Bob,
Sounds like your forms generator could be very useful to me, too. Any plans to
share, make public, or .?
Bill
William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org
On Feb 25, 2014, at 12:38 AM, Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D
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Bob,
Am 25.02.2014 um 02:17
On Feb 24, 2014, at 8:32 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
All my unparalleled skill and expertise as an IT Jedi Master can be
attributed to Google. Thanks Google! “You’re welcome Jedi Bob!”
GOOGLE, n. Acronym: God's Own Official Guide to Locating Everything.
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When someone says to me that LC is just for amateurs and hobbyists and can't
really do any heavy lifting, the first thing I point them to is this:
http://livecode.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/USGS-Landsat7-ForestryApp-livecode-case-study.pdf
-- The NASA Landsat 7 satellite imaging scheduling
Peter M. Brigham wrote:
When someone says to me that LC is just for amateurs and hobbyists and can't
really do any heavy lifting, the first thing I point them to is this:
http://livecode.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/USGS-Landsat7-ForestryApp-livecode-case-study.pdf
-- The NASA Landsat 7
Bob Sneidar wrote:
yeah… troll.
He might try looking at Wowmatrix, which was written ENTIRELY in
Livecode. It goes out to various WOW add-on sites, checks for the
latest versions, compares it with the users current version, allows
the user to selectively or globally update their add-ons,
On 2/25/14 8:18 AM, Benjamin Beaumont wrote:
...
As we approach a DP we have a decision to make in regards to our
continuing support for older platforms, in particular, Mac OSX 10.5.
...
However, only 3.8% of Mac desktop computers are running MacOS X 10.5
according to netmarketshare.com
I am currently only a user of the Community Edition and so feel a little guilty
about posting regarding this subject, however…
The main reason I have not become a fully paid up member is for me the lack of
a speedy scrolling data grid.
I am currently also evaluating Xojo.
I really don’t want
Richard:
I think the math is pretty compelling in favor of your proposal to drop
support for that very old version of OS X.
You folks have done a stellar job of supporting older versions of OS X
longer than even Apple. Sometimes you just gotta cut the cord and move on.
+1
Terence:
On 25.02.2014 at 16:18 Uhr + Benjamin Beaumont apparently wrote:
Dear List Members,
Thanks for reading up to this point. We appreciate your feedback as it will
help us in our decision making process.
Warm regards,
Ben
My vote: Drop support for 10.5 for LC 6.7 and newer.
RObert
Though I can follow the arguments for concentrating the efforts on new and
faster platforms, I actually can't believe that only 3,8% of Mac users would
be affected (if you count notebooks to desktops). I myself have beside my
iMac a MacBook from around 2007 which is not upgradebale on OS X 10.6
On 2/25/14, 1:52 AM, Richmond wrote:
Of course if you really wan to rub his face in the above you should post
it on the thread in the Forums.
I know you were probably speaking metaphorically, but we shouldn't be
rubbing anything in anyone's face, unless you want us to appear petty
and
Terence Heaford wrote:
I am currently only a user of the Community Edition and so feel a
little guilty about posting regarding this subject...
You needn't feel guilty at all. Freely sharing code is what the GPL is
all about.
You would only need a Commercial license if you need to deploy a
A little historical perspective:
Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger was released in April 2005, nearly 9 years ago. RunRev
only recently announced it is dropping support for Tiger. (In v. 6.6?)
The transition to Intel processors happened in 2006, 8 years ago.
OS X 10.5 was released in October 2007, 6.5
On 2/25/14, 10:18 AM, Benjamin Beaumont wrote:
So we'd like to consult the community to gauge whether now is the
appropriate time to cease our support for Mac OS X 10.5.
I haven't built for PowerPC in ages and no one has ever noticed. I vote
to drop support for OS 10.5.
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This is yet another opportunity for crowd-funding. Let everybody put their
money where their needs are. Default: Wave and move forward.
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 12:04 PM, J. Landman Gay
jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote:
On 2/25/14, 10:18 AM, Benjamin Beaumont wrote:
So we'd like to consult
Ben,
Dozens of my customers are still using Mac OS X 10.4. I'm quite
surprised that you are asking about 10.5. Perhaps you shouldn't ask this
list but some neutral source to find out how many people are really
using older systems.
Keep in mind that for people who focus on the Mac market, no
Is there a distinction between what the LiveCode IDE needs and what a stack
needs? Would an OSX 10.5 compatible standalone app be able to open and use a
stack that was made in LiveCode 6.7 or later?
If that’s the case then people could use the latest LiveCode for development,
and then either
J. Landman Gay wrote:
On 2/25/14, 1:52 AM, Richmond wrote:
Of course if you really wan to rub his face in the above you should post
it on the thread in the Forums.
I know you were probably speaking metaphorically, but we shouldn't be
rubbing anything in anyone's face, unless you want us to
I completely agree with Tiemo's comments. This is a big issues for me.
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Exactly, Devin! LiveCode is just getting back on the educational market
and now they are about to lose it again!
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Jacque,
Dropping support for 10.5 isn't the same as dropping support for
PowerPC. AFAIK, PPC support doesn't really exist for quite a while now.
10.5, however, also runs on a number of Mac models with Intel processor
and LiveCode would no longer be useful on those machines. If I and
hundres
Mike,
When we gave money, we didn't expect that our reward would be the lack
of support for Mac OS X 10.5.
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Currently, I don't target mac so it really my input doesn't matter much.
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Mark Schonewille
m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com wrote:
When we gave money, we didn't expect that our reward would be the lack of
support for Mac OS X 10.5.
That seems rather
Peter:
GOOGLE, n. Acronym: God's Own Official Guide to Locating Everything.
Good one :))
And there’s this:
http://www.thechurchofgoogle.org/Scripture/Proof_Google_Is_God.html
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On 2/25/14, 11:17 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
the audience for a thread isn't just one person, nor even all of those
participating, but really it's everyone who will read a thread in the
future.
That's what I keep thinking about. I immediately unsubscribed to a
mailing list once because the
Am 25.02.2014 um 18:02 schrieb Devin Asay devin_a...@byu.edu:
Dropping support for 10.5 won't affect me much, if at all, but I do worry
about the many primary and secondary schools, public and private, who still
depend on old hardware. (Richmond, this is your cue.) :)
My recommendation
Le 25 févr. 2014 à 18:04, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com a écrit :
I vote to drop support for OS 10.5.
+1
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On 25/02/14 18:18, Benjamin Beaumont wrote:
Dear List Members,
As many of you will know, we have been overhauling the LiveCode engine for
the last 12 months or so. For those of you who are watching the LiveCode
Github repository, you'll notice that:
- LiveCode 7 (Unicode) is nearing a workable
The Kickstarter campaign was all about modernizing LC. It's a clear choice to
me: drop 10.5 support. As others have said, people who want to maintain
their old systems can use old versions of LC.
Thanks,
Tom Bodine
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On 25/02/14 18:53, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
Though I can follow the arguments for concentrating the efforts on new and
faster platforms, I actually can't believe that only 3,8% of Mac users would
be affected (if you count notebooks to desktops). I myself have beside my
iMac a MacBook from around
Drop it if you need to... isn't it true that people can use older versions of
LC if they want to build for 10.5? Keep focused on forward movement.
my 2c
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Came across this great little utility from the makers of Memory Clean which
was recommended here a couple of weeks ago. It's $2.99 at the Mac App
Store. It takes a while to crunch away but it just identified 504
duplicate files on one of my external drives and saved me almost 17 gigs by
deleting
No, Andrew. I think this is exactly one of RunRev's problems. Too often,
they seem to have no attention for how many people are affected by a
small bug or a strategical change, which seems to be rather unimportant
at first sight. If you count the total number of hours that people will
have to
On Feb 25, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Peter M. Brigham wrote:
When someone says to me that LC is just for amateurs and hobbyists and can't
really do any heavy lifting, the first thing I point them to is this:
Richmond richmondmathewson@... writes:
As King of Retro I would like to say 'keep Mac OS 10.5', but realise
that, frankly, that the work involved
in not justified: so drop it.
BUT . . . Please continue to make LIvecode 6.5 and 6.6 commercial
licenses avaialble who feel compelled to build
Mark Schonewille wrote:
Perhaps you shouldn't ask this list but some neutral source to find
out how many people are really using older systems.
It seems he did both: before double-checking with the community, he
cited one of the leading metrics commonly used for identifying OS market
Peter M. Brigham wrote:
On Feb 25, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
What path did you follow at the site to find that PDF?
...
I had had the old Mirye webpage bookmarked, then that showed up as
dead, so I did a google search and located a PDF of the article in
the case studies. I
New thread created following Richards comment in Support for Mac OSX 10.5
The main reason I have not become a fully paid up member is for me
the lack of a speedy scrolling data grid.
Do you have any details on that you can share? Between Trevor's excellent
scripting, recent additions to
Would you be able to post your simple test stack? It’s quite possible that
LiveCode ends up being slower, but one possibility is that in the other two
cases the scrolling is happening if the key is pressed at the time, and in
LiveCode it may be limited by the keyboard repeat rate. So, it would
I am a little confused by your suggestion.
All scrolling of the LC DataGrid is done by holding the mouse down in the
DataGrid scrollbar and not via. the keyboard.
I may have confused you by referring to page Up/Down, I actually meant the
pageUp/Down parts of the scrollbar.
All the best
Terry
Terence Heaford wrote:
...
I then saw LiveCode and placed a small contribution to the
update/stretch goals as I was/am concerned that SC is not going to
be updated.
FWIW, SC's lead developer, Mark Lucas, is a friend of mine, and I'm in
touch with him pretty regularly. We'd talk more often
Out of interest
LiveCode.
1. Scrolling with Page Up/Down keys 7.5 seconds
2. Scrolling with Page Up/Down via mouse 9 seconds.
All the best
Terry
On 25 Feb 2014, at 18:57, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote:
Would you be able to post your simple test stack? It’s quite possible that
On 25/02/14 20:27, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Mark Schonewille wrote:
Perhaps you shouldn't ask this list but some neutral source to find
out how many people are really using older systems.
It seems he did both: before double-checking with the community, he
cited one of the leading metrics
Yes, that was what I was thinking. I see you’re getting 9 per second with the
mouse.
On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:03 PM, Terence Heaford t.heaf...@btinternet.com wrote:
I may have confused you by referring to page Up/Down, I actually meant the
pageUp/Down parts of the scrollbar.
Richard,
Fixed height row is being used.
As for passing the data in, it is simply tab/return delimited from the Sqlite
database
which I believe the DataGrid converts to an array for internal use storing at as
[row][“date”]
[row][“type”]
etc..
There are 3 behaviour scripts, for date, amount,
Richmond wrote:
On 25/02/14 20:27, Richard Gaskin wrote:
A PowerPC build of Xubuntu is maintained by the Ubuntu community
as well for those who need it.
At which point it might be not a bad idea to point out that RunRev's
time might be better spent putting a Linux PPC version of Livecode
PS: Richmond, have you considered trimming replies to the relevant
portion you're replying to?
I don't mind scrolling through a lot of text to get to your
one-sentence replies on my laptop, but on mu phone it's a more
cumbersome.
Pruning!
Best, Richmond.
On Feb 25, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote:
Richmond richmondmathewson@... writes:
As King of Retro I would like to say 'keep Mac OS 10.5', but realise
that, frankly, that the work involved
in not justified: so drop it.
BUT . . . Please continue to make
Andrew Kluthe wrote:
What is a little longer in your opinion? 1 year? 5 years? I would hate
for runrev to spend several months to make something backwards compatible
for a short time. Along with this time spent, I would imagine it would
further complicate the code base in non-trivial ways.
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Mark Schonewille
m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com wrote:
No, Andrew. I think this is exactly one of RunRev's problems. Too often,
they seem to have no attention for how many people are affected by a small
bug or a strategical change, which seems to be rather
Even if try to set aside the developer salaries and technical debt,
it's not like it's going to get any less dangerous using an
unsupported OS version than it was half a decade ago when it stopped
getting security updates.
Every year an unsupported OS is used, the only people writing
On 25.02.2014 at 17:53 Uhr +0100 Tiemo Hollmann TB apparently wrote:
Though I can follow the arguments for concentrating the efforts on new and
faster platforms, I actually can't believe that only 3,8% of Mac users would
be affected (if you count notebooks to desktops). I myself have beside my
Richmond wrote:
So, what chance a Linux PPC build and/or the ability to deliver Linux
PPC standalones from other platforms?
This is votable: http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=6t=19328
Good idea with the forum post. We may find others in the community who
have the time and interest
Terence Heaford wrote:
Fixed height row is being used.
As for passing the data in, it is simply tab/return delimited from
the Sqlite database which I believe the DataGrid converts to an array
for internal use storing at as
[row][“date”]
[row][“type”]
etc..
There are 3 behaviour
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Terence Heaford
t.heaf...@btinternet.comwrote:
As for passing the data in, it is simply tab/return delimited from the
Sqlite database
which I believe the DataGrid converts to an array for internal use storing
at as
[row][date]
[row][type]
etc..
I assume
Terry,
Fixed row height is an option only available for datagrid forms, so
it should be on no help here.
For datagrids working with databases, you should have a look to this lesson:
http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/m/datagrid/l/7341-displaying-large-amounts-of-data
Basically the trick is to
I say drop 10.5 support.
Any Mac OS X version older than 10.7 shouldn't be considered safe to use on the
internet, because it is partially open source and there are no security updates
provided for it. Meaning that hackers can tell exactly what is fixed and where
the vulnerabilities of the
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Terence Heaford
t.heaf...@btinternet.comwrote:
Out of interest
LiveCode.
1. Scrolling with Page Up/Down keys 7.5 seconds
2. Scrolling with Page Up/Down via mouse 9 seconds.
Hi Terence,
This sounds more of a speed issue related to how often the scrolling
On 2/25/14, 10:18 AM, Benjamin Beaumont wrote:
So we'd like to consult the community to gauge whether now is the
appropriate time to cease our support for Mac OS X 10.5.
you will have a much higher percentage of 10.5 in schools where computers are
usually used until they die and with macs
Hi,
Correct. one sqlite then dgText.
I have used the other (large data set) method in a previous attempt to improve
performance
but basically with the same result.
All the best
Terry
On 25 Feb 2014, at 20:17, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote:
I assume you get the SQLite data with 1
My mistake, when I said fixed row height I meant all rows have the same height
of 25.
The text is Lucida Grande 13 point.
All the best
Terry
On 25 Feb 2014, at 20:20, zryip theSlug zryip.thes...@gmail.com wrote:
Terry,
Fixed row height is an option only available for datagrid forms, so
Looks like the soon-to-be-released Wolfram language will be part of the
upcoming Raspberry Pi OS:
http://venturebeat.com/2014/02/24/knowledge-based-programming-wolfram-releases-first-demo-of-new-language-30-years-in-the-making/
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Would it speed things up by using the dgData command instead...? Its an array...
Again... Grasping at straws here... I've never seen a datagrid misbehave like
you've described... My apps use a LOT of datagrids and my tables are 100's of
thousands of records... I have one table that adds on
Hi,
Times getting on here in the UK.(22:11), it’s getting time for bed for old
people like me.
I will fabricate some not sensitive data for the table and create a quicktime
movie and post it where you can see it.
Will do this tomorrow.
Thanks for taking the time to think about this.
All the
Some cross-cultural issues:
http://blogs.hbr.org/2014/02/how-to-say-this-is-crap-in-different-cultures/
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In a sense it doesn’t matter if it is smooth enough. If the test was to click
and hold on scroll bar to page downwards, that should be a fair test across
tools. If LiveCode is managing 9 updates per second, and the others are
managing 15 per second, they are presumably faster at that task.
I
+1 drop support.
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Paul Hibbert paulhibb...@mac.com wrote:
I would be happy to see LC move on and drop support for Mac OS X 10.5 in
future, especially if they still supply LC6.6, I don't see any good reason
hold up so many other developers and their clients for
I also think that parking support for OSX 10.5 now makes sense - what is the
point of including modern LC stuff like scaleFactor for machines too old to
have retina screens?
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them. - William Shakespeare Hugh
Thanks Mark, that was interesting - no really - it was INTERESTING!
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On 2/25/14, 4:13 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
Some cross-cultural issues:
http://blogs.hbr.org/2014/02/how-to-say-this-is-crap-in-different-cultures/
This is very interesting...and I mean that in the Dutch sense.
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How awesome would it be if we had at least some of these commands in Livecode:
http://reference.wolfram.com/language/guide/MachineLearning.html
http://reference.wolfram.com/language/guide/ImageProcessing.html
There is a *FindFaces* function for God’s sake :))
One day, hopefully…
~ Ender
From:
Some cross-cultural issues:
http://blogs.hbr.org/2014/02/how-to-say-this-is-crap-in-diffe
rent-cultures/
Its got to go a step further though, and consider not only the cultural
context but the individual one - be prepared that your colleague of culture
X isn't a typical X, especially if they
Wow! This seems truly to be shift in paradigm. Even with the Open Language
we will be very busy catching up J
Mats
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On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Mats Wilstrand
mats.wilstr...@tapirsoft.com wrote:
Wow! This seems truly to be shift in paradigm. Even with the Open Language
we will be very busy catching up J
Maybe a function similar to shell, but for wolfram:
put wolfram(predict:number of LiveCode users
Did you see what [-hh] cooked up in the forums?
http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=76t=19132
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