Re: dealing with these *huge* pdf files generated

2013-06-04 Thread Dr. Hawkins
I can now see in the output that checkboxes are bitmapped. But--and possibly part of this problem--so are field backgrounds, even when empty. Look at any of the schedules with alternating white and grey rows. These are created by setting, only for those lines, the field to opaque and the

Re: dealing with these *huge* pdf files generated

2013-06-04 Thread Dr. Hawkins
Here is a simple stack push the button to export it to ex2.pdf in the home folder. The cash on hand field shows when the pdf is printed. I duplicated the cash checking fields to create the cow tomato fields. I unchecked 3d borders. And that appears to take care of *these* pixels. I then set

Re: dealing with these *huge* pdf files generated

2013-06-04 Thread Dr. Hawkins
Here is the stack On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: Here is a simple stack push the button to export it to ex2.pdf in the home folder. The cash on hand field shows when the pdf is printed. I duplicated the cash checking fields to create the cow tomato

Re: dealing with these *huge* pdf files generated

2013-06-04 Thread stephen barncard
Dr. Hawkins no attachments allowed on this mail-list. They need to be referenced from elsewhere... sqb On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: Here is the stack On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: Here is a simple stack

Re: dealing with these *huge* pdf files generated

2013-06-04 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 7:06 PM, stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote: Dr. Hawkins no attachments allowed on this mail-list. They need to be referenced from elsewhere... I believe that it is a 15k limit on this list. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462

Re: dealing with these *huge* pdf files generated

2013-06-03 Thread Alejandro Tejada
Yes, checkboxes are bitmap... and if there are a lot of them this explains all the bloat. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/dealing-with-these-huge-pdf-files-generated-tp4665689p4665782.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive

Re: dealing with these *huge* pdf files generated

2013-06-03 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 11:49 PM, Alejandro Tejada capellan2...@gmail.comwrote: Yes, checkboxes are bitmap... and if there are a lot of them this explains all the bloat. Many pages have a single checkbox. The first page, with lots of them, actually implemented them as fields and X's. I

Re: dealing with these *huge* pdf files generated

2013-06-02 Thread Alejandro Tejada
produced have thousands of objects (one for each word). Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/dealing-with-these-huge-pdf-files-generated-tp4665689p4665767.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com

Re: dealing with these *huge* pdf files generated

2013-06-02 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Alejandro Tejada capellan2...@gmail.comwrote: The PDF file that you linked (output.cd.jrlien_multiexempt.pdf) was really small. Just 468k. Could you post this EXACT PDF file created using LiveCode pdf printing command? I think this one was from livecode--but

Re: dealing with these *huge* pdf files generated

2013-06-02 Thread stephen barncard
of objects (one for each word). Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/dealing-with-these-huge-pdf-files-generated-tp4665689p4665767.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com

Re: dealing with these *huge* pdf files generated

2013-06-02 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 4:23 PM, stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote: I don't know how many pages are involved, but half a megabye doesn't seem small for textual information. That's a lot of bloat in my opinion I've created multi-page pdf docs under 100k. 4 pages, but

Re: dealing with these *huge* pdf files generated

2013-06-02 Thread stephen barncard
that's really odd, as I thought Postscript was designed to be frugal - the beginnings of desktop publishing used machines with 128k of RAM! ( in the case if there is a bitmap present, all bets are off, because the size will explode trying to describe an image.) On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 4:26 PM,

Re: dealing with these *huge* pdf files generated

2013-06-02 Thread Terry Judd
Perhaps you could 'replace' all the bitmaps with either graphic or text objects when you do your pdf export. If you have lots of checkboxes for example you could replace these with a simple x or tick. Any buttons you don't really need to show could also go. Terry... On 03/06/2013, at 09:32

Re: dealing with these *huge* pdf files generated

2013-06-02 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Terry Judd terry.j...@unimelb.edu.auwrote: Perhaps you could 'replace' all the bitmaps with either graphic or text objects when you do your pdf export. If you have lots of checkboxes for example you could replace these with a simple x or tick. Any buttons you

Re: dealing with these *huge* pdf files generated

2013-06-02 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 4:32 PM, stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote: that's really odd, as I thought Postscript was designed to be frugal - the beginnings of desktop publishing used machines with 128k of RAM! ( in the case if there is a bitmap present, all bets are off,

Re: dealing with these *huge* pdf files generated

2013-06-02 Thread Terry Judd
Just did a quick test - two cards, each with a field containing a single line of text, the first card has two checkboxes labelled A and B, the second has two label fields ('x A' and 'x B'). Exported both cards to PDF: card 1 - 11,100 bytes, card 2 - 3,500 bytes. If you are rendering a lot of

Re: dealing with these *huge* pdf files generated

2013-06-02 Thread Terry Judd
On 03/06/2013, at 01:38 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Terry Judd terry.j...@unimelb.edu.auwrote: Perhaps you could 'replace' all the bitmaps with either graphic or text objects when you do your pdf export. If you have lots of checkboxes for example you could

Re: dealing with these *huge* pdf files generated

2013-06-01 Thread Richmond
On 06/01/2013 02:33 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: I am ending up with *huge* pdf files. I'm seeing Acrobat 10 pro mac reduce files by over 90%, and preview reduce them by about 80%. These insanely large files bog up the printer, and are bigger than the court allows. Is there some sane way to

Re: dealing with these *huge* pdf files generated

2013-06-01 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 1:04 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: 'hypercard' ??? is that some sort of retro psychological slip? A double-slip, at that--I went over from HyperCard to SuperCard with this program because HC couldn't have multiple stacks/views open at the time, and SC

Re: dealing with these *huge* pdf files generated

2013-06-01 Thread Richmond
On 06/01/2013 05:51 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 1:04 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: 'hypercard' ??? is that some sort of retro psychological slip? A double-slip, at that--I went over from HyperCard to SuperCard with this program because HC couldn't have

Re: dealing with these *huge* pdf files generated

2013-06-01 Thread Alejandro Tejada
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Re: dealing with these *huge* pdf files generated

2013-06-01 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Alejandro Tejada capellan2...@gmail.com wrote: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/ANN-Quartam-PDF-Library-1-1-5-Available-td4658335.html But that doesn't seem to do it: Nor can it be used to modify existing PDF documents or extract text from them.

Re: dealing with these *huge* pdf files generated

2013-06-01 Thread Warren Samples
On 05/31/2013 06:33 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: I am ending up with *huge* pdf files. I'm seeing Acrobat 10 pro mac reduce files by over 90%, and preview reduce them by about 80%. These insanely large files bog up the printer, and are bigger than the court allows. Is there some sane way to

Re: dealing with these *huge* pdf files generated

2013-06-01 Thread Alejandro Tejada
By the way, I still believe that a PDF build using Quartam must be smaller than a PDF created in an automatic way. :) Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/dealing-with-these-huge-pdf-files-generated-tp4665689p4665712.html Sent from the Revolution

Re: dealing with these *huge* pdf files generated

2013-06-01 Thread Richmond
On 06/01/2013 10:58 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: Hi, Dr. Hawkins wrote But that doesn't seem to do it: Nor can it be used to modify existing PDF documents or extract text from them. The issue here isn't *generating* a pdf, but that when I export a card to one, livecode is *horribly*

Re: dealing with these *huge* pdf files generated

2013-06-01 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Alejandro Tejada capellan2...@gmail.comwrote: Could any of these options help to reduce PDF size? http://smallpdf.com/ http://www.pdfcompressor.org/ https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3048661?start=0tstart=0

Re: dealing with these *huge* pdf files generated

2013-06-01 Thread Alejandro Tejada
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Re: dealing with these *huge* pdf files generated

2013-06-01 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Alejandro Tejada capellan2...@gmail.comwrote: Have you tried to generate the PDF using Quartam Library? No; I don't even have the community edition installed. I am sure that Jan Schenkel will help you to convert one of your documents in a PDF After you

Re: dealing with these *huge* pdf files generated

2013-06-01 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 6/1/13 8:46 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: But that's the problem: I don't want to *convert* things--my software generates rather elaborate output cards, with huge amounts of time having gone into placing fields, etc. on output cards. All I need to do is output to pdf, which LiveCode already

Re: dealing with these *huge* pdf files generated

2013-06-01 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 8:55 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: Are these cards fixed, static cards in the stack or are the objects on them generated dynamically? If they're fixed during development, you could use the replace trick, where you generate pdf data with placeholders

dealing with these *huge* pdf files generated

2013-05-31 Thread Dr. Hawkins
I am ending up with *huge* pdf files. I'm seeing Acrobat 10 pro mac reduce files by over 90%, and preview reduce them by about 80%. These insanely large files bog up the printer, and are bigger than the court allows. Is there some sane way to produce ssmaller files from within hypercard? --

Re: dealing with these *huge* pdf files generated

2013-05-31 Thread stephen barncard
Hypercard? You mean livecode? On a mac, the smallest files seem to be created using the Print Dialog method. sqb On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: I am ending up with *huge* pdf files. I'm seeing Acrobat 10 pro mac reduce files by over 90%, and preview

Re: dealing with these *huge* pdf files generated

2013-05-31 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 5:24 PM, stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote: Hypercard? You mean livecode? Errr . . . :) This application *was* originally written in HyperCard over 20 years ago. Yeah, I'm sticking with that one :) On a mac, the smallest files seem to be created