already written in a >> high-level scripting language. Why not use LiveCode Script? >> >> If we can't build a good text editor in LiveCode, what are any of us >> doing here? > >

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On Aug 20, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Ali Lloyd wrote: >> I doubt we will be writing a whole new script editor from scratch in one >> go. > > Wise, for all the reasons Joel talks about here (good link, Scott): > This is

Re: Script Editor future (was Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

Ali Lloyd wrote: > I don't think that the current script editor should be neglected I think that depends on when 7 will be EOLed. If you plan to have 8 stable by the end of the year and you plan to have a new Script editor there, wasting resources might be indeed a waste. Mike Kerner wrote: >

Re: Script Editor future (was Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

There are SO MANY things that can, and, in my opinion, should happen with a/the script editor, that I often wonder if instead of working on one, effort should instead be spent on a BBEdit/TextWrangler plugin or some method for leveraging someone else's text editor. Bootstrapping is an unbelievably

Script Editor future (was Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 at 16:49, Richard Gaskin wrote: > With the IDE things are even better: it's already written in a > high-level scripting language. Why not use LiveCode Script? > > If we can't build a good text editor in LiveCode, what are any of us > doing here? > > That is a false dichotom

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I've been playing around with IDE and have built a simple wrapper stack which just pulls in the existing LC IDE stacks into the wrapper, copies the LC IDE menu and has a few extra buttons to turn the standard LC Tools and Menu pallets on and off. No mods are required to the existing IDE stacks and

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On 21/08/15 10:38, Paul Richards wrote: Not a CMS builder, but a drag & drop webpage builder - to quote "No coding & free" http://mobirise.com/ Paul :-) All a bit too complicated for simple folk like me, I stick with KompoZer: http://kompozer.net/ Richmond. ___

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:-( Thanks Scott, PageCloud certainly looks a great tool Paul -Original Message- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Scott Rossi Sent: 21 August 2015 08:51 To: LiveCode Mail List Subject: Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card That

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That should have read "...ISN'T even out of beta..." Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX/UI Design On 8/21/15, 12:46 AM, "Scott Rossi" wrote: >Sorry Paul, Mobirise is even out of beta and it's already obsolete: >https://vimeo.com/127926346 > > >Admittedly, it's not free

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& drop webpage builder - to quote "No >coding & free" > >http://mobirise.com/ > >Paul :-) > > > >-Original Message- >From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On >Behalf Of Scott Rossi >Sent: 19 August 2015 16:

RE: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

Mail List Subject: Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card Here we go: Just 3 minutes ago, I received a announcement from Webflow for their new visual CMS: https://webflow.com/cms Building without programming is a popular trend :-) Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX/UI

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There is documentation up in the DP of 8 that is out there. We will be having a Global Jam shortly so everyone can get together to learn how to create Widgets. Stay tuned for more details. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can cr

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One thing that would really help with developing in LCB would be to have some examples of C++ code and the same code showing how you write it using LCB. John Balgenorth On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:39 AM, Roger Eller wrote: > On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: > >> I think this i

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When I asked, "Will there be a list, or guide to help a LC script user to know when to use LCB?", I did not understand that you were talking about dev time -vs- cpu time per type of function. So, nevermind that question. Roger EllerGraphics Systems Analyst 803 North Maple StreetP: 864.967.1625

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On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: > I think this is a really important principal. Always use the highest level > language you can for any given project. Offering that very high level > language option is a big part of LiveCode's reason for being. > Or primary (if not sole) rea

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Yes. I was talking about developer productivity. > On 20 Aug 2015, at 18:32, Colin Holgate wrote: > > I imagine you meant that it’s faster to program in, as opposed to faster > performance. > > >> On Aug 20, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: >> >> Now we have a third choice, an interme

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I imagine you meant that it’s faster to program in, as opposed to faster performance. > On Aug 20, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: > > Now we have a third choice, an intermediate > LiveCode Builder. Its much faster than C but slower than Script. _

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I think this is a really important principal. Always use the highest level language you can for any given project. Offering that very high level language option is a big part of LiveCode's reason for being. Previously our primary choices were between LiveCode Script and a lower level language such

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Ali Lloyd wrote: I doubt we will be writing a whole new script editor from scratch in one go. Wise, for all the reasons Joel talks about here (good link, Scott): More likely we will replace individual elements with widgets (as has b

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> > > Assuming one of the elements to be replaced with widgets is the field > control used to display code in the script editor, will it result in the > following long-standing scrolling issue (opened since March 2008) being > resolved? > > http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6286 > > Scrolli

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Ali Lloyd wrote: > I doubt we will be writing a whole new script editor from scratch in one > go. More likely we will replace individual elements with widgets (as has > been done with the variables pane) to make sure all the components work as > expected. Assuming one of the elements to be replac

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> > > Thank you for the update on progress and reasons for the delay. > > When you outline all the reasons, the delay is understandable. > > The problem, as I see it, is that until a better IDE is released the new > user > just sees a poorly executed environment without basic features. The new > us

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On 08/19/2015 11:17 AM, Stephen MacLean wrote: Wow, that is a flash back! Indeed. I believe I still have a Prograph CD around somewhere because I just couldn't bear to part with it. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing l

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Ah memories indeed. Prograph still exists (and works on current OSX) albeit as a project of love. http://www.andescotia.com/products/marten/ As for Metropolis, unfortunately not. Bought and killed. James ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lis

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Richmond said: > Of course this is all about taste (meaning > it's all in the mouth) so it would seem best, > if an all-in-one IDE like the VB6 one is to > be introduced to have it as one of 2 options. Single vs multi window does not matter as long as the editor is up to scratch and I can vie

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Sorry, it seems part of that accidentally became a quote. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-l

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> > > Excellent progress. With that foundational work out of the way it would > seem an excellent time to optimize the most important part of the IDE, > the script editor. > > Version 7 is where the company makes money today, and as the foundation > for v8 it's also where the company will make its

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Ali Lloyd wrote: > As far as I'm concerned these have all been strict prerequisites > for any genuine progress on modernisation and usability improvements > of the IDE. > > The biggest current roadblock is the script editor which is large and > dense, and the debugger. Excellent progress. With

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> Am 19.08.2015 um 20:31 schrieb Scott Rossi : > > Never used it, but yeah. > > I was thinking of something like MTropolis which wasn't really free form, > but similar. Thinking of mTropolis brings tears to my eyes. A great tool with a really sad end. Shame on you Quark Inc. ! Still have a co

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A few words on the IDE: Although we've not been able to prioritise IDE development in the 8.0 cycle, a great deal of work has been done and groundwork for future improvement laid. Firstly, a fair portion of that work has gone into supporting widgets, both in terms of their integration in the IDE an

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Ah . . . at last I found the term I was looking for that describes "that picture": https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/000/343/164/117dbdeb72106130b0c233e454653d14_original.png?v=1358445536&w=680&fit=max&auto=format&lossless=true&s=b51b389fb4ab85d0e86d29ecafb66656 a Single Document Interface. Ri

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Never used it, but yeah. I was thinking of something like MTropolis which wasn't really free form, but similar. http://www.gamutart.com/motion/interactivity/muntadss_mtropoli_view.gif Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX/UI Design On 8/19/15, 10:40 AM, "Lynn Fredricks"

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> On Aug 19, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Lynn Fredricks > wrote: > >> This kind of visual drag-and-drop programming UI has been >> done (and will continue to be done) for decades, and works >> pretty well for simple logic. > > Flashback: > http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech/Vol.10/10.11/PrographC

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> This kind of visual drag-and-drop programming UI has been > done (and will continue to be done) for decades, and works > pretty well for simple logic. Flashback: http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech/Vol.10/10.11/PrographCPXTutorial/ind ex.html Remember this? Very interesting concept at th

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Good for beginners, yes. But also for speciaized areas of a workflow, like navigation defaults. I didn't say lets make a UI that doesn't require any code. The Automation Engine I use has tasks that are for specialty purposes, but also within this workflow environment you can add a external task

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Here we go: Just 3 minutes ago, I received a announcement from Webflow for their new visual CMS: https://webflow.com/cms Building without programming is a popular trend :-) Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX/UI Design On 8/19/15, 8:35 AM, "Scott Rossi" wrote: >This ki

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This kind of visual drag-and-drop programming UI has been done (and will continue to be done) for decades, and works pretty well for simple logic. The whole "build without writing code" concept is pretty big right now. But visual programming becomes unwieldy and difficult to follow when logic gets

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Speaking of workflows, we use a product called Automation Engine in our prepress shop. You may not think "programming" when you hear the word "prepress", but with AE, that is exactly what it is. We take business logic, and map it to tasks, loops, forks, file io, error handlers, etc. with a graphi

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I like the IDE set-up arrangement as it is with the floating panes. It is an especially workable when using a two monitor set-up. If the single view arrangement were to be implemented in a new IDE then the option to un-dock the script editor at the bare minimum should be an option. I agree that th

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> On 19 Aug 2015, at 3:22 pm, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > The Viewer widget needed for that UI will be very nice for us, but I fear > making an IDE based around it, as it would no longer be truly LIVE CODE. I agree, personally I’d like a full screen script editor with an object tree on the side

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Richmond wrote: > My main 'beef' with an IDE of the VB6 type is that it blocks the > desktop from view and doesn't seem good if one wants to rearrange > where one's palettes sit on the screen. > > Things might prove a bit awkward if one wants to make a stack as > big as one's desktop if one canno

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I totally agree, I use Photoshop dialy and while I’m quite happy with a one window type of environment for image editing I really don’t feel it would be appropriate for app development. However, there are some areas that I feel could be improved in the LC IDE, so I wrote my own plugin to help o

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I'm messing around, as one does, in a scaffy carpark attached to the Conservatoire in Sofia, Bulgaria, having thrown one son on a plane to the States and waiting for the other from Germany. But I digress . . Reading a book from 1999 about Visual Basic 6 . . . AND what do I see? The "Visual

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Richmond said: > I'd be interested to know where one can > find these "usability standards", and by > whom they are authorised to be 'standards' I know of no single website to visit that lists usability standards. When I think of such a concept, it is more about tools working in a way that I

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On 18/08/15 16:07, Peter W A Wood wrote: Richmond Does "after LiveCode 8" mean "8.1" or does it mean "9 or maybe 10"? Because that could make quite a difference. It means that I don’t think it is going to be in any of the LiveCode 8.xx releases based on my memory of snippets of information o

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Richmond > Does "after LiveCode 8" mean "8.1" or does it mean "9 or maybe 10"? Because > that could make quite a difference. It means that I don’t think it is going to be in any of the LiveCode 8.xx releases based on my memory of snippets of information on this list and in the forums. (Which c

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On 18/08/15 06:58, RunRevPlanet wrote: Peter said: > I have no doubt that these promises > were very genuine. Clearly, LiveCode > hasn’t been able to deliver them in > the time they expected. I never doubt the sincerity of LiveCode Ltd. and the team behind it. I don't think anyone is

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On 18 Aug 2015, at 13:33, Richmond wrote: > > If Kevin made me IDE Czar […] I, for one, welcome our new IDE overlord ;) Fraser ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage you

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On 18/08/15 05:12, Peter W A Wood wrote: I have updated my KickStarter report card thanks to the information about the new player for Windows being planned for LiveCode 8.0 that Tom Bodine kindly provided. As I understand, the phrase “new visual editor” refers to the new IDE. LIVECODE KICKSTA

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On 18/08/15 03:13, Richard Gaskin wrote: RunRevPlanet wrote: > Richard Gaskin wrote: >> RunRevPlanet wrote: >>> I understand that things take longer than expected, but when I read >>> the Kickstarter Campaign it is clear that the new IDE is a core >>> part of the next generation. It is not a str

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You'd think that a software company would make the dictionary available as a searchable e-book too, if not an actual mobile app for all supported platforms, and made with LiveCode itself. On Aug 18, 2015 3:22 AM, "Peter W A Wood" wrote: > > LIVECODE KICKSTARTER REPORT CARD -Version 4 > > The firs

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LIVECODE KICKSTARTER REPORT CARD -Version 4 The first thing to note is that LiveCode Ltd has open-sourced LiveCode under the GPL licence. It is freely accessible on Github. The second thing to note is that the majority of the Kickstarter rewards have been delivered. Only delivery of printed co

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Matthias > On 18 Aug 2015, at 14:32, Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D > wrote: > > > > >> Am 18.08.2015 um 04:45 schrieb Peter W A Wood : >> >> There have been quite a few comments and clearly a number of different views >> amongst members of the community. I would like to add my perspective. >> >>

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> Am 18.08.2015 um 04:45 schrieb Peter W A Wood : > > There have been quite a few comments and clearly a number of different views > amongst members of the community. I would like to add my perspective. > > The LiveCode Kickstarter campaign was very unusual in that the LiveCode could > fulfi

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> "If your app includes FOSS, it must not cause any > non-FOSS Microsoft > software to become subject to the terms of any FOSS license." > Although Microsoft didn't name it, it's talking about GPL. > > But is it? GPL v2 and v3 are both on the OSI list of "approved" > licenses (what

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Hello Peter, Any chance of some basic improvements like edit bookmarks, or find and replace in text selections, with better keyboard shortcuts before Intelligent Code Completion? Peter TB Brett said: > My *guess* is that we'll have something > basic out by the end of the year -- Scott McDonal

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Richard said: > All the cool new greenfield stuff will > be just a playground for an aging > audience of a fixed size if newcomers are > disappointed with very basic > essentials. That's the thing, because I know how *awesome* LiveCode is, I have been willing to put up with the IDE as it sta

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On 2015-08-18 04:36, Richard Gaskin wrote: Peter W A Wood wrote: On 18 Aug 2015, at 08:13, Richard Gaskin wrote: What usability standards do you feel are not well reflected in the current IDE, and if Kevin made you IDE Czar tomorrow what are the first three things you'd do to fix that? 1. In

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Peter W A Wood wrote: > I believe that the statement “ it must not cause any non-FOSS > Microsoft software to become subject to the terms of any FOSS > license.” would specifically exclude the use of GPL licensed software > -

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RunRevPlanet wrote: Here is my point and regret: every month that a new user downloads LiveCode, plays with the IDE, and then leaves (likely never return) and laughs with her colleagues about a code editor that doesn't have bookmarks or search and replace in selected text, is a month wasted in bu

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Richard > On 18 Aug 2015, at 12:51, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > Peter W A Wood wrote: > > > I interpreted this clause from the latest Windows Store App Developer > > Agreement, to mean that GPL software cannot be sold via the App Store: > > > > d. FOSS Software. If your App includes FOSS, (i) y

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Peter W A Wood wrote: > I interpreted this clause from the latest Windows Store App Developer > Agreement, to mean that GPL software cannot be sold via the App Store: > > d. FOSS Software. If your App includes FOSS, (i) you are > responsible for compliance with all applicable FOSS license terms,

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Richard > On 18 Aug 2015, at 11:36, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > Peter W A Wood wrote: > > >> On 18 Aug 2015, at 08:13, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> > >> What usability standards do you feel are not well reflected in the > >> current IDE, and if Kevin made you IDE Czar tomorrow what are the > >> fir

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Ia rhea what you mean by PDF specs? PORTABLE DOCUMENT FORMAT (PDF) SPECIFICATIONS Technical Specifications Document John Balgenorth On Aug 17, 2015, at 7:37 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >> On 18 Aug 2015, at 11:50 am, Ralph DiMola wrote: >> >> How hard can it be to add pdf support to o

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Peter said: > I have no doubt that these promises > were very genuine. Clearly, LiveCode > hasn’t been able to deliver them in > the time they expected. I never doubt the sincerity of LiveCode Ltd. and the team behind it. But when a major feature which would be a tangible improvement for *ev

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> On 18 Aug 2015, at 1:36 pm, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > > 3. Support of Multiple targets (like Xcode) > > What are "multiple targets" in an IDE? I’m guessing he means being able to have more than one set of standalone settings as a named target. You could include different stacks or extra fil

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Peter W A Wood wrote: >> On 18 Aug 2015, at 08:13, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> >> What usability standards do you feel are not well reflected in the >> current IDE, and if Kevin made you IDE Czar tomorrow what are the >> first three things you'd do to fix that? > > 1. Intelligent Code Completion (li

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> On 18 Aug 2015, at 11:29, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > Peter W A Wood wrote: > > > After all, it looks to me that you cannot sell GPL licensed software > > through the Windows App Store > > I couldn't find anything definitive on that. I did find some older articles > about Win8 licensing

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Peter W A Wood wrote: > After all, it looks to me that you cannot sell GPL licensed software > through the Windows App Store I couldn't find anything definitive on that. I did find some older articles about Win8 licensing suggesting FOSS was prohibited, but I also found this one from 2011

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Peter W A Wood wrote: > Does anybody still think it is worth LiveCode supporting Windows > 8 Phone? If you and I bought Win8 phones to test with we'd double the installed base. :) I don't think there's a need for Win *phone* per se, but we do need touch support on Windows, and Ubuntu as well

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Monte > On 18 Aug 2015, at 10:52, Monte Goulding wrote: > > >> On 18 Aug 2015, at 12:45 pm, Peter W A Wood wrote: >> >> PS Does anybody still think it is worth LiveCode supporting Windows 8 Phone? > > Nope… I presume the goal will be bumped to Windows 10??? Perhaps there is no need for a re

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I think MS learned a valuable lesson from RT with its limited subset of apps written for the ARM CPU. Modern MS tablets are using the new quad-core Atom which is Intel. It will even run LiveCode on a tablet! If Windows phone does the same, there's no reason not to support it. On Aug 17, 2015 10:

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Richard > On 18 Aug 2015, at 08:13, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > What usability standards do you feel are not well reflected in the current > IDE, and if Kevin made you IDE Czar tomorrow what are the first three things > you'd do to fix that? 1. Intelligent Code Completion (like intelliSense) 2.

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Windows 8? No. 10? Yeah probably. If LC can be updated to be compliant with the UAP (universal app platform) If I understand correctly, dong that means it'll run on win 10, win 10 phones etc. Not sure how the backwards compatibility works though, and its possible I am way off base here too. On M

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> On 18 Aug 2015, at 12:45 pm, Peter W A Wood wrote: > > PS Does anybody still think it is worth LiveCode supporting Windows 8 Phone? Nope… I presume the goal will be bumped to Windows 10??? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com

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There have been quite a few comments and clearly a number of different views amongst members of the community. I would like to add my perspective. The LiveCode Kickstarter campaign was very unusual in that the LiveCode could fulfil all of the rewards without actually having to complete the proje

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Thanks for the info. I did not know what PDFium was and I have never programmed a widget either. As you can see I am very limited at moment. John Balgenorth On Aug 17, 2015, at 7:37 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >> On 18 Aug 2015, at 11:50 am, Ralph DiMola wrote: >> >> How hard can it be to

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> On 18 Aug 2015, at 11:50 am, Ralph DiMola wrote: > > How hard can it be to add pdf support to open-source? > > I read the PDF spec and got a headache on the 3 page. I know that PDFium is > doing the heavy lifting but the PDF spec is nasty. Add bookmarks, PDF fields > and java into the mix and

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I forgot to add the most important promise … LiveCode being open-sourced … as kindly pointed out by Jacque Landman Gay. LIVECODE KICKSTARTER REPORT CARD The first thing to note is that all the Kickstarter rewards have been delivered. The second thing to note is that LiveCode has open-sourced Li

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I have never used LiveCode Builder, IIRC. so I don’t know what it takes to help. John Balgenorth On Aug 17, 2015, at 6:51 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > JB wrote: > >> How hard can it be to add pdf support to open-source? > > Technically, it's a matter of copying the GPLv3 license file into tha

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nday, August 17, 2015 9:41 PM > To: How to use LiveCode > Subject: Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card > > How hard can it be to add pdf support to open-source? > > I read the PDF spec and got a headache on the 3 page. I know that PDFium is > doing the heavy lifting but the

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JB wrote: How hard can it be to add pdf support to open-source? Technically, it's a matter of copying the GPLv3 license file into that repository, and adding an appropriate note to the main source file. It seems the considerations here aren't technical. I assume the code is in C++ or Obh

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-Original Message- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of JB Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 9:41 PM To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card How hard can it be to add pdf support to open-source? I read the PDF spec

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I am using LiveCode 8.0 DP2 as my baseline, as I understand it to be the future and not the 7.0 series. And my comments are from a Windows perspective. Richard said: > What usability standards do you feel are > not well reflected in the current IDE, > and if Kevin made you IDE Czar tomorrow >

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How hard can it be to add pdf support to open-source? I assume the code is in C++ or Obhective-C. I am not a C programmer but I have learned a little about it and might be willing to help. First of all you would need to understand I am not completely up to par on C so I would need some help and

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Monte Goulding wrote: >> On 18 Aug 2015, at 11:04 am, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> >> Where? Maybe my coffee's worn off, but I can't find a dollar >> value for points on that page. > > Add Ons you can get with credits. > 20 credits are included with every business license. Spend your > credits on the

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I think your question about the indy license including the listed PDF support has been answered in that statement. The key word is exclusive. It looks like open-source needs to step up on their own. John Balgenorth On Aug 17, 2015, at 6:14 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >> On 18 Aug 2015, at

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> On 18 Aug 2015, at 11:04 am, Richard Gaskin > wrote: > > Where? Maybe my coffee's worn off, but I can't find a dollar value for > points on that page. Add Ons you can get with credits. 20 credits are included with every business license. Spend your credits on these list of exclusive add o

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Monte Goulding wrote: > The page states that a credit has a value of $99. Where? Maybe my coffee's worn off, but I can't find a dollar value for points on that page. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ___

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Everyone said PDF support will be available for 1 credit. So you got your wish. Now they want to know if the indy license will include it. John Balgenorth On Aug 17, 2015, at 5:02 PM, Ralph DiMola wrote: > I had a one-on-one with Mark at RR14. We talked about PDF support. We > discussed a w

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RunRevPlanet wrote: > Richard Gaskin wrote: >> RunRevPlanet wrote: >>> I understand that things take longer than expected, but when I read >>> the Kickstarter Campaign it is clear that the new IDE is a core >>> part of the next generation. It is not a stretch goal, and is >>> repeatedly emphasise

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I had a one-on-one with Mark at RR14. We talked about PDF support. We discussed a widget using PDFium. Mark and the team are well aware of the need of PDF support. I'm sure it's on the hot list. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdim...@evergreeninfo.net _

Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

> On 18 Aug 2015, at 9:33 am, Monte Goulding > wrote: > > t’s quite possible that they could release all the add ons you can buy with > your credits as dual license but just not include them (extra credits) in the > Indy license Hmm… looking at the page a bit more I see mobile camera support

Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

> On 18 Aug 2015, at 8:19 am, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > > It would seem what they showed then was less advanced than what anyone here > would need. And since you know of a good library that's cross-platform with > compatible licensing you're ahead of them. Actually no. They are fully aware

Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

On Aug 17, 2015, at 3:19 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > This implies that anyone using a proprietary license should be able to obtain > this, and the other add-ons there, as a separate purchase. But since no > pricing is available for any of them in any currency other than "credits", > the d

Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

Monte Goulding wrote: >> On 18 Aug 2015, at 7:21 am, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> On the one hand I don't recall any specific promises made about >> PDF rendering in terms of licensing, but on the other hand that >> PDF widget was the example used in Kevin's video from July 2014 >> to demonstrate the

Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

> Irrespective of things taking longer > that forecast (or desired) I understand that things take longer than expected, but when I read the Kickstarter Campaign it is clear that the new IDE is a core part of the next generation. It is not a stretch goal, and is repeatedly emphasised as a core pa

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