Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

2015-08-19 Thread Roger Eller
Speaking of workflows, we use a product called Automation Engine in our prepress shop. You may not think programming when you hear the word prepress, but with AE, that is exactly what it is. We take business logic, and map it to tasks, loops, forks, file io, error handlers, etc. with a graphical

Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

2015-08-19 Thread Scott Rossi
Here we go: Just 3 minutes ago, I received a announcement from Webflow for their new visual CMS: https://webflow.com/cms Building without programming is a popular trend :-) Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX/UI Design On 8/19/15, 8:35 AM, Scott Rossi

Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

2015-08-19 Thread Scott Rossi
This kind of visual drag-and-drop programming UI has been done (and will continue to be done) for decades, and works pretty well for simple logic. The whole build without writing code concept is pretty big right now. But visual programming becomes unwieldy and difficult to follow when logic gets

Re: mouse pointer hot spot is way off

2015-08-19 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote: There's pretty persuasive evidence now that the shadowed variable bug is caused by stopping a debug run early. I'll watch for that, then. But it absolutely has to go; it costs me at least several minutes, and sometimes a

Re: BAF and other things - I am confused...

2015-08-19 Thread JB
Thank you! Yes I do have some things in mind. As I have said in other post I know a little bit about c++ and objective-c so I am not completely up to par on using pointers and c etc. I will need to go review lessons and code to even correctly write the pointer but I have used them in learning

Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

2015-08-19 Thread Roger Eller
Good for beginners, yes. But also for speciaized areas of a workflow, like navigation defaults. I didn't say lets make a UI that doesn't require any code. The Automation Engine I use has tasks that are for specialty purposes, but also within this workflow environment you can add a external task

Re: [OT] Copyrighting games?

2015-08-19 Thread Roger Eller
You could have your software log first-time app launches to a LC server database just to inform you that it has been installed somewhere, and include some kind of trace code to the purchaser. When you see 1000+ launches from different IP Addresses, you'll know it has gotten out into the

Re: [OT] Copyrighting games?

2015-08-19 Thread Richmond
On 19/08/15 20:47, Rick Harrison wrote: Hi Richmond Roger, You are referring to some kind of DRM (Digital Rights Management). While in theory it sounds great, very often products that do this are boycotted by users who find out about it, and it can ruin one's product sales. No, I'm not. I

[OT] Copyrighting games?

2015-08-19 Thread Richmond
I have recently invented a tiling game that can be produced as a physical game and as a computer game. This involved a lot of thought and a lot of work, and as a result I would like to try and make some money out of it rather than just give it to the world. However, never having copyrighted

Re: [OT] Copyrighting games?

2015-08-19 Thread Peter TB Brett
On 2015-08-19 18:49, Richmond wrote: However, before I roll along to the local plastic moulding factory I want to try to ensure that the owner of the factory doesn't merrily steal my product or start selling copies out the back door. You may need to investigate design patents as well, if

RE: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

2015-08-19 Thread Lynn Fredricks
This kind of visual drag-and-drop programming UI has been done (and will continue to be done) for decades, and works pretty well for simple logic. Flashback: http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech/Vol.10/10.11/PrographCPXTutorial/ind ex.html Remember this? Very interesting concept at the

Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

2015-08-19 Thread Stephen MacLean
On Aug 19, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Lynn Fredricks lfredri...@proactive-intl.com wrote: This kind of visual drag-and-drop programming UI has been done (and will continue to be done) for decades, and works pretty well for simple logic. Flashback:

Re: libCurl wrapper using LiveCode Builder [was: Re: SFTP support]

2015-08-19 Thread Lyn Teyla
Peter TB Brett wrote: The LiveCode engine can already do secure communication using SSL (Secure Socket Layer). It would *probably* be possible to use secure socket to implement FTPS (FTP over SSL) in scripts, without any engine changes (i.e. in libUrl). Given the following: 1.

Re: [OT] Copyrighting games?

2015-08-19 Thread Peter TB Brett
On 2015-08-19 18:25, Richmond wrote: I have recently invented a tiling game that can be produced as a physical game and as a computer game. This involved a lot of thought and a lot of work, and as a result I would like to try and make some money out of it rather than just give it to the world.

Re: [OT] Copyrighting games?

2015-08-19 Thread Richmond
On 19/08/15 19:39, Peter TB Brett wrote: On 2015-08-19 18:25, Richmond wrote: I have recently invented a tiling game that can be produced as a physical game and as a computer game. This involved a lot of thought and a lot of work, and as a result I would like to try and make some money out of

Re: [OT] Copyrighting games?

2015-08-19 Thread Rick Harrison
Hi Richmond Roger, You are referring to some kind of DRM (Digital Rights Management). While in theory it sounds great, very often products that do this are boycotted by users who find out about it, and it can ruin one's product sales. Years ago I had a shareware game that I asked people to

Re: [OT] Copyrighting games?

2015-08-19 Thread JB
Pantents are not cheap and have a long waiting period. Another thing to consid- about a patent is lets say you designed a new type of screwdriver. If you have used that somewhere like the workplace you will be denied the patent. So you will need to make your decision about getting a patent in

Re: [OT] Copyrighting games?

2015-08-19 Thread Paul Dupuis
The general reason for registering copyrights if to prove the date of the copyright if there ever is a lawsuit. If I release an App that states copyright @2010 on it and 2 years later in 2012 someone releases an identical app that says copyright @2012 and we get in to a lawsuit, how do I prove

RE: [OT] Copyrighting games?

2015-08-19 Thread Lynn Fredricks
There is no need to register your copyright any more in order to receive protection (although it may assist in enforcement). On the other hand, whether you have copyright on something and whether you can make money out of it are usually uncorrelated. My understanding is that if you do not

Re: [OT] Copyrighting games?

2015-08-19 Thread Richmond
Thanks for so much advice of all sorts! My feeling is that a copyright should be sufficient; or, put another way; if I make my million then I'm not going to worry unduly if somebody then starts copying the thing. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing

Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

2015-08-19 Thread Scott Rossi
Never used it, but yeah. I was thinking of something like MTropolis which wasn't really free form, but similar. http://www.gamutart.com/motion/interactivity/muntadss_mtropoli_view.gif Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX/UI Design On 8/19/15, 10:40 AM, Lynn Fredricks

Re: STACKLE - RSRC for LC Stacks - Are U Interested?

2015-08-19 Thread Peter TB Brett
On 2015-08-19 21:26, Brahmanathaswami wrote: STACKLE: Really Simple Revision Contro (RSRC) l for LC Livecode (and perhaps any other document type) Pass the Baton/Stack Well the day has come. I'm going to build it. I needed this two months ago. If you are interested, please reply off list. I

Re: libCurl wrapper using LiveCode Builder [was: Re: SFTP support]

2015-08-19 Thread Lyn Teyla
Peter TB Brett wrote: On 2015-08-19 20:27, Lyn Teyla wrote: Have you guys at LiveCode Ltd thought about implementing this revamp of networking/sockets by simply writing a libCurl wrapper using LiveCode Builder? Yes -- one of our very first, high priority ideas for an LCB-based project.

Re: libCurl wrapper using LiveCode Builder [was: Re: SFTP support]

2015-08-19 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Wednesday, August 19, 2015, Peter TB Brett peter.br...@livecode.com wrote: On 2015-08-19 20:27, Lyn Teyla wrote: Have you guys at LiveCode Ltd thought about implementing this revamp of networking/sockets by simply writing a libCurl wrapper using LiveCode Builder? Yes -- one of our very

STACKLE - RSRC for LC Stacks - Are U Interested?

2015-08-19 Thread Brahmanathaswami
STACKLE: Really Simple Revision Contro (RSRC) l for LC Livecode (and perhaps any other document type) Pass the Baton/Stack Well the day has come. I'm going to build it. I needed this two months ago. If you are interested, please reply off list. I will create a Google doc and invite anyone

Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

2015-08-19 Thread Richard Gaskin
Ali Lloyd wrote: As far as I'm concerned these have all been strict prerequisites for any genuine progress on modernisation and usability improvements of the IDE. The biggest current roadblock is the script editor which is large and dense, and the debugger. Excellent progress. With that

What is this - is anyone making money?

2015-08-19 Thread Pyyhtiä Christer
Although playing around with LiveCode for a number of years and enjoying - often 'trial and error' - haven't really got anywhere close to see the fruits for the effort making an application. As many of us I have paid for the licenses, put money out for free development expecting some wanted

Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

2015-08-19 Thread Richmond
Ah . . . at last I found the term I was looking for that describes that picture: https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/000/343/164/117dbdeb72106130b0c233e454653d14_original.png?v=1358445536w=680fit=maxauto=formatlossless=trues=b51b389fb4ab85d0e86d29ecafb66656 a Single Document Interface.

Importing unicode UTF8 text files - followup

2015-08-19 Thread J. Landman Gay
Just to follow up: When importing foreign language files, file isn't working. Non-ascii characters show up as question marks and textDecode does nothing. Using binfile and then textDecoding does import correctly but then text chunking by lines fails. Line endings are imported as 2 bytes using

Re: Importing unicode UTF8 text files - followup

2015-08-19 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 8/19/2015 2:34 PM, Peter TB Brett wrote: On 2015-08-19 21:09, J. Landman Gay wrote: Just to follow up: When importing foreign language files, file isn't working. Non-ascii characters show up as question marks and textDecode does nothing. Using binfile and then textDecoding does import

Re: libCurl wrapper using LiveCode Builder [was: Re: SFTP support]

2015-08-19 Thread Peter TB Brett
On 2015-08-19 20:27, Lyn Teyla wrote: Have you guys at LiveCode Ltd thought about implementing this revamp of networking/sockets by simply writing a libCurl wrapper using LiveCode Builder? Yes -- one of our very first, high priority ideas for an LCB-based project. I even made a start on it,

Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

2015-08-19 Thread Ali Lloyd
A few words on the IDE: Although we've not been able to prioritise IDE development in the 8.0 cycle, a great deal of work has been done and groundwork for future improvement laid. Firstly, a fair portion of that work has gone into supporting widgets, both in terms of their integration in the IDE

Re: [OT] Copyrighting games?

2015-08-19 Thread Richard Gaskin
Richmond wrote: I would like, initially to market it in the form of either plastic or card tiles in a box. Later on I might make a LiveCode game with it, using a commercial version of LiveCode. In the latter case I would want to make sure that another company would be discouraged from

Re: Importing unicode UTF8 text files - followup

2015-08-19 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 8/19/2015 2:09 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Just to follow up: When importing foreign language files, file isn't working. Non-ascii characters show up as question marks and textDecode does nothing. Using binfile and then textDecoding does import correctly but then text chunking by lines fails.

Re: Importing unicode UTF8 text files - followup

2015-08-19 Thread Peter TB Brett
On 2015-08-19 21:09, J. Landman Gay wrote: Just to follow up: When importing foreign language files, file isn't working. Non-ascii characters show up as question marks and textDecode does nothing. Using binfile and then textDecoding does import correctly but then text chunking by lines fails.

Autosave

2015-08-19 Thread Richmond
Why does this script NOT work in a small stack? on mouseUp palette stack AUTOSAVE put the short name of the topStack into TSTAK put TSTAK /the time / the date into TSTAKN put TSTAKN into fld TSTAKN save the topstack as TSTAKN end mouseUp Richmond.

[OT] Linux 32-bit to 64-bit

2015-08-19 Thread Richmond
I might actually pull my finger out and change my Xubuntu box over to a 64-bit version of the OS only because: 1. LiveCode 8 ? 2. VMware player does not work on Xubuntu 15.04 or 15.10 with the 4.1 kernel. However, I am hoping I can do this while hanging onto my HOME partition . . .

Re: [OT] Copyrighting games?

2015-08-19 Thread Mark Schonewille
Since nobody needs to pay money to copyright a work, or in fact nobody NEEDS to copyright a work, because it already is copyrighted, I'd say this website is merely a way to lose some money. If you want some real proof, just ask some people to read it for you and ask for comments. That is a

Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

2015-08-19 Thread Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D
Am 19.08.2015 um 20:31 schrieb Scott Rossi sc...@tactilemedia.com: Never used it, but yeah. I was thinking of something like MTropolis which wasn't really free form, but similar. Thinking of mTropolis brings tears to my eyes. A great tool with a really sad end. Shame on you Quark Inc. !

Re: Autosave

2015-08-19 Thread Richard Gaskin
Richmond wrote: Why does this script NOT work in a small stack? on mouseUp palette stack AUTOSAVE put the short name of the topStack into TSTAK put TSTAK /the time / the date into TSTAKN put TSTAKN into fld TSTAKN save the topstack as TSTAKN end mouseUp Does it

Re: What is this - is anyone making money?

2015-08-19 Thread Richard Gaskin
Pyyhtiä Christer wrote: As many of us I have paid for the licenses, put money out for free development expecting some wanted features, continued for Indie advancement payments (hope to live beyond the licenses expire), I have to ask my colleague developers, are you making any money with the

Re: SFTP support [was: Re: Distribute beta versions of iOS app]

2015-08-19 Thread Brahmanathaswami
In line: The regular requests for SFTP support are noted and SFTP support is on our internal list of feature requests -- indeed, I was recently discussing it with Mark Waddingham. However, it will be a large project that will involve writing and thoroughly testing a lot of new,

Re: STACKLE - RSRC for LC Stacks - Are U Interested?

2015-08-19 Thread Brahmanathaswami
Actually this app is pretty much already built.. I just have to change a small amt of code in an existing tool. @ Peter I will take a look at subversion... -- Swasti Astu, Be Well! Brahmanathaswami Kauai's Hindu Monastery www.HimalayanAcademy.com Monte Goulding wrote: On 20 Aug 2015,

Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

2015-08-19 Thread RunRevPlanet
Richmond said: Of course this is all about taste (meaning it's all in the mouth) so it would seem best, if an all-in-one IDE like the VB6 one is to be introduced to have it as one of 2 options. Single vs multi window does not matter as long as the editor is up to scratch and I can view

Re: STACKLE - RSRC for LC Stacks - Are U Interested?

2015-08-19 Thread Brahmanathaswami
Good call: and for a small bit of coin...there's this: http://www.versionsapp.com/ Swasti Astu, Be Well! Brahmanathaswami Kauai's Hindu Monastery www.HimalayanAcademy.com Peter TB Brett wrote: Subversion does everything you've described already, better (including the file locking

Re: [OT] Copyrighting games?

2015-08-19 Thread Rick Harrison
Hi Richmond, When trying to get your cost estimates from the manufacturer just use the same tile example you showed us. They only need to know how many pieces they are producing, and as to how difficult the pieces might be to produce using how many colors etc. Don’t give them any specifics

Re: STACKLE - RSRC for LC Stacks - Are U Interested?

2015-08-19 Thread Monte Goulding
On 20 Aug 2015, at 5:39 am, Peter TB Brett peter.br...@livecode.com wrote: Subversion does everything you've described already, better (including the file locking aspects). And it has an HTTPS interface, so you could write a client in LiveCode that uses libUrl to communicate with a

Re: Importing unicode UTF8 text files - followup

2015-08-19 Thread Peter TB Brett
On 2015-08-19 22:29, J. Landman Gay wrote: Thanks very much. The terminal command returns 0 (and BBEdit can handle the file too) so it seems to be valid. I'll submit a bug report, I can share the file without any issues. The following seems to work correctly: on importLanguage

Re: What is this - is anyone making money?

2015-08-19 Thread Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D
I am pretty sure there are many who made and still make money with Livecode apps. I for example have an app, unfortunately a niche product, which i am selling through Kagi for some time which gives me some revenue. I am selling round about 10 to 20 copies a month. I´ve created 6 iOS and

Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

2015-08-19 Thread Ali Lloyd
Excellent progress. With that foundational work out of the way it would seem an excellent time to optimize the most important part of the IDE, the script editor. Version 7 is where the company makes money today, and as the foundation for v8 it's also where the company will make its money

Re: libCurl wrapper using LiveCode Builder [was: Re: SFTP support]

2015-08-19 Thread Lyn Teyla
Peter TB Brett wrote: On 2015-08-19 21:53, Lyn Teyla wrote: If a libCurl wrapper using LCB is in development, wouldn't the above be a non-issue? That is, adding SFTP (or any other libCurl-supported protocol) shouldn't need to involve writing and testing a lot of new, security-critical

Re: Importing unicode UTF8 text files - followup

2015-08-19 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 8/19/2015 4:12 PM, Peter TB Brett wrote: On 2015-08-19 22:29, J. Landman Gay wrote: Thanks very much. The terminal command returns 0 (and BBEdit can handle the file too) so it seems to be valid. I'll submit a bug report, I can share the file without any issues. The following seems to work

Re: Importing unicode UTF8 text files - followup

2015-08-19 Thread Monte Goulding
On 20 Aug 2015, at 7:23 am, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: So... I don't suppose I can persuade you to upgrade to LiveCode Business, can I? I shouldn't need Business for that, should I? My script uses get url, I guess open file works differently? You must have looked

Re: What is this - is anyone making money?

2015-08-19 Thread Simon
Oh Yes! I've made a living for the past 8 or 9 years from apps I built with liveCode. No I have not become a multi millionaire but am doing fine. I guess what I do a bit differently is I get a job within a company and they do all the marketing stuff. I just code and talk to IT people. Recently I

Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

2015-08-19 Thread Ali Lloyd
Sorry, it seems part of that accidentally became a quote. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:

Re: Importing unicode UTF8 text files - followup

2015-08-19 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 8/19/2015 4:29 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: On 20 Aug 2015, at 7:23 am, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: So... I don't suppose I can persuade you to upgrade to LiveCode Business, can I? I shouldn't need Business for that, should I? My script uses get url, I guess open file

Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

2015-08-19 Thread Mark Wieder
On 08/19/2015 11:17 AM, Stephen MacLean wrote: Wow, that is a flash back! Indeed. I believe I still have a Prograph CD around somewhere because I just couldn't bear to part with it. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing

Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

2015-08-19 Thread James Hale
Ah memories indeed. Prograph still exists (and works on current OSX) albeit as a project of love. http://www.andescotia.com/products/marten/ As for Metropolis, unfortunately not. Bought and killed. James ___ use-livecode mailing list

Re: [OT] Linux 32-bit to 64-bit

2015-08-19 Thread Mark Wieder
On 08/19/2015 11:59 AM, Peter TB Brett wrote: On 2015-08-19 20:52, Richmond wrote: Can this be done? Peter beat me to the answer. Yes, I did exactly this a few years ago (in fact, I think I went 32-bit, to 64-bit, to 32-bit, and back to 64-bit, bringing my /home all the way). That's

Re: BAF and other things - I am confused...

2015-08-19 Thread Peter TB Brett
On 2015-08-18 23:39, JB wrote: That looks really nice! They have put a lot of work into it. It sounds like you cannot use any pointers yet or access everything in Foundation. You can use pointers -- but you can't dereference them. You can use pretty much everything in libfoundation, but not

Re: libCurl wrapper using LiveCode Builder [was: Re: SFTP support]

2015-08-19 Thread Peter TB Brett
On 2015-08-20 00:12, Lyn Teyla wrote: But that's just it — the network/sockets revamp using open language (presumably LCB) *is* one of the items on the roadmap from the Kickstarter campaign. While SFTP isn't specifically mentioned, that generally-useful LCB URL library is. Here's the roadmap