Up the ante

2016-05-23 Thread Bob Sneidar
For what it's worth I just x5 my pledge (granted what I initially pledged wasn't a whole helluvalot but neither is what I make for a living). Bob S ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe,

RE: Storing and retrieving data from a SQL database

2016-05-23 Thread Ralph DiMola
I know I'm late to the game... When I'm working with binary data (non-parameterized queries) all I escape on insert/update is the single quote. Nothing to be done when reading. I've had no problem storing/retrieving binary data using SQLite/MySQL. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information

Re: When is message passing required?

2016-05-23 Thread Richard Gaskin
Paul Dupuis wrote: > Does anyone have a compiled list of which messages need to be passed > or *should* be passed vs those that you do not have to concern > yourself with? "Should" is a tough thing to define, since it'll vary by use. I usually suggest to newcomers to the language that they

Re: When is message passing required?

2016-05-23 Thread dunbarx
I think the question is being asked "backwards". If you trap a message, it will die in that handler unless passed explicitly. This is simple to understand for the"mousdUp" message, say, because that is trapped for a specific reason, and may or may not be passed, as required. But with

RE: Bad Crash on Windows using LC8

2016-05-23 Thread Ralph DiMola
This "Save as" issue has been around for a long time(4/5/6/7/8). You can "Save as" and have no problem or suddenly the " already a stack in memory, please purge.." pops up or other times it happen immediately. And yes it always saves the stack correctly. I do version control by either "Save as"

Bad Crash on Windows using LC8

2016-05-23 Thread Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami
yesterday I was mentoring a newbie with LC 8 stable on Windows. Via Skype, he shared his screen. and we went throught the process of building a stack, making groups setting them as background, putting scripts into the stack scripts and calling from button etc. He uses MSWord and PowerPoint

Re: And while I'm at it...

2016-05-23 Thread Bob Sneidar
It's okay, I only hear/read what people mean, not what they say/type. Bob S On May 22, 2016, at 04:48 , Kay C Lan > wrote: UUrggh, typo: if THE number of lines of openstacks() = 2 then show stack "Mainstack" Why is it that I can only

Re: When is message passing required?

2016-05-23 Thread Mike Kerner
You only need to pass a message if you don't want another handler for that message to possibly get in the way. If you don't have a keyDown handler in any of your scripts in the message path, the engine will get and handle it. On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Paul Dupuis

Re: Avoiding a stupid mistake

2016-05-23 Thread Bob Sneidar
I wouldn't call it a limitation, RM. Otherwise we would have to call fire a limiting development in the evolution of cooking. LC allows a developer to do anything with the file system that the OS would allow. It just may not be immediately obvious what that is until it's too late. It's for

Server Glitch - You Can Pledge Again Now

2016-05-23 Thread Heather Laine
Folks, we had a server glitch which meant you were unable to log in to place a pledge (the server that handles logins went down). This has now been fixed, you can log in again now, and continue backing this vital project. If you tried to pledge in the last 2 hours, and couldn't log in, please

Re: When is message passing required?

2016-05-23 Thread Kay C Lan
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Paul Dupuis wrote: > In some dictionary entries, like for rawKeyDown, it talks about the need > to pass the message (unless you want to trap all key presses). The Dictionary entry for 'pass' also mentions the need to pass 'setprop' if you

Re: And while I'm at it...

2016-05-23 Thread Bob Sneidar
Okay I think I see now why my closeStack handler never got triggered in the mainStack. The closeStack handler is in the card script! The current card of the mainstack is not in the message path. Interesting little quirk, but I see the advantages. The card script will only see closeStack

Re: When is message passing required?

2016-05-23 Thread J. Landman Gay
On May 23, 2016 8:15:52 AM Paul Dupuis wrote: Does anyone have a compiled list of which messages need to be passed or *should* be passed vs those that you do not have to concern yourself with? There's no real rule about it, it all depends on the stack and it's own set

Re: positive infinity forever

2016-05-23 Thread Mick Collins
Thanks, Ali! And Congratulations! Ali Lloyd wrote: > > Having fairly recently done a PhD in set theory, I can confirm that the > independence of the continuum hypothesis has not been refuted! ___ use-livecode mailing list

[ANN] Release 8.1.0 DP 1

2016-05-23 Thread panagiotis merakos
Dear list members, We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.0-dp-1, the first development preview of LiveCode 8.1. Developer Preview Release = Warning: this is not a stable release. Please ensure that you back up your stacks before testing them. Getting

RE: Suspense

2016-05-23 Thread Ralph DiMola
I just upped again. We're SO... close now. If we get very close like 90%+ adding a couple of days would not be the worst idea. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdim...@evergreeninfo.net Folks, we had a server glitch which meant you were unable to log in to place a pledge

Re: Cloning a SQLite (or any SQL) database

2016-05-23 Thread Bob Sneidar
Not so. I use MySQLWorkbench from a remote computer to save the database locally on my laptop all the time. However, large SQL databases might be very time consuming to do remotely. I have a Database Setup card which is capable of copying the data from one SQL database to another using

Re: HTML5 standalone from Livecode 8.0.1

2016-05-23 Thread Robert Mann
No angry bird, just peace here! on safari 5.1.6 os X 10.7.4 Exception thrown, see javascript console : ANGRY.html:177run() called, but dependencies remain, so not running ANGRY.html:177pre-main prep time: 416 ms standalone-community-8.0.1-rc-1.js:1ReferenceError: Can't find variable:

Re: When is message passing required?

2016-05-23 Thread Paul Dupuis
First, thanks for all the responses, but I should have been clearer. I do know the LC message hierarchy and I know the difference between pass, send, dispatch, etc. What I was looking for is which messages, if intercepted, prevent a normally expected action in LiveCode. Richard's example of

Re: Positive Infinity forever

2016-05-23 Thread Bob Sneidar
The only thing that is certain about infinity is that it will remain a theoretical abstract forever. ;-) Bob S On May 23, 2016, at 01:35 , Ali Lloyd > wrote: Having fairly recently done a PhD in set theory, I can confirm that the

Re: When is message passing required?

2016-05-23 Thread Richard Gaskin
Paul Dupuis wrote: > "Normally" (and yes that can be subjective), you expect key presses to > cause characters to appear or clicking in a closebox of a window to > close the window. If the messages corresponding to those are trapped > without passing the message, the event/action is not performed

Re: Suspense

2016-05-23 Thread Dave Kilroy
Over at https://livecode.com/project/infinite-livecode/ I've left a comment saying I’ll add another $250 to my pledge if I can find another person who’ll also increase theirs by the same. Reply to this post and/or contact me directly (but before 9 pm) and we’ll make a pledging pact – anyone up

RE: Suspense

2016-05-23 Thread Dave Kilroy
Less than $10k to go ... 64 minutes and counting... https://livecode.com/project/infinite-livecode/ - "The first 90% of the task takes 90% of the time, and the last 10% takes the other 90% of the time." Peter M. Brigham -- View this message in context:

Re: Suspense

2016-05-23 Thread Earthednet-wp
Heather, I had intended to increase my $100 pledge to $200. I put in s second pledge at $100, assuming it would add to the previous $100. True? If not, it is my intention to pledge $200 total. Best, Bill William Prothero http://es.earthednet.org > On May 23, 2016, at 5:00 AM, Heather Laine

Re: Handling Top Status Bar in App Design Stage

2016-05-23 Thread Terry Judd
For iOS I¹ve just taken to leaving the top 22 pixels free of content. If I want a dark status bar with white text then I position a dark bg graphic in this space and set the status bar style to Œblack translucent¹ and if I want black text on a light background I either set the background of the

Re: Handling Top Status Bar in App Design Stage

2016-05-23 Thread Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami
Terry, thanks, that pretty much how I thought it would work. I wanted to hide the status bar in some "modules" (card-series) on the same app, but then show them on others as I think users appreciate having that information available… so if the app does not really require every single pixel top

Re: Handling Top Status Bar in App Design Stage

2016-05-23 Thread Terry Judd
I usually build iOS and Android apps from different files. The Android stack has the content all the way to the top and the status bar set to visible in the standalone settings pane. I also use a combination of the letterbox fullscreen mode and some geometry management scripts based around the

RE: Handling Top Status Bar in App Design Stage

2016-05-23 Thread Ralph DiMola
I use the entire card when in the IDE and on mobile resize down from the status bar as appropriate. The "effective working screenrect" is the card's working area on mobile. This allows for both the status bar and the keyboard(if visible). So when the keyboard is activated I have the choice of

RE: Handling Top Status Bar in App Design Stage

2016-05-23 Thread Ralph DiMola
I resize to the bottom of a 1 px transparent graphic line the full width of the screen that I place in the appropriate place based on the reported device geometry. In the IDE and on Android it's at y=-1, on iOS it's... well I don’t know or care, LC tells be where it should go. Then I place all

LiveCode 8 GM: inspector regular "goes on vacation"

2016-05-23 Thread Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami
I can be working for an hour or more and then suddenly the inspector refuses to open Is there a way to "kick it open" ?? nothing works here… not form the project browser or menus or contextual menus. only option: shut down LC and reboot. Anyone else seeing this? I submitted a bug report BR

Handling Top Status Bar in App Design Stage

2016-05-23 Thread Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami
We can check the status bar to appear when building standalone for iOS or Android. So how do you handle this during prototyping/design stage? 1) just leave the top 22 pixels of the stack bare/empty? 2) What if you want it to have the same color background as your stack? it is

AW: AW: Don't understand unicode handling

2016-05-23 Thread Tiemo Hollmann TB
Hi Jacque, thanks for the function update. But if you don't know, what kind of encoding the source file is, it's still trial and error, or is there any kind of "quickcheck" for the current source encoding? Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: use-livecode

Re: Suspense

2016-05-23 Thread Heather Laine
That sounds like a lot. But there are other ways of crunching the numbers: we now have 304 backers. If every one put in another $55 each we're there. That doesn't sound so much... Stop press, numbers are now 306 backers, and $53 more each needed. It's going to be an exciting ride today.

Re: Positive Infinity forever

2016-05-23 Thread Ali Lloyd
Having fairly recently done a PhD in set theory, I can confirm that the independence of the continuum hypothesis has not been refuted! On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 2:50 AM Mick Collins wrote: > (Try again, apologies for accidentally sending) > ... typo > When you said > "

Re: Cloning a SQLite (or any SQL) database

2016-05-23 Thread Kay C Lan
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 4:46 AM, Paul Dupuis wrote: > this app may use MySQL (or someday, possible other flavors of > SQL database) and I'd like to have a generalized routine that just > relies on LiveCode and "standard" SQL commands. > If you are using MySQL why not have a

Re: AW: AW: Don't understand unicode handling

2016-05-23 Thread Paul Dupuis
I spoke to Fraser when LC7 came out about a lack of a guessTextEncoding function. See http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14474 On 5/23/2016 3:08 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > Hi Jacque, > thanks for the function update. > But if you don't know, what kind of encoding the source file

Re: AW: AW: AW: Don't understand unicode handling

2016-05-23 Thread Paul Dupuis
Unfortunately, no, one was never posted. We're writing our own (since we needed one). It is still being tested and refined, but when "done" (perhaps another couple weeks and acknowledging that such a routine will never be 100% accurate), I will try to post it to the bug report. On 5/23/2016

AW: AW: AW: AW: Don't understand unicode handling

2016-05-23 Thread Tiemo Hollmann TB
I would appreciate it! -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Paul Dupuis Gesendet: Montag, 23. Mai 2016 14:25 An: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Betreff: Re: AW: AW: AW: Don't understand unicode handling Unfortunately,

Re: Suspense

2016-05-23 Thread Heather Laine
That's Audio recording funded. Way to go folks! We're onto the third and last stretch goal: Native Field Object. Read all about it here and lets get this one done too :) https://livecode.com/infinite-livecode-third-stretch-goal-mobile-native-field-widget/

AW: AW: AW: Don't understand unicode handling

2016-05-23 Thread Tiemo Hollmann TB
Yes, that function is exactly, what I was looking for. Fraser told to provide such a function, but I didn't see it yet. Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Paul Dupuis Gesendet: Montag, 23. Mai 2016 13:40 An:

When is message passing required?

2016-05-23 Thread Paul Dupuis
In LiveCode some messages must be passed to the engine for the engine's normal processing of the message. And with current versions of LC you have the very handy 'pass to top' to send it directly to the engine. For example, rawkeyDown must be passed for LiveCode to handle key presses other than