iTunes Connect claims iOS app wasn’t built with the iOS 11 SDK!

[hlowe via use-livecode]

We updated our ICD-10-CM-2018 iOS app to support the iPhone X screen
resolution and layout. As we now support the 5.8 Inch iPhone X screen, we
added 5.8 inch iPhone screen shots. On submitting the updated app version
for review we received the message below from iTunes Connect:

"The app previews and screenshots for the iPhone 5.8-Inch display won’t
appear on the App Store because your binary wasn’t built with the iOS 11
SDK."

We are using LC 8.1.9 (rc 1) and Xcode 9.2. In the iOS Standalone
Application Settings we chose 'Build for iOS iPod, iPhone and iPad 10.3 or
later'. The app runs fine on the Xcode iPhone X simulator, so I assume it
was built with the iOS 11 SDK.

Any idea what is up? This presumably means that our app may not be visible
to users running iOS 11?

Looking at the info.plist of the app I see the following:


DTCompiler
com.apple.compilers.llvm.clang.1_0
DTPlatformBuild
12B411
DTPlatformName
iphoneos
DTPlatformVersion
8.1
DTSDKBuild
12B411
DTSDKName
iphoneos8.1
DTXcode
0610
DTXcodeBuild
6A1052c
CFBundleDisplayName
ICD-10-CM-2018
MinimumOSVersion
10.3
UIDeviceFamily

12


Henry

Ascriva Health Informatics 

https://www.ascriva.com



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Re: Object layers

[David V Glasgow via use-livecode]

> . I continue to be amazed and thankful for the warm spirit of helpfulness and 
> friendliness in this community, freely given.
> 

Me too.  Nicely put.

David Glasgow


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Externally reffed-off

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

I am currently working on something that calls a lot of external images 
which are stored
in a folder called "rez" in the same location as my stack, and when my 
stack opens it

works its way through the script:

onpreOpenStack
setitemDelto"/"
setthedefaultFoldertoitem 1 to-2 of(theeffectivefileNameofthis stack)
gotocard "TITLE"
endpreOpenStack

nothing particularly odd there.

each image has "rez/imagename.png"
 set as its source.

AND everything works in the stack.

So would be extremely grateful why, when a Mac standalone is placed in 
exactly

the same relation to the "rez" folder it does not "pick up" the images.

Richmond.

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Re: Object layers

[Pyyhtiä Christer via use-livecode]

Just to respond.

Thank you for the advices - very helpful.  However, experiences with the early 
versions (say V5-V7) made me avoid the grouping functionality.  Maybe because I 
could not manage the concept too well.  So I have given it up and manage it (as 
do with scaling etc) with additional coding - with variable success, though.

There were two surprises in this discussion thread.  First, I did not get any 
response form the list on answers to my mail.  It would be helpful to get the 
response as an e-mai to the originator to speed up receiving the information.  
How would it become possible?

Second, there is a lot of really *unnecessary* blaah-blaah yadda-yadda mails 
nothing to do with the subject as a part of the thread (and many other threads 
as well; if you want to make it efficient, also please leave the pages-long, 
repeatedly appearing "when someone created the world" kind of poems).  If you 
do not have anything meaningful to add into the use of LiveCode, please, please 
get off the list, go to your Facebook.  I'd ask the LiveCode folks to put some 
discipline into this.

thx
Christer Pyyhtiä
MindCrea Ltd
chris...@mindcrea.com


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Re: Object layers

[Graham Samuel via use-livecode]

And again. I really could not count the number of times over the years that the 
good people of this list have dug me out of a LiveCode hole, usually (but not 
always) of my own making. I literally could not use LiveCode now without 
knowing the list is there as the first-aid line. One cannot always be asking 
the mother ship to resolve one’s confusions.
 
Graham

> On 10 Jan 2018, at 09:43, David V Glasgow via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> . I continue to be amazed and thankful for the warm spirit of helpfulness 
>> and friendliness in this community, freely given.
>> 
> 
> Me too.  Nicely put.
> 
> David Glasgow
> 

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Re: use-livecode Digest, Vol 172, Issue 19

[Peter Reid via use-livecode]

Hi Richard

I found this problem was particularly annoying, especially when trying to 
extract info from vCards exported from Contacts on the Mac, so I developed a 
tiny app in LC called vCard Clipper.

I've put together a web page about this app together with download links to a 
Mac App and the source code.  Here's the link to this web page, help yourself:

https://www.reid-it.co.uk/downloads/downvcclip.htm 


Peter
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> On 10 Jan 2018, at 9:38am, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 10:09:51 -0800
> From: Richard Burkett  >
> To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com 
> Subject: Problem pasting from Livecode to Mac Mail
> Message-ID:  >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Does anyone have a solution to this problem: I set the clipboard in LiveCode 
> to the text of a field or variable that has returns after each line. When I 
> paste that into Mac Mail, the text appears double-spaced as if it has two 
> returns, but clearly there is just one (or a combination of CR and LF?). I?ve 
> tried all the keys for setting the clipboard and also writing a script to 
> delete line feeds, or CR characters, but nothing works. It?s either no 
> returns, or what appears to be double-spaced returns. 
> 
> If I paste the text first into Text Edit, then copy it, and paste into Mac 
> Mail it?s fine - single line spacing. What?s LiveCode adding to each line 
> that causes Mac Mail to show the pasted text as double spaced? Is there a way 
> to filter/remove that?
> 
> Richard Burkett
> richard.burk...@sbcglobal.net 
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Re: OT: system recommendation

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

Thank you.

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> This is really the wrong place.You can find out all you need on YouTube
> videos.
> However, due to my own experience, I would consider only a very recent
> Macintosh system To work with 4K video. They provide the best bang for the
> buck over any PC.  The video “card” is an Integral part of the computer and
> system.
> Also your friend really needs to figure out which editing program he’s
> going to use FIRST and there are many... by the way, final cut Pro X for
> the Mac is what I would suggest.   It’s the best deal at $300
>
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 02:02 Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Sorry for the off topic question, but this is my most trusted place for
> > tech knowledge.  Appreciate any tips and advice (for a friend).
> >
> > My friend is looking to buy or build a pc to do 4k video editing.  I know
> > the obvious part.. If you can afford more memory, add more memory.
> >
> > After that, I'm lost.  intel vs amd?  For video, amd or nvidia or
> something
> > else?  Is there a synergy between choice of motherboard/cpu make/video
> > choice?  As for hard drive setup, i'm thinking a 500g ssd boot device
> and a
> > single 7200rpm 3tb or greater drive (drive space is CHEAP!)
> >
> > I also don't know how important drive throughput is for vid processing.
> I
> > know it matters, but how fast is fast enough?  Does it pay to set up a
> > striped set of 3 or 5 drives?  Or a hybrid drive?
> >
> > Is it acceptable to do the processing on a non 4k monitor?
> >
> > Unfortunately, cost IS a factor.  I know it boils down to how much cash
> one
> > wants to throw at it, but i'm looking for best bang for the buck, 1500 or
> > less.  (things could be bumped up later by adding mem, better monitor to
> > view output.
> >
> > Oh, also, this will not be online editing (Which I assume to mean "live")
> > and will be video from a gopro so the bitrate won't be as intensive as
> say
> > a RED quality camera.
> >
> > Thanks for any and all suggestions, and helping me provide better
> > recommendations to my friend.
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Re: Problem pasting from Livecode to Mac Mail

[Richard Burkett via use-livecode]

Thanks for the suggestion, Jacqueline, but it didn’t change anything. Anyone 
else have a script-based solution to make sure LiveCode pastes only plain text? 
ASCII, Native, MacRoman - none of those text encodings work. 
Even putting only this line in my script results in the same thing:
set the clipboarddata to ( "blah" & lf & "blah" & lf & "blah" & cr & "blah" & 
cr & "blah" & return & "blah" )

What’s different about text set in the clipboard in LiveCode from other text 
copied from other Mac apps?

Richard Burkett
richard.burk...@sbcglobal.net

> On 1/9/18 12:09 PM, Richard Burkett via use-livecode wrote:
>> Does anyone have a solution to this problem: I set the clipboard in LiveCode 
>> to the text of a field or variable that has returns after each line. When I 
>> paste that into Mac Mail, the text appears double-spaced as if it has two 
>> returns, but clearly there is just one (or a combination of CR and LF?). 
>> I?ve tried all the keys for setting the clipboard and also writing a script 
>> to delete line feeds, or CR characters, but nothing works. It?s either no 
>> returns, or what appears to be double-spaced returns.
>> 
>> If I paste the text first into Text Edit, then copy it, and paste into Mac 
>> Mail it?s fine - single line spacing. What?s LiveCode adding to each line 
>> that causes Mac Mail to show the pasted text as double spaced? Is there a 
>> way to filter/remove that?
> 
> I don't have a good way to test this, but try:
> 
> set the clipboardData to textEncode(the clipboardData,"native")
> 
> 
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> 
> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com 
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Re: Problem pasting from Livecode to Mac Mail

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

Does this work?

set the clipboarddata["text"] to "whatever text here"

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:20 AM, Richard Burkett via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the suggestion, Jacqueline, but it didn’t change anything.
> Anyone else have a script-based solution to make sure LiveCode pastes only
> plain text? ASCII, Native, MacRoman - none of those text encodings work.
> Even putting only this line in my script results in the same thing:
> set the clipboarddata to ( "blah" & lf & "blah" & lf & "blah" & cr &
> "blah" & cr & "blah" & return & "blah" )
>
> What’s different about text set in the clipboard in LiveCode from other
> text copied from other Mac apps?
>
> Richard Burkett
> richard.burk...@sbcglobal.net
>
> > On 1/9/18 12:09 PM, Richard Burkett via use-livecode wrote:
> >> Does anyone have a solution to this problem: I set the clipboard in
> LiveCode to the text of a field or variable that has returns after each
> line. When I paste that into Mac Mail, the text appears double-spaced as if
> it has two returns, but clearly there is just one (or a combination of CR
> and LF?). I?ve tried all the keys for setting the clipboard and also
> writing a script to delete line feeds, or CR characters, but nothing works.
> It?s either no returns, or what appears to be double-spaced returns.
> >>
> >> If I paste the text first into Text Edit, then copy it, and paste into
> Mac Mail it?s fine - single line spacing. What?s LiveCode adding to each
> line that causes Mac Mail to show the pasted text as double spaced? Is
> there a way to filter/remove that?
> >
> > I don't have a good way to test this, but try:
> >
> > set the clipboardData to textEncode(the clipboardData,"native")
> >
> >
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> > HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com <
> http://www.hyperactivesw.com/>
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Re: OT: system recommendation

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

This is really the wrong place.You can find out all you need on YouTube
videos.
However, due to my own experience, I would consider only a very recent
Macintosh system To work with 4K video. They provide the best bang for the
buck over any PC.  The video “card” is an Integral part of the computer and
system.
Also your friend really needs to figure out which editing program he’s
going to use FIRST and there are many... by the way, final cut Pro X for
the Mac is what I would suggest.   It’s the best deal at $300

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 02:02 Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Sorry for the off topic question, but this is my most trusted place for
> tech knowledge.  Appreciate any tips and advice (for a friend).
>
> My friend is looking to buy or build a pc to do 4k video editing.  I know
> the obvious part.. If you can afford more memory, add more memory.
>
> After that, I'm lost.  intel vs amd?  For video, amd or nvidia or something
> else?  Is there a synergy between choice of motherboard/cpu make/video
> choice?  As for hard drive setup, i'm thinking a 500g ssd boot device and a
> single 7200rpm 3tb or greater drive (drive space is CHEAP!)
>
> I also don't know how important drive throughput is for vid processing.  I
> know it matters, but how fast is fast enough?  Does it pay to set up a
> striped set of 3 or 5 drives?  Or a hybrid drive?
>
> Is it acceptable to do the processing on a non 4k monitor?
>
> Unfortunately, cost IS a factor.  I know it boils down to how much cash one
> wants to throw at it, but i'm looking for best bang for the buck, 1500 or
> less.  (things could be bumped up later by adding mem, better monitor to
> view output.
>
> Oh, also, this will not be online editing (Which I assume to mean "live")
> and will be video from a gopro so the bitrate won't be as intensive as say
> a RED quality camera.
>
> Thanks for any and all suggestions, and helping me provide better
> recommendations to my friend.
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Re: use-livecode Digest, Vol 172, Issue 22

[Brian Milby via use-livecode]

You may be able to simplify it to this:

*on* stripClipboard

*local* tData

*lock* the clipboard

*put* the rawClipboardData["public.utf8-plain-text"] into tData

*set* the rawClipboardData to empty

*set* the rawClipboardData["public.utf8-plain-text"] to tData

*unlock* the clipboard

*end* stripClipboard


Here is the same thing pasted after calling that handler:

on stripClipboard
   local tData
   lock the clipboard
   put the rawClipboardData["public.utf8-plain-text"] into tData
   set the rawClipboardData to empty
   set the rawClipboardData["public.utf8-plain-text"] to tData
   unlock the clipboard
end stripClipboard


I'm not sure how much will come through the list server, but the first
version had colors and looks double spaced (but it is actually paragraph
html tags causing the extra space).  The indents were missing.  The second
one is plain text without any extra space and indents were preserved.  I
selected the script from the LC SE and used cmd-C to copy.  I then used
cmd-V to paste it at the top.  I then went to LC and called the handler.
Next I used cmd-V to paste it the second time.  I'm using Gmail in Chrome
to draft the email.  The code is from LC 9 DP 11 running on Sierra.

I think that the problem is that the clipboard is getting filled with many
different versions of the same text.  Some applications are better about
selecting the best version to paste than others.  The original solution and
mine above essentially force the clipboard to only contain a single version
of the data in our chosen format.

Here's your function modified to use the same principle.  To test, I pasted
the code into the field (so it shows formatted with coloring).  I then
clicked the button and pasted into this email.  I only tested on Mac though.

on mouseUp
   local tClip, tRawType

   if the platform is "MacOS" then
  put "public.utf8-plain-text" into tRawType   -- OSX
   else if the platform is "Linux" then
  put "text/plain;charset=utf-8" into tRawType -- Linux
   else if the platform contains "Win" then
  put "CF_UNICODE" into tRawType -- Windows
   end if

   put fld "myField" into tClip
   lock the clipBoard
   set the ClipboardData to tClip
   put the rawClipboardData[tRawType] into tClip
   set the rawClipboardData to empty
   set the rawClipboardData[tRawType] to tClip
   unlock the clipBoard
end mouseUp

Cheers,
Brian
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Re: updating text of a mobile app (newbie)

[Nicolas Cueto via use-livecode]

Noob again.

This works on the dektop but not on an Android device:

on mouseUp
   put url "http://mysite.com/dir/file.txt; into tTextToDecode
   put textDecode(tTextToDecode,"UTF-8") into field "the text"
end mouseUp

I looked in LC dictionary "put" but only thing was "Note: The Android and
iOS engines do not support 'libUrl' but do allow you to use put in the
background. "



On 9 January 2018 at 12:01, Nicolas Cueto  wrote:

> A goal this year is to get an app (for foreign language learning) on the
> Android and iOS stores. To this end, I have begun to re-study LC8's app
> building course; LC itself I've been using for decades.
>
> Let's say my original app gets approved. In that app is a datagrid object
> list consisting of 10 vocabulary categories, the contents of  which are
> read in from a text file in specialFolderPath("documents"). A few months
> later, however, I discover more vocabulary categories are needed.
>
> What do I do? Can I somehow "download" a new text file into
> specialFolderPath("documents")? Do I have to completely update my app? Or
> something else?
>
> In the past what I've done for my desktop Windows standalones is to
> download data from my webserver over the internet. But, I imagine mobile
> apps must work differently.
>
> Hand holding very much welcome!
>
> --
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>
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Re: Do widgets support introspection?

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 01/10/2018 12:57 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

Why would 'commercial locked widgets' not have a manifest? (Or some 
other means to describe their public interface...)


Dunno. It's a mystery to me. I'm just working off Ali's comments in the 
PR. Can you guarantee then that widgets must always be distributed with 
a manifest.xml file? Or equivalent?


https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/commit/397deb26d7c0f93d4461bb36e292f8bafd5b0a5c

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=67=30264

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Re: Do widgets support introspection?

[Mark Waddingham via use-livecode]

On 2018-01-10 18:34, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

Dunno. It's a mystery to me. I'm just working off Ali's comments in
the PR. Can you guarantee then that widgets must always be distributed
with a manifest.xml file? Or equivalent?

https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/commit/397deb26d7c0f93d4461bb36e292f8bafd5b0a5c

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=67=30264


I can't guarantee there will be a separate file in the future 
necessarily, nor something human-readable (the manifest.xml is actually 
generated mechanically from the data in the compiled module file and 
combined with the metadata statements in the source file).


However, as has been highlighted here, we do need to add a nice, simple, 
stable API which returns an array describing a control's public API to 
the IDE library. There is an API which does it in a form suitable for 
the property inspector, but that's not quite as succinct.


So I can guarantee we will add a function 'ideDescribeControl' or some 
such which would return an array listing the controls properties with 
full type information and associated metadata so plugins don't have to 
rely on fettling with internal details.


Warmest Regards,

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Re: Do widgets support introspection?

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 01/10/2018 09:56 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

Are you sure you didn't confuse 'source file' with 'manifest' - its 
dealing with no source file in extensions that commit sorts out (also 
why protected extensions need their docs extracted at build time - 
there's no source file in them for the IDE to poke). 


Yes. I'm looking at the __fetchScriptLibraryData function, which 
attempts to retrieve information from the api.lcdoc file if there's no 
manifest.xml file present. The .lcdoc files for widgets are quite 
different from those for the dictionary (and with good reason), and much 
useful information in the xml file is not present in the lcdoc file. I'm 
guessing that much needs to change for this to work as described.


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Re: Externally reffed-off

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

We can count on you, Richmond to ask the questions that the rest of us are
afraid to ask

 thanks for being here,  grumpy or not

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On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 10:50 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Presumably the itemDelimiter should be "/" ?
>
> Richmond.
>
>
> On 10/1/2018 2:47 pm, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> you still need to set the itemdelimiter for it to work Richmond, otherwise
>> its not able to count items.
>>
>> Also, I thought part of the issue was that you were referencing a folder
>> that is NOT in the application bundle using the copy files pane of the
>> standalone settings.  This is why using specialfolderpath("resources")
>> doesn't work.
>>
>> Since you said you placed the app bundle next to the folder in question,
>> setting the itemdelimiter to "/" and then grabbing items 1 to -5 should
>> solve the problem.  (You had set the itemdel in your original example
>> which
>> is why I didn't bother to include it (or the rest of the handler.)
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 5:25 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Richmond,
>>>
>>> Am 10.01.2018 um 13:23 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <

>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
>>>
 And, IF, I were to try to port the thing to Android or iPad/iPhone would
 specialfolderpath "do it" over there as well?

>>> yes, as stated in the dictionary!
>>>
>>> Richmond.

>>> Best
>>>
>>> Klaus
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Re: Do widgets support introspection?

[Mark Waddingham via use-livecode]

On 2018-01-10 18:49, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 12:44 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


There is an API which does it in a form suitable for the property
inspector, but that's not quite as succinct.



​Is this script-accessible, or just engine-accessible?​


Script accessible - its part of the IDE library.

I chatted to Ali about this first thing this morning...

`revIDEPropertiesInfo pObjectList` returns an array of obj property info 
that is shared between the objects in the list. Although that's in a 
processed form required by the property inspector.


The info will be that required by the property inspector - which is 
probably suitable for Navigator (which I'm assuming is what you are 
looking to update :)).


Adding a non-property-inspector-specific describe API is on the list of 
things to do :)


Warmest Regards,

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Re: Do widgets support introspection?

[Mark Waddingham via use-livecode]

On 2018-01-10 18:34, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

On 01/10/2018 12:57 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

Why would 'commercial locked widgets' not have a manifest? (Or some 
other means to describe their public interface...)


Dunno. It's a mystery to me. I'm just working off Ali's comments in
the PR.


Are you sure you didn't confuse 'source file' with 'manifest' - its 
dealing with no source file in extensions that commit sorts out (also 
why protected extensions need their docs extracted at build time - 
there's no source file in them for the IDE to poke).


Warmest Regards,

Mark.

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Re: Do widgets support introspection?

[Geoff Canyon via use-livecode]

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


> The info will be that required by the property inspector - which is
> probably suitable for Navigator (which I'm assuming is what you are looking
> to update :)).
>

​Get out of my head! ;-)​
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Re: Do widgets support introspection?

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 01/10/2018 09:44 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

I can't guarantee there will be a separate file in the future 
necessarily, nor something human-readable (the manifest.xml is actually 
generated mechanically from the data in the compiled module file and 
combined with the metadata statements in the source file).


However, as has been highlighted here, we do need to add a nice, simple, 
stable API which returns an array describing a control's public API to 
the IDE library. There is an API which does it in a form suitable for 
the property inspector, but that's not quite as succinct.


So I can guarantee we will add a function 'ideDescribeControl' or some 
such which would return an array listing the controls properties with 
full type information and associated metadata so plugins don't have to 
rely on fettling with internal details.


I'm currently relying on the manifest.xml file in order to retrieve 
information about widgets that seems unavailable elsewhere (distinction 
between widget and library, svgicon data, etc). I'm trying to stay ahead 
of the game by future-proofing my code, and it's a bit frustrating 
trying to guess at things from PR comments. The existing 
revDocsParseDocFileToLibraryArray function in revDocsParser doesn't 
return much useful information about widgets (no metadata, etc).


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Re: Externally reffed-off

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Presumably the itemDelimiter should be "/" ?

Richmond.

On 10/1/2018 2:47 pm, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:

you still need to set the itemdelimiter for it to work Richmond, otherwise
its not able to count items.

Also, I thought part of the issue was that you were referencing a folder
that is NOT in the application bundle using the copy files pane of the
standalone settings.  This is why using specialfolderpath("resources")
doesn't work.

Since you said you placed the app bundle next to the folder in question,
setting the itemdelimiter to "/" and then grabbing items 1 to -5 should
solve the problem.  (You had set the itemdel in your original example which
is why I didn't bother to include it (or the rest of the handler.)

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 5:25 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Hi Richmond,


Am 10.01.2018 um 13:23 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:

And, IF, I were to try to port the thing to Android or iPad/iPhone would
specialfolderpath "do it" over there as well?

yes, as stated in the dictionary!


Richmond.

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Re: Do widgets support introspection?

[Geoff Canyon via use-livecode]

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 12:44 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> There is an API which does it in a form suitable for the property
> inspector, but that's not quite as succinct.
>

​Is this script-accessible, or just engine-accessible?​
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Creating .ipa now that iTunes has depreciated apps.

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

Well I finally updated iTunes and lost the ability to create an .ipa. I made
a right click context item in finder to get one click .ipa creation back.

If anyone want this:

1) Open up the Automater
2) Create new
3) Select "Run Shell Script" from left pane
4) Change "Pass input:" to "as arguments"
5) Paste in this script

current_path=$(dirname "$1")
cd "$current_path"

for f in "$@"
do
mkdir Payload
cp -r "$f" Payload/
base=$(basename $f)
base2="${base%.*}"
zip -r "$base2".zip Payload/
mv "$base2".zip "$base2".ipa
rm -R Payload/
done


6) Save and name it "Create ipa"


That's it.

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Re: Do widgets support introspection?

[Brian Milby via use-livecode]

My guess is that will be for livecodescript libraries since they do not end
up with a manifest file.
On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 12:09 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 01/10/2018 09:56 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:
>
> > Are you sure you didn't confuse 'source file' with 'manifest' - its
> > dealing with no source file in extensions that commit sorts out (also
> > why protected extensions need their docs extracted at build time -
> > there's no source file in them for the IDE to poke).
>
> Yes. I'm looking at the __fetchScriptLibraryData function, which
> attempts to retrieve information from the api.lcdoc file if there's no
> manifest.xml file present. The .lcdoc files for widgets are quite
> different from those for the dictionary (and with good reason), and much
> useful information in the xml file is not present in the lcdoc file. I'm
> guessing that much needs to change for this to work as described.
>
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Re: Do widgets support introspection?

[Geoff Canyon via use-livecode]

I have to admit, having parsed the results of revIDEPropertiesInfo and
looked at   , it took me more than a few tries at:

set the timeZone of widget "clock" to 1
set the timeZone of widget "clock" to 5
set the timeZone of widget "clock" to 9

...etc. before I noticed that the second hand was glitching slightly and
tried

set the timeZone of widget "clock" to 3600

In the words of Gru, "Light bulb."

That said, there doesn't seem to be any info in either place that would
have led me in this direction, or more importantly, to specify acceptable
vs. unacceptable values for something like this. TBD?
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Browser widget and revbrowserback/revbrowserforward

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Hi friends,

a user in the forum asked this questio and I would also like to know :-)

With "revbrowser" we had a simple command to browser the browser
history: revBrowserBack and RevBrowserForward
Is there a similar feature in the Browser Widget?

Thanks for any hint!


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Re: Problem pasting from Livecode to Mac Mail

[Paul Hibbert via use-livecode]

This works for me with LC9.0.0(dp11) on MacOS High Sierra 10.13.2:

   lock the clipBoard
   put the clipboardData["text"] into tClip
   set the clipBoardData to empty
-- OSX
   set the rawClipboardData["public.utf8-plain-text"] \
 to textEncode(tClip, "UTF-8" )
   unlock the clipBoard
   -- Now Go Paste in Apple Mail

For an in-depth explanation check the “rawClipboardData" in the dictionary.

Hope this helps.

Paul


> On Jan 10, 2018, at 7:20 AM, Richard Burkett via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the suggestion, Jacqueline, but it didn’t change anything. Anyone 
> else have a script-based solution to make sure LiveCode pastes only plain 
> text? ASCII, Native, MacRoman - none of those text encodings work. 
> Even putting only this line in my script results in the same thing:
> set the clipboarddata to ( "blah" & lf & "blah" & lf & "blah" & cr & "blah" & 
> cr & "blah" & return & "blah" )
> 
> What’s different about text set in the clipboard in LiveCode from other text 
> copied from other Mac apps?
> 
> Richard Burkett
> richard.burk...@sbcglobal.net
> 
>> On 1/9/18 12:09 PM, Richard Burkett via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Does anyone have a solution to this problem: I set the clipboard in 
>>> LiveCode to the text of a field or variable that has returns after each 
>>> line. When I paste that into Mac Mail, the text appears double-spaced as if 
>>> it has two returns, but clearly there is just one (or a combination of CR 
>>> and LF?). I?ve tried all the keys for setting the clipboard and also 
>>> writing a script to delete line feeds, or CR characters, but nothing works. 
>>> It?s either no returns, or what appears to be double-spaced returns.
>>> 
>>> If I paste the text first into Text Edit, then copy it, and paste into Mac 
>>> Mail it?s fine - single line spacing. What?s LiveCode adding to each line 
>>> that causes Mac Mail to show the pasted text as double spaced? Is there a 
>>> way to filter/remove that?
>> 
>> I don't have a good way to test this, but try:
>> 
>> set the clipboardData to textEncode(the clipboardData,"native")
>> 
>> 
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Re: OT: system recommendation

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

Thanks Bob.  Yeah I've already been stressing the need for a backup
strategy. Possibly a combination of a freenas with zfs1 (3 drives, I
already have most of the parts to make it work) and nextcloud as part of
the strategy. (plus offline)  Love freenas.  (now i'm wondering if the
network would be quick enough to work off a share)  So much to learn.

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 9:44 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> If not data is being stored on the raid, and is only being used for post
> processing, then the more drives you add to a stripe, the faster it can be,
> with the limitation of the external interface. I hear Thunderbolt
> interfaces scream but are pricey.
>
> Also, you will need to have some kind of backup for current projects. Last
> thing you want is to lose the stripe the day before final rendering. Ask me
> how I know. Barring that, a RAID 5 may be a better choice, but it's not as
> fast.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jan 10, 2018, at 02:01 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I also don't know how important drive throughput is for vid processing.
> I
> > know it matters, but how fast is fast enough?  Does it pay to set up a
> > striped set of 3 or 5 drives?  Or a hybrid drive?
>
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Re: Object layers

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Hello Christer.

This list is a community. It is friendly, helpful, and there is a certain 
amount of chat. When that chat becomes excessive, I do ask members to curtail 
it, however nothing in this thread in any way contravenes the spirit of this 
list. You were offered some helpful advice. Another list member asked for 
assistance in reading the emails and received it. I continue to be amazed and 
thankful for the warm spirit of helpfulness and friendliness in this community, 
freely given.

This list runs on mailman. Its pretty old software, but many people here prefer 
it to moving to the forums and reading mail there. As long as mailman continues 
to function, I imagine the list will continue to be here. It has limitations. 
Threading doesn't always work well (depending on email client). We are not 
responsible for third party archives such as nabble or how they behave. Replies 
to your email may become attached to different threads if the subject is 
changed or the responder uses a different client/mail sorting method. I'm not 
sure if you were expecting direct replies to your personal mail? This isn't 
typically how it works, if you post to the list responses will go to the list, 
and be available to help other users at a later date.

As always, politics, religion and cheese remain off limits. Please avoid 
quoting the entire thread when replying to a topic, just retain enough to make 
sense. Friendly advice on relevant topics is always welcome - and a little bit 
of chit chat oils the wheels and makes it all more human.

Best Regards to all,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



> On 10 Jan 2018, at 08:59, Pyyhtiä Christer via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just to respond.
> 
> Thank you for the advices - very helpful.  However, experiences with the 
> early versions (say V5-V7) made me avoid the grouping functionality.  Maybe 
> because I could not manage the concept too well.  So I have given it up and 
> manage it (as do with scaling etc) with additional coding - with variable 
> success, though.
> 
> There were two surprises in this discussion thread.  First, I did not get any 
> response form the list on answers to my mail.  It would be helpful to get the 
> response as an e-mai to the originator to speed up receiving the information. 
>  How would it become possible?
> 
> Second, there is a lot of really *unnecessary* blaah-blaah yadda-yadda mails 
> nothing to do with the subject as a part of the thread (and many other 
> threads as well; if you want to make it efficient, also please leave the 
> pages-long, repeatedly appearing "when someone created the world" kind of 
> poems).  If you do not have anything meaningful to add into the use of 
> LiveCode, please, please get off the list, go to your Facebook.  I'd ask the 
> LiveCode folks to put some discipline into this.
> 
> thx
> Christer Pyyhtiä
> MindCrea Ltd
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> 
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OT: system recommendation

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

Sorry for the off topic question, but this is my most trusted place for
tech knowledge.  Appreciate any tips and advice (for a friend).

My friend is looking to buy or build a pc to do 4k video editing.  I know
the obvious part.. If you can afford more memory, add more memory.

After that, I'm lost.  intel vs amd?  For video, amd or nvidia or something
else?  Is there a synergy between choice of motherboard/cpu make/video
choice?  As for hard drive setup, i'm thinking a 500g ssd boot device and a
single 7200rpm 3tb or greater drive (drive space is CHEAP!)

I also don't know how important drive throughput is for vid processing.  I
know it matters, but how fast is fast enough?  Does it pay to set up a
striped set of 3 or 5 drives?  Or a hybrid drive?

Is it acceptable to do the processing on a non 4k monitor?

Unfortunately, cost IS a factor.  I know it boils down to how much cash one
wants to throw at it, but i'm looking for best bang for the buck, 1500 or
less.  (things could be bumped up later by adding mem, better monitor to
view output.

Oh, also, this will not be online editing (Which I assume to mean "live")
and will be video from a gopro so the bitrate won't be as intensive as say
a RED quality camera.

Thanks for any and all suggestions, and helping me provide better
recommendations to my friend.
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Re: Custom properties of IDE palettes?

[Mark Waddingham via use-livecode]

On 2018-01-10 02:20, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:

But they do. Specifically, stack "revPropertyInspector 1" is not a
script-only stack. It has many objects, and it does have custom 
properties.

For example, this locks the inspector to its current object:

set the cLocked of stack "revPropertyInspector 1" to true


The 'cLocked' is a getProp/setProp (virtual) custom property, which is 
why it doesn't appear in the customKeys.


Warmest Regards,

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Re: Do widgets support introspection?

[Mark Waddingham via use-livecode]

On 2018-01-10 08:52, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

On 01/09/2018 09:45 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:

Do the built-in widgets come with manifests?


Yes. Even the built-in widgets. At least for now, until we get
commercial locked widgets.


Why would 'commercial locked widgets' not have a manifest? (Or some 
other means to describe their public interface...)


Warmest Regards,

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Re: Externally reffed-off

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

Change it to..
set the defaultfolder to item 1 to -5 of the effective filename of this
stack

and it should work. I don't have an available mac to test though, so
tweakage might be necessary. (not likely though its pretty
straightforward)

You can put it in an if block if you want so that if the environment is
development you use the first method, else you use the second.

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 4:05 AM, Mike Bonner  wrote:

> Its because of this...
>
> *Cross-platform note:* On OS X systems, standalone applications are
> stored as application bundles. A bundle behaves like a file but is
> actually a folder, and the main stack of a standalone application is
> inside this folder. The filename of stack property reports the location
> of the application inside the bundle, not the bundle'slocation. For
> example, if the bundle's file path is "/Volumes/Disk/MyApp.app/", the
> filename of the application's main stack might be
> "/Volumes/Disk/MyApp.app/Contents/MacOS/MyApp".
>
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 3:54 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> I am currently working on something that calls a lot of external images
>> which are stored
>> in a folder called "rez" in the same location as my stack, and when my
>> stack opens it
>> works its way through the script:
>>
>> onpreOpenStack
>> setitemDelto"/"
>> setthedefaultFoldertoitem 1 to-2 of(theeffectivefileNameofthis stack)
>> gotocard "TITLE"
>> endpreOpenStack
>>
>> nothing particularly odd there.
>>
>> each image has "rez/imagename.png"
>>  set as its source.
>>
>> AND everything works in the stack.
>>
>> So would be extremely grateful why, when a Mac standalone is placed in
>> exactly
>> the same relation to the "rez" folder it does not "pick up" the images.
>>
>> Richmond.
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AW: How does 'Apple VPP Education' discount work?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode]

Hi William,

finally every app in the AppStore is enabled for VPP. You don't have to join
the VPP program, only the customer / school has to.

Your set up a sales price of your app in the appStore for everyone and you
can choose with that option you mentioned in the app settings, if a customer
with a VPP contract gets a 50% discount on that standard price or not.
That’s all

The only restriction on VPP is that no inApp purchases are allowed for the
VPP program. (only apps without inApp purchase)

Tiemo


-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag
von William de Smet via use-livecode
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Januar 2018 11:30
An: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: William de Smet 
Betreff: How does 'Apple VPP Education' discount work?

Hi there,

I was asked if i could add my apps to Apple's VPP education program.
I see I have two choices:
1. Available with a volume discount for educational institutions 2.
Available with no discount

On this page it says you can enable 50% discount:
https://developer.apple.com/programs/volume/education/

Can anyone explain to me how this discounts works?



greetings,

William
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Re: Externally reffed-off

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

Its because of this...

*Cross-platform note:* On OS X systems, standalone applications are stored
as application bundles. A bundle behaves like a file but is actually a
folder, and the main stack of a standalone application is inside this folder.
The filename of stack property reports the location of the application
inside the bundle, not the bundle'slocation. For example, if the bundle's file
path is "/Volumes/Disk/MyApp.app/", the filename of the application's main
stack might be "/Volumes/Disk/MyApp.app/Contents/MacOS/MyApp".

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 3:54 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I am currently working on something that calls a lot of external images
> which are stored
> in a folder called "rez" in the same location as my stack, and when my
> stack opens it
> works its way through the script:
>
> onpreOpenStack
> setitemDelto"/"
> setthedefaultFoldertoitem 1 to-2 of(theeffectivefileNameofthis stack)
> gotocard "TITLE"
> endpreOpenStack
>
> nothing particularly odd there.
>
> each image has "rez/imagename.png"
>  set as its source.
>
> AND everything works in the stack.
>
> So would be extremely grateful why, when a Mac standalone is placed in
> exactly
> the same relation to the "rez" folder it does not "pick up" the images.
>
> Richmond.
>
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RE: Error while saving standalone 8 & 9

[Paul Richards via use-livecode]

Thank you so much for the pointer Jacqueline, the good news is that I have 
traced the issue.

The error message isn't really that helpful as it does in fact relate to a 
Widget.  The original widget "object" was still attached to a card, so although 
every widget had been removed using the Extension Manager, it still left 
traces.  Having removed the object from the card, the App now saves as a 
standalone.  Phew!



-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
Sent: 09 January 2018 19:48
To: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: J. Landman Gay 
Subject: Re: Error while saving standalone 8 & 9

On 1/9/18 10:46 AM, Paul Richards via use-livecode wrote:
> There was an error while saving the standalone application
> 91,2026,23
> 77,2026,23
> 456,2026,23
> 572,2026,23
> 241,2026,1,__LoadStackOnStartup
> 353,0,0,stack "c:/program files (x86)/Runrev/Livecode Indy 9.0 
> (dp11)/Toolset/libraries/revsblibrary.livecodescript"
> 573,2210,1,__LoadStackOnStartup
> 253,2110,1
> 490,2110,1
> 241,2104,1 revSbUpdateDeployParams
> 353,0,0,stack "c:/program files (x86)/Runrev/Livecode Indy 9.0 
> (dp11)/Toolset/libraries/revsblibrary.livecodescript"
> 573,806,1,revSBUpdateDeployParams

The first line indicates a low-memory condition. The next few lines show at 
least one script error and a missing object. This is all in the standalone 
builder script, so a bug report is in order.

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Re: Externally reffed-off

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

> Am 10.01.2018 um 12:17 schrieb Mike Bonner via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Change it to..
> set the defaultfolder to item 1 to -5 of the effective filename of this
> stack
> 
> and it should work. I don't have an available mac to test though, so
> tweakage might be necessary. (not likely though its pretty
> straightforward)
> 
> You can put it in an if block if you want so that if the environment is
> development you use the first method, else you use the second.

Know your Livecode! :-)
...
set the defaultfolder to specialfolderpath("resources")
...

This should however not be neccessary since relative pathnames that work in 
the IDE should also work in a standalone and actually do!

> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 4:05 AM, Mike Bonner  wrote:
> 
>> Its because of this...
>> 
>> *Cross-platform note:* On OS X systems, standalone applications are
>> stored as application bundles. A bundle behaves like a file but is
>> actually a folder, and the main stack of a standalone application is
>> inside this folder. The filename of stack property reports the location
>> of the application inside the bundle, not the bundle'slocation. For
>> example, if the bundle's file path is "/Volumes/Disk/MyApp.app/", the
>> filename of the application's main stack might be
>> "/Volumes/Disk/MyApp.app/Contents/MacOS/MyApp".
>> 
>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 3:54 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I am currently working on something that calls a lot of external images
>>> which are stored
>>> in a folder called "rez" in the same location as my stack, and when my
>>> stack opens it
>>> works its way through the script:
>>> 
>>> onpreOpenStack
>>>setitemDelto"/"
>>>setthedefaultFoldertoitem 1 to-2 of(theeffectivefileNameofthis stack)
>>>gotocard "TITLE"
>>> endpreOpenStack

Best

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Re: Externally reffed-off

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

My "problem" Klaus is that I don't know YOUR LiveCode,
but I do know MY LiveCode.

I have a theory that once one has been working inwith a system for many 
years

one's methods and mindset become fixed in a way that may not be very useful.

Best, Richmond.

On 10/1/2018 1:32 pm, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:



Am 10.01.2018 um 12:17 schrieb Mike Bonner via use-livecode 
:

Change it to..
set the defaultfolder to item 1 to -5 of the effective filename of this
stack

and it should work. I don't have an available mac to test though, so
tweakage might be necessary. (not likely though its pretty
straightforward)

You can put it in an if block if you want so that if the environment is
development you use the first method, else you use the second.

Know your Livecode! :-)
...
set the defaultfolder to specialfolderpath("resources")
...

This should however not be neccessary since relative pathnames that work in
the IDE should also work in a standalone and actually do!


On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 4:05 AM, Mike Bonner  wrote:


Its because of this...

*Cross-platform note:* On OS X systems, standalone applications are
stored as application bundles. A bundle behaves like a file but is
actually a folder, and the main stack of a standalone application is
inside this folder. The filename of stack property reports the location
of the application inside the bundle, not the bundle'slocation. For
example, if the bundle's file path is "/Volumes/Disk/MyApp.app/", the
filename of the application's main stack might be
"/Volumes/Disk/MyApp.app/Contents/MacOS/MyApp".

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 3:54 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


I am currently working on something that calls a lot of external images
which are stored
in a folder called "rez" in the same location as my stack, and when my
stack opens it
works its way through the script:

onpreOpenStack
setitemDelto"/"
setthedefaultFoldertoitem 1 to-2 of(theeffectivefileNameofthis stack)
gotocard "TITLE"
endpreOpenStack

Best

Klaus

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Re: Externally reffed-off

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

That did not work, unfortunately.

Richmond.

On 10/1/2018 1:17 pm, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:

Change it to..
set the defaultfolder to item 1 to -5 of the effective filename of this
stack

and it should work. I don't have an available mac to test though, so
tweakage might be necessary. (not likely though its pretty
straightforward)

You can put it in an if block if you want so that if the environment is
development you use the first method, else you use the second.

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 4:05 AM, Mike Bonner  wrote:


Its because of this...

*Cross-platform note:* On OS X systems, standalone applications are
stored as application bundles. A bundle behaves like a file but is
actually a folder, and the main stack of a standalone application is
inside this folder. The filename of stack property reports the location
of the application inside the bundle, not the bundle'slocation. For
example, if the bundle's file path is "/Volumes/Disk/MyApp.app/", the
filename of the application's main stack might be
"/Volumes/Disk/MyApp.app/Contents/MacOS/MyApp".

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 3:54 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


I am currently working on something that calls a lot of external images
which are stored
in a folder called "rez" in the same location as my stack, and when my
stack opens it
works its way through the script:

onpreOpenStack
 setitemDelto"/"
 setthedefaultFoldertoitem 1 to-2 of(theeffectivefileNameofthis stack)
 gotocard "TITLE"
endpreOpenStack

nothing particularly odd there.

each image has "rez/imagename.png"
  set as its source.

AND everything works in the stack.

So would be extremely grateful why, when a Mac standalone is placed in
exactly
the same relation to the "rez" folder it does not "pick up" the images.

Richmond.

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Re: Externally reffed-off

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Hi Richmond,

> Am 10.01.2018 um 12:57 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> My "problem" Klaus is that I don't know YOUR LiveCode,

that's why I wrote "Know YOUR Livecode" and not "Know MY Livecode", Sir! :-)

> but I do know MY LiveCode.
> 
> I have a theory that once one has been working inwith a system for many years
> one's methods and mindset become fixed in a way that may not be very useful.

But you know specialfolderpath("resources") and the fact that everything you 
add to 
your standalone(s) via the "Copy files..." tab in the standalone builder 
settings can be
found in that sepcialfolderpath in the standalone?

> Best, Richmond.
> 
> On 10/1/2018 1:32 pm, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>> 
>>> Am 10.01.2018 um 12:17 schrieb Mike Bonner via use-livecode 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Change it to..
>>> set the defaultfolder to item 1 to -5 of the effective filename of this
>>> stack
>>> 
>>> and it should work. I don't have an available mac to test though, so
>>> tweakage might be necessary. (not likely though its pretty
>>> straightforward)
>>> 
>>> You can put it in an if block if you want so that if the environment is
>>> development you use the first method, else you use the second.
>> Know your Livecode! :-)
>> ...
>> set the defaultfolder to specialfolderpath("resources")
>> ...
>> 
>> This should however not be neccessary since relative pathnames that work in
>> the IDE should also work in a standalone and actually do!

Best

Klaus

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Re: Externally reffed-off

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

I thought I'd "play a game", so I set up a new stack with 2 buttons:

[Mac OS]

Button 1 contained this script:

onmouseUp
setthedefaultfoldertospecialfolderpath("resources"
endmouseUp

and Button 2 contained this script:

onmouseUp
  putthedefaultFolder
endmouseUp

I clicked on Button 1 and then on Button 2

and got this in the Message Box:

/Users/richmondmathewson/LiveCode/LiveCode Indy 
8.1.8.app/Contents/Tools/Toolset


So, feeling "really daring" I made a third button, "Button 3" (surely not?)
containing this script:

onmouseUp
setthedefaultfoldertoitem 1 to-5 oftheeffectivefilenameofthis stack
endmouseUp

then clicked Button 3 followed by Button 2, and got this in the Message Box:

/Users/richmondmathewson/LiveCode/LiveCode Indy 
8.1.8.app/Contents/Tools/Toolset


so, obviously " setthedefaultfoldertoitem 1 to-5 
oftheeffectivefilenameofthis stack"


is useless.

Richmond.


On 10/1/2018 1:32 pm, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:

set the defaultfolder to specialfolderpath("resources")


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How does 'Apple VPP Education' discount work?

[William de Smet via use-livecode]

Hi there,

I was asked if i could add my apps to Apple's VPP education program.
I see I have two choices:
1. Available with a volume discount for educational institutions
2. Available with no discount

On this page it says you can enable 50% discount:
https://developer.apple.com/programs/volume/education/

Can anyone explain to me how this discounts works?



greetings,

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Re: Externally reffed-off

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Thank you very much, that's a great help.

Richmond.

On 10/1/2018 1:17 pm, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:

Change it to..
set the defaultfolder to item 1 to -5 of the effective filename of this
stack

and it should work. I don't have an available mac to test though, so
tweakage might be necessary. (not likely though its pretty
straightforward)

You can put it in an if block if you want so that if the environment is
development you use the first method, else you use the second.

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 4:05 AM, Mike Bonner  wrote:


Its because of this...

*Cross-platform note:* On OS X systems, standalone applications are
stored as application bundles. A bundle behaves like a file but is
actually a folder, and the main stack of a standalone application is
inside this folder. The filename of stack property reports the location
of the application inside the bundle, not the bundle'slocation. For
example, if the bundle's file path is "/Volumes/Disk/MyApp.app/", the
filename of the application's main stack might be
"/Volumes/Disk/MyApp.app/Contents/MacOS/MyApp".

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 3:54 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


I am currently working on something that calls a lot of external images
which are stored
in a folder called "rez" in the same location as my stack, and when my
stack opens it
works its way through the script:

onpreOpenStack
 setitemDelto"/"
 setthedefaultFoldertoitem 1 to-2 of(theeffectivefileNameofthis stack)
 gotocard "TITLE"
endpreOpenStack

nothing particularly odd there.

each image has "rez/imagename.png"
  set as its source.

AND everything works in the stack.

So would be extremely grateful why, when a Mac standalone is placed in
exactly
the same relation to the "rez" folder it does not "pick up" the images.

Richmond.

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Re: How does 'Apple VPP Education' discount work?

[William de Smet via use-livecode]

Thanks Tiemo,

i thought I could/had to change the discount rating myself.

greetings,

William



2018-01-10 12:54 GMT+01:00 Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:

> Hi William,
>
> finally every app in the AppStore is enabled for VPP. You don't have to
> join
> the VPP program, only the customer / school has to.
>
> Your set up a sales price of your app in the appStore for everyone and you
> can choose with that option you mentioned in the app settings, if a
> customer
> with a VPP contract gets a 50% discount on that standard price or not.
> That’s all
>
> The only restriction on VPP is that no inApp purchases are allowed for the
> VPP program. (only apps without inApp purchase)
>
> Tiemo
>
>
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im
> Auftrag
> von William de Smet via use-livecode
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Januar 2018 11:30
> An: How to use LiveCode 
> Cc: William de Smet 
> Betreff: How does 'Apple VPP Education' discount work?
>
> Hi there,
>
> I was asked if i could add my apps to Apple's VPP education program.
> I see I have two choices:
> 1. Available with a volume discount for educational institutions 2.
> Available with no discount
>
> On this page it says you can enable 50% discount:
> https://developer.apple.com/programs/volume/education/
>
> Can anyone explain to me how this discounts works?
>
>
>
> greetings,
>
> William
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Re: Custom properties of IDE palettes?

[Geoff Canyon via use-livecode]

AHA! (thanks)

gc

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 3:56 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
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>
>
> The 'cLocked' is a getProp/setProp (virtual) custom property, which is why
> it doesn't appear in the customKeys.
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
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Re: where are Livecode crash logs stored?

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Hi Matthias,

> Am 10.01.2018 um 20:06 schrieb Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> i need to send a Livecode crash log to a developer of a database driver.
> Where do i find that log on Mac OS X?
> Calling  revdatafromquery functions freezes Livecode immediately and i am not 
> able to get it back. I need to force quit it in the Finder.
> 
> I thought i could find them in ~/Library/Application 
> Support/Runrev/CrashLogs, but that folder is empty.
> Is there another place or is no log written because Livecode freezes 
> completely.

also check: 
~/Library/Logs/RunRev
and
~/Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports

> Regards,
> 
> Matthias 

Best

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Re: Externally reffed-off

[Brian Milby via use-livecode]

That is for the shell function.
On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 2:15 PM Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Although "/" was mentioned in the post to which I replied I have come
> across
> places (not sure where: Windows?) where the itemDelimiter for pathways is
> a backslash "\" . . .
>
> Richmond.
>
> On 10/1/2018 9:02 pm, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode wrote:
> > We can count on you, Richmond to ask the questions that the rest of us
> are
> > afraid to ask
> >
> >   thanks for being here,  grumpy or not
> >
> > --
> > Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
> > mixstream.org
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 10:50 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Presumably the itemDelimiter should be "/" ?
> >>
> >> Richmond.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/1/2018 2:47 pm, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
> >>
> >>> you still need to set the itemdelimiter for it to work Richmond,
> otherwise
> >>> its not able to count items.
> >>>
> >>> Also, I thought part of the issue was that you were referencing a
> folder
> >>> that is NOT in the application bundle using the copy files pane of the
> >>> standalone settings.  This is why using specialfolderpath("resources")
> >>> doesn't work.
> >>>
> >>> Since you said you placed the app bundle next to the folder in
> question,
> >>> setting the itemdelimiter to "/" and then grabbing items 1 to -5 should
> >>> solve the problem.  (You had set the itemdel in your original example
> >>> which
> >>> is why I didn't bother to include it (or the rest of the handler.)
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 5:25 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Richmond,
>  Am 10.01.2018 um 13:23 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
>  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> > And, IF, I were to try to port the thing to Android or iPad/iPhone
> would
> > specialfolderpath "do it" over there as well?
> >
>  yes, as stated in the dictionary!
> 
>  Richmond.
>  Best
> 
>  Klaus
>  --
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>  http://www.major-k.de
>  kl...@major-k.de
> 
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Re: Do widgets support introspection?

[Ali Lloyd via use-livecode]

Brian is correct, this is a temporary use of the lcdoc stuff for script
libraries to contain info that would be contained in its manifest.

Rather than worrying about what information comes from where, it would
probably be best to use the revIDEExtensions function which returns all the
'metadata' associated with extensions (both lcb and lcs). Although
admittedly that doesn't yet contain information about public handlers in
script library extensions.

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> My guess is that will be for livecodescript libraries since they do not end
> up with a manifest file.
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 12:09 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
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>
> > On 01/10/2018 09:56 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:
> >
> > > Are you sure you didn't confuse 'source file' with 'manifest' - its
> > > dealing with no source file in extensions that commit sorts out (also
> > > why protected extensions need their docs extracted at build time -
> > > there's no source file in them for the IDE to poke).
> >
> > Yes. I'm looking at the __fetchScriptLibraryData function, which
> > attempts to retrieve information from the api.lcdoc file if there's no
> > manifest.xml file present. The .lcdoc files for widgets are quite
> > different from those for the dictionary (and with good reason), and much
> > useful information in the xml file is not present in the lcdoc file. I'm
> > guessing that much needs to change for this to work as described.
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where are Livecode crash logs stored?

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

Hi,

i need to send a Livecode crash log to a developer of a database driver.
Where do i find that log on Mac OS X?
Calling  revdatafromquery functions freezes Livecode immediately and i am not 
able to get it back. I need to force quit it in the Finder.

I thought i could find them in ~/Library/Application Support/Runrev/CrashLogs, 
but that folder is empty.
Is there another place or is no log written because Livecode freezes completely.

Regards,

Matthias 




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Re: where are Livecode crash logs stored?

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

Thanks Klaus,

~/Library/Logs/RunRev lists only thefile LivecodeToolsLog.txt

and  ~/Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports is empty.

Matthias
> Am 10.01.2018 um 20:13 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
> >:
> 
> Hi Matthias,
> 
>> Am 10.01.2018 um 20:06 schrieb Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
>> >:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> i need to send a Livecode crash log to a developer of a database driver.
>> Where do i find that log on Mac OS X?
>> Calling  revdatafromquery functions freezes Livecode immediately and i am 
>> not able to get it back. I need to force quit it in the Finder.
>> 
>> I thought i could find them in ~/Library/Application 
>> Support/Runrev/CrashLogs, but that folder is empty.
>> Is there another place or is no log written because Livecode freezes 
>> completely.
> 
> also check: 
> ~/Library/Logs/RunRev
> and
> ~/Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports
> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Matthias 
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
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Re: where are Livecode crash logs stored?

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Hi Matthias,

> Am 10.01.2018 um 20:27 schrieb Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Thanks Klaus,
> ~/Library/Logs/RunRev lists only the  file LivecodeToolsLog.txt
> and  ~/Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports is empty.

hmm, I have some crash logs in my "DiagnosticReports" folder, so this was my 
first idea.

Please open "Konsole" (im Ordner Dienstprogramme) and see if it lists any LC 
crash log somewhere.
If yes, right-click on the entry  if possible and select "Show in Finder".

> Matthias

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Re: OT: Why I Probably Will Never, Ever Learn HTML%

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Well, that page is like most computer manual pages: written in pompous,
over-jargonised language.

I am 100% sure that what that page actually covers up is fairly straight 
forward.


I just had a look at Danny Goodman's "The Complete HyperCard 2.2" and 
realised
that its 1144 pages could be "boiled down" to about 200: one of the many 
reasons

why I have never managed to read more than a page at a go.

My wife and I have been reading through Plato's Republic recently: now 
there's
a book that is easy to read, contains a lot of sense, and is still valid 
about 2,500

years after it was written.

People who write programming guides should attend writing seminars first 
and
be required to read texts that say what they have to say in a clear way 
that does

not obfuscate everything with fancy words and obscure phrases.

Richmond.

On 10/1/2018 10:02 pm, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:

Maybe it is just age… or whatever.

But every time I get the idea of "maybe I might see if I will do something in 
HTML5"

I go to a page like this, I start to get a headache and walk away.

https://reactjs.org/docs/integrating-with-other-libraries.html

BR
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Re: Externally reffed-off

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

Yeah "/"  exactly like you had it in your posted code. I swear, not
useless. 
On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 11:50 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
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> Presumably the itemDelimiter should be "/" ?


>
> Richmond.
>
>
>
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OT: Why I Probably Will Never, Ever Learn HTML%

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

Maybe it is just age… or whatever.

But every time I get the idea of "maybe I might see if I will do something in 
HTML5"

I go to a page like this, I start to get a headache and walk away.

https://reactjs.org/docs/integrating-with-other-libraries.html

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Re: Externally reffed-off

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

On 10/1/2018 10:21 pm, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Richmond,


Am 10.01.2018 um 21:14 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
:

Although "/" was mentioned in the post to which I replied I have come across
places (not sure where: Windows?) where the itemDelimiter for pathways is
a backslash "\" . . .

internally LC uses the SLASH as a pathdelimiter always and on ANY platform!


That's a great comfort ;-)

Best, Richmond.



Richmond.

On 10/1/2018 9:02 pm, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode wrote:

We can count on you, Richmond to ask the questions that the rest of us are
afraid to ask

  thanks for being here,  grumpy or not

--
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On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 10:50 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Presumably the itemDelimiter should be "/" ?

Best

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Re: Externally reffed-off

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Although "/" was mentioned in the post to which I replied I have come across
places (not sure where: Windows?) where the itemDelimiter for pathways is
a backslash "\" . . .

Richmond.

On 10/1/2018 9:02 pm, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode wrote:

We can count on you, Richmond to ask the questions that the rest of us are
afraid to ask

  thanks for being here,  grumpy or not

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mixstream.org

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 10:50 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Presumably the itemDelimiter should be "/" ?

Richmond.


On 10/1/2018 2:47 pm, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:


you still need to set the itemdelimiter for it to work Richmond, otherwise
its not able to count items.

Also, I thought part of the issue was that you were referencing a folder
that is NOT in the application bundle using the copy files pane of the
standalone settings.  This is why using specialfolderpath("resources")
doesn't work.

Since you said you placed the app bundle next to the folder in question,
setting the itemdelimiter to "/" and then grabbing items 1 to -5 should
solve the problem.  (You had set the itemdel in your original example
which
is why I didn't bother to include it (or the rest of the handler.)

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 5:25 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
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Hi Richmond,

Am 10.01.2018 um 13:23 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:


And, IF, I were to try to port the thing to Android or iPad/iPhone would
specialfolderpath "do it" over there as well?


yes, as stated in the dictionary!

Richmond.
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Re: Externally reffed-off

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Hi Richmond,

> Am 10.01.2018 um 21:14 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Although "/" was mentioned in the post to which I replied I have come across
> places (not sure where: Windows?) where the itemDelimiter for pathways is
> a backslash "\" . . .

internally LC uses the SLASH as a pathdelimiter always and on ANY platform!

> Richmond.
> 
> On 10/1/2018 9:02 pm, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode wrote:
>> We can count on you, Richmond to ask the questions that the rest of us are
>> afraid to ask
>> 
>>  thanks for being here,  grumpy or not
>> 
>> --
>> Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
>> mixstream.org
>> 
>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 10:50 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Presumably the itemDelimiter should be "/" ?

Best

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Re: Externally reffed-off

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Hi Richmond,

> Am 10.01.2018 um 13:13 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> I thought I'd "play a game", so I set up a new stack with 2 buttons:
> 
> [Mac OS]
> 
> Button 1 contained this script:
> 
> onmouseUp
>setthedefaultfoldertospecialfolderpath("resources"
> endmouseUp
> 
> and Button 2 contained this script:
> 
> onmouseUp
>  putthedefaultFolder
> endmouseUp
> 
> I clicked on Button 1 and then on Button 2
> 
> and got this in the Message Box:
> 
> /Users/richmondmathewson/LiveCode/LiveCode Indy 
> 8.1.8.app/Contents/Tools/Toolset

sounds like you did not SAVE that stack so far.
If saved specialfolderpath("resources") shoud give you the folder that stack 
has beeen saved in!

> ...
> Richmond.

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Re: Externally reffed-off

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Hi Richmond,

> Am 10.01.2018 um 13:20 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Well, YOUR LiveCode, MY LiveCode, EVERYONE'S LiveCode:

ah, snappish answers! 
A typical reaction after having been caught! :-D

> YOUR recipe worked.
> Thanks a bucket!

You're welcome!

> Richmond.
> 
> On 10/1/2018 2:01 pm, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi Richmond,
>> 
>>> Am 10.01.2018 um 12:57 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> My "problem" Klaus is that I don't know YOUR LiveCode,
>> that's why I wrote "Know YOUR Livecode" and not "Know MY Livecode", Sir! :-)
>> 
>>> but I do know MY LiveCode.
>>> 
>>> I have a theory that once one has been working inwith a system for many 
>>> years
>>> one's methods and mindset become fixed in a way that may not be very useful.
>> But you know specialfolderpath("resources") and the fact that everything you 
>> add to
>> your standalone(s) via the "Copy files..." tab in the standalone builder 
>> settings can be
>> found in that sepcialfolderpath in the standalone?
>> 
>>> Best, Richmond.
>>> 
>>> On 10/1/2018 1:32 pm, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
> Am 10.01.2018 um 12:17 schrieb Mike Bonner via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Change it to..
> set the defaultfolder to item 1 to -5 of the effective filename of this
> stack
> 
> and it should work. I don't have an available mac to test though, so
> tweakage might be necessary. (not likely though its pretty
> straightforward)
> 
> You can put it in an if block if you want so that if the environment is
> development you use the first method, else you use the second.
 Know your Livecode! :-)
 ...
 set the defaultfolder to specialfolderpath("resources")
 ...
 
 This should however not be neccessary since relative pathnames that work in
 the IDE should also work in a standalone and actually do!

Best

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Re: Externally reffed-off

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Hi Richmond,

> Am 10.01.2018 um 13:23 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> And, IF, I were to try to port the thing to Android or iPad/iPhone would
> specialfolderpath "do it" over there as well?

yes, as stated in the dictionary!

> Richmond.

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Re: Externally reffed-off

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

you still need to set the itemdelimiter for it to work Richmond, otherwise
its not able to count items.

Also, I thought part of the issue was that you were referencing a folder
that is NOT in the application bundle using the copy files pane of the
standalone settings.  This is why using specialfolderpath("resources")
doesn't work.

Since you said you placed the app bundle next to the folder in question,
setting the itemdelimiter to "/" and then grabbing items 1 to -5 should
solve the problem.  (You had set the itemdel in your original example which
is why I didn't bother to include it (or the rest of the handler.)

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 5:25 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Richmond,
>
> > Am 10.01.2018 um 13:23 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > And, IF, I were to try to port the thing to Android or iPad/iPhone would
> > specialfolderpath "do it" over there as well?
>
> yes, as stated in the dictionary!
>
> > Richmond.
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
> --
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> http://www.major-k.de
> kl...@major-k.de
>
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Re: Externally reffed-off

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

And, IF, I were to try to port the thing to Android or iPad/iPhone would
specialfolderpath "do it" over there as well?

Richmond.

On 10/1/2018 2:20 pm, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

Well, YOUR LiveCode, MY LiveCode, EVERYONE'S LiveCode: YOUR recipe worked.

Thanks a bucket!

Richmond.

On 10/1/2018 2:01 pm, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Richmond,


Am 10.01.2018 um 12:57 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via 
use-livecode:

My "problem" Klaus is that I don't know YOUR LiveCode,

that's why I wrote "Know YOUR Livecode" and not "Know MY Livecode", Sir! :-)


but I do know MY LiveCode.

I have a theory that once one has been working inwith a system for many years
one's methods and mindset become fixed in a way that may not be very useful.

But you know specialfolderpath("resources") and the fact that everything you 
add to
your standalone(s) via the "Copy files..." tab in the standalone builder 
settings can be
found in that sepcialfolderpath in the standalone?


Best, Richmond.

On 10/1/2018 1:32 pm, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:

Am 10.01.2018 um 12:17 schrieb Mike Bonner via 
use-livecode:

Change it to..
set the defaultfolder to item 1 to -5 of the effective filename of this
stack

and it should work. I don't have an available mac to test though, so
tweakage might be necessary. (not likely though its pretty
straightforward)

You can put it in an if block if you want so that if the environment is
development you use the first method, else you use the second.

Know your Livecode! :-)
...
set the defaultfolder to specialfolderpath("resources")
...

This should however not be neccessary since relative pathnames that work in
the IDE should also work in a standalone and actually do!

Best

Klaus

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Re: Externally reffed-off

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Well, YOUR LiveCode, MY LiveCode, EVERYONE'S LiveCode: YOUR recipe worked.

Thanks a bucket!

Richmond.

On 10/1/2018 2:01 pm, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Richmond,


Am 10.01.2018 um 12:57 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
:

My "problem" Klaus is that I don't know YOUR LiveCode,

that's why I wrote "Know YOUR Livecode" and not "Know MY Livecode", Sir! :-)


but I do know MY LiveCode.

I have a theory that once one has been working inwith a system for many years
one's methods and mindset become fixed in a way that may not be very useful.

But you know specialfolderpath("resources") and the fact that everything you 
add to
your standalone(s) via the "Copy files..." tab in the standalone builder 
settings can be
found in that sepcialfolderpath in the standalone?


Best, Richmond.

On 10/1/2018 1:32 pm, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:

Am 10.01.2018 um 12:17 schrieb Mike Bonner via use-livecode 
:

Change it to..
set the defaultfolder to item 1 to -5 of the effective filename of this
stack

and it should work. I don't have an available mac to test though, so
tweakage might be necessary. (not likely though its pretty
straightforward)

You can put it in an if block if you want so that if the environment is
development you use the first method, else you use the second.

Know your Livecode! :-)
...
set the defaultfolder to specialfolderpath("resources")
...

This should however not be neccessary since relative pathnames that work in
the IDE should also work in a standalone and actually do!

Best

Klaus

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Re: OT: system recommendation

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

If not data is being stored on the raid, and is only being used for post 
processing, then the more drives you add to a stripe, the faster it can be, 
with the limitation of the external interface. I hear Thunderbolt interfaces 
scream but are pricey. 

Also, you will need to have some kind of backup for current projects. Last 
thing you want is to lose the stripe the day before final rendering. Ask me how 
I know. Barring that, a RAID 5 may be a better choice, but it's not as fast. 

Bob S


> On Jan 10, 2018, at 02:01 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I also don't know how important drive throughput is for vid processing.  I
> know it matters, but how fast is fast enough?  Does it pay to set up a
> striped set of 3 or 5 drives?  Or a hybrid drive?


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Re: Externally reffed-off

[Brian Milby via use-livecode]

>From the shell dictionary entry:

*Note:* If you use a file path in the shell command on a Windows system,
the file path must be in Windows form, not the Unix-style file paths that
LiveCode uses internally.


> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 2:15 PM Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Although "/" was mentioned in the post to which I replied I have come
>> across
>> places (not sure where: Windows?) where the itemDelimiter for pathways is
>> a backslash "\" . . .
>>
>> Richmond.
>>
>>
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Re: Do widgets support introspection?

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 01/10/2018 12:37 PM, Ali Lloyd via use-livecode wrote:

Brian is correct, this is a temporary use of the lcdoc stuff for script
libraries to contain info that would be contained in its manifest.

Rather than worrying about what information comes from where, it would
probably be best to use the revIDEExtensions function which returns all the
'metadata' associated with extensions (both lcb and lcs). Although
admittedly that doesn't yet contain information about public handlers in
script library extensions.


Thanks for that! revIDEExtensions() looks almost useful. Is there 
something similar for user extensions? Is this function going to be 
documented some day?


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Re: Do widgets support introspection?

[Ali Lloyd via use-livecode]

revIDEExtensions gives info on all the installed extensions, user or
otherwise (I guess it's the revIDE prefix that makes it sound like it
doesn't).

Yes, it is going to be documented some day! Hopefully when there are more
resources available to sort out documenting the IDE.


On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 9:17 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
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> On 01/10/2018 12:37 PM, Ali Lloyd via use-livecode wrote:
> > Brian is correct, this is a temporary use of the lcdoc stuff for script
> > libraries to contain info that would be contained in its manifest.
> >
> > Rather than worrying about what information comes from where, it would
> > probably be best to use the revIDEExtensions function which returns all
> the
> > 'metadata' associated with extensions (both lcb and lcs). Although
> > admittedly that doesn't yet contain information about public handlers in
> > script library extensions.
>
> Thanks for that! revIDEExtensions() looks almost useful. Is there
> something similar for user extensions? Is this function going to be
> documented some day?
>
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>   ahsoftw...@gmail.com
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Re: OT: system recommendation

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

Thanks much Bob.  There is a definite adjustment being made in budget on
this.  Throwing money at a system that will "almost" work would be a very
bad thing.  I've been researching 10g ethernet, prices (for used cards, as
well as a couple new) are coming down which is nice, but costs are still
relatively high for us poor folk out here in the middle of nowhere.  I
think between you, and the reading and youtubing I've been doing i'm much
closer to understanding enough to help them decide.

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> For 4k post production, or even capture I would say that even a gigabit
> network may not suffice. Typically you would use a fiber channel, or as I
> said a high speed interface like SCSI or Thunderbolt. Unfortunately, an
> reliable and economical 4k capture and post production workflow is a
> contradiction in terms.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jan 10, 2018, at 09:10 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Bob.  Yeah I've already been stressing the need for a backup
> > strategy. Possibly a combination of a freenas with zfs1 (3 drives, I
> > already have most of the parts to make it work) and nextcloud as part of
> > the strategy. (plus offline)  Love freenas.  (now i'm wondering if the
> > network would be quick enough to work off a share)  So much to learn.
>
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Re: where are Livecode crash logs stored?

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

No, nothing. 

Anyway, i am a bit further and do not need a crash log anymore.

Thanks Klaus.

Regards,

Matthias Rebbe
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> Am 10.01.2018 um 20:43 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
> >:
> 
> Hi Matthias,
> 
>> Am 10.01.2018 um 20:27 schrieb Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
>> >:
>> 
>> Thanks Klaus,
>> ~/Library/Logs/RunRev lists only the file LivecodeToolsLog.txt
>> and  ~/Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports is empty.
> 
> hmm, I have some crash logs in my "DiagnosticReports" folder, so this was my 
> first idea.
> 
> Please open "Konsole" (im Ordner Dienstprogramme) and see if it lists any LC 
> crash log somewhere.
> If yes, right-click on the entry  if possible and select "Show in Finder".
> 
>> Matthias
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
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> 
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Re: OT: Why I Probably Will Never, Ever Learn HTML%

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

Richmond, now you're just grumbling.

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On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 12:22 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Well, that page is like most computer manual pages: written in pompous,
> over-jargonised language.
>
> I am 100% sure that what that page actually covers up is fairly straight
> forward.
>
> I just had a look at Danny Goodman's "The Complete HyperCard 2.2" and
> realised
> that its 1144 pages could be "boiled down" to about 200: one of the many
> reasons
> why I have never managed to read more than a page at a go.
>
> My wife and I have been reading through Plato's Republic recently: now
> there's
> a book that is easy to read, contains a lot of sense, and is still valid
> about 2,500
> years after it was written.
>
> People who write programming guides should attend writing seminars first
> and
> be required to read texts that say what they have to say in a clear way
> that does
> not obfuscate everything with fancy words and obscure phrases.
>
> Richmond.
>
>
> On 10/1/2018 10:02 pm, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Maybe it is just age… or whatever.
>>
>> But every time I get the idea of "maybe I might see if I will do
>> something in HTML5"
>>
>> I go to a page like this, I start to get a headache and walk away.
>>
>> https://reactjs.org/docs/integrating-with-other-libraries.html
>>
>> BR
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Re: OT: system recommendation

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

For 4k post production, or even capture I would say that even a gigabit network 
may not suffice. Typically you would use a fiber channel, or as I said a high 
speed interface like SCSI or Thunderbolt. Unfortunately, an reliable and 
economical 4k capture and post production workflow is a contradiction in terms. 

Bob S


> On Jan 10, 2018, at 09:10 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Bob.  Yeah I've already been stressing the need for a backup
> strategy. Possibly a combination of a freenas with zfs1 (3 drives, I
> already have most of the parts to make it work) and nextcloud as part of
> the strategy. (plus offline)  Love freenas.  (now i'm wondering if the
> network would be quick enough to work off a share)  So much to learn.


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Re: Creating .ipa now that iTunes has depreciated apps.

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

I love a balanced IPA. ;-)

Bob S


> On Jan 10, 2018, at 09:42 , Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well I finally updated iTunes and lost the ability to create an .ipa. I made
> a right click context item in finder to get one click .ipa creation back.
> 
> If anyone want this:
> 
> 1) Open up the Automater
> 2) Create new
> 3) Select "Run Shell Script" from left pane
> 4) Change "Pass input:" to "as arguments"
> 5) Paste in this script
> 
> current_path=$(dirname "$1")
> cd "$current_path"
> 
> for f in "$@"
> do
> mkdir Payload
> cp -r "$f" Payload/
> base=$(basename $f)
> base2="${base%.*}"
> zip -r "$base2".zip Payload/
> mv "$base2".zip "$base2".ipa
> rm -R Payload/
> done
> 
> 
> 6) Save and name it "Create ipa"
> 
> 
> That's it.
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> 
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Re: OT: Why I Probably Will Never, Ever Learn HTML%

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

I wouldn't know wht that looked like. ;-)

Bob S


> On Jan 10, 2018, at 12:22 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, that page is like most computer manual pages: written in pompous,
> over-jargonised language.


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Re: Do widgets support introspection?

[Ali Lloyd via use-livecode]

Yep. At some point it might be good to put add a general filtering
parameter.

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 10:50 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 01/10/2018 01:52 PM, Ali Lloyd via use-livecode wrote:
> > revIDEExtensions gives info on all the installed extensions, user or
> > otherwise (I guess it's the revIDE prefix that makes it sound like it
> > doesn't).
>
> Yeah, I got thrown off by that and didn't dig down far enough to see the
> user extensions in the mix. So iterating through
>
> put revIDEExtensions() into tArray
> repeat for each element tExtension in tArray
>put tExtension["ide"] into tIsBuiltIn
>...
>
> will distinguish between built-in and user extensions?
>
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mobilePickDate

[Pyyhtiä Christer via use-livecode]

The dictionary states the result from mobilePickDate is in seconds.

The reality with Android the result is in format mm/dd/yy.

Is this known error in documentation?


Christer Pyyhtiä
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Re: Do widgets support introspection?

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 01/10/2018 01:52 PM, Ali Lloyd via use-livecode wrote:

revIDEExtensions gives info on all the installed extensions, user or
otherwise (I guess it's the revIDE prefix that makes it sound like it
doesn't).


Yeah, I got thrown off by that and didn't dig down far enough to see the 
user extensions in the mix. So iterating through


put revIDEExtensions() into tArray
repeat for each element tExtension in tArray
  put tExtension["ide"] into tIsBuiltIn
  ...

will distinguish between built-in and user extensions?

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TextEditWidget-Basic v0.9.9

[hh via use-livecode]

This is a still very basic TextEdit widget for LC 8 (8.1.5 and later).
>From several reasons I don't publish a LC 9 version of the widget.
[The widget is the 'widget version' of stack "HHTextEdit-Basic".]

It uses libbrowser and essential handlers of the browser widget source.
It has NO dependencies (i.e. no extern JS libs to download, uses vanilla
JS and CSS3 via libbrowser).

Download the zip-file from here, unzip it and locate it from the
LC Menubar > Tools > Extensions Manager using the plus at top right:

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=162504#p162504

The widget has 40 properties available: Text, Filter (blur, sepia etc.)
and Transforms (rotate3D etc.). You can get/set these props by ordinary
script or in the property inspector.

The widget runs here without problems, even better than the stack
version (that uses the browser widget), on

*** Mac 10.12/Win 7+10/linux (Mint173-32bit and Ubuntu 1604-64bit) ***


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Re: where are Livecode crash logs stored?

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

On 1/10/18 1:43 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Matthias,


Am 10.01.2018 um 20:27 schrieb Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
:

Thanks Klaus,
~/Library/Logs/RunRev lists only thefile LivecodeToolsLog.txt
and  ~/Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports is empty.


hmm, I have some crash logs in my "DiagnosticReports" folder, so this was my 
first idea.

Please open "Konsole" (im Ordner Dienstprogramme) and see if it lists any LC 
crash log somewhere.
If yes, right-click on the entry  if possible and select "Show in Finder".


Sorry to piggyback, I don't have the original post. But a freeze isn't a 
crash, so there won't be a log. The user quit the app manually, even if 
it was a force-quit. It could be the result of LC getting into some kind 
of infinite loop, or somethng in the stack scripts.


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Re: use-livecode Digest, Vol 172, Issue 22

[Richard Burkett via use-livecode]

Thank you, Paul!
I finally got this to work in my test stack using the script below. Note that 
it has the change to “set the rawClipBoardData to empty” instead of just “set 
the ClipBoardData to empty” - that seemed to be necessary at least in LC 8.1.3 
with Mac OS X 10.12.8 Sierra which I have to use as my scripts of my main app 
don’t compile or run correctly at this point with more recent versions of 
LiveCode (but that’s another issue).

on mouseUp
   put fld "myField" into tClip
   lock the clipBoard
   set the ClipboardData to empty
   set the ClipboardData to tClip
   put the clipboardData["text"] into tClip
   set the rawclipBoardData to empty
   if the platform is "MacOS" then
  set the rawClipboardData["public.utf8-plain-text"] \
to textEncode(tClip, "UTF-8" )   -- OSX
   else if the platform is "Linux" then
  set the rawClipboardData["text/plain;charset=utf-8"] \
to textEncode(tClip, "UTF-8" ) -- Linux
   else if the platform contains "Win" then
  set the rawClipboardData["CF_UNICODE"] \
to textEncode(tClip, "UTF-16" ) -- Windows
   end if
   unlock the clipBoard
end mouseUp

Quietly laughing here as I had to copy the script from LC script editor to text 
edit to avoid having double spacing!

Richard

Richard Burkett
richard.burk...@sbcglobal.net

> On Jan 10, 2018, at 11:20 AM, Paul Hibbert wrote:
> 
> This works for me with LC9.0.0(dp11) on MacOS High Sierra 10.13.2:
> 
>   lock the clipBoard
>   put the clipboardData["text"] into tClip
>   set the clipBoardData to empty
>-- OSX
>   set the rawClipboardData["public.utf8-plain-text"] \
> to textEncode(tClip, "UTF-8" )
>   unlock the clipBoard
>   -- Now Go Paste in Apple Mail
> 
> For an in-depth explanation check the ?rawClipboardData" in the dictionary.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
>> On Jan 10, 2018, at 7:20 AM, Richard Burkett via use-livecode 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for the suggestion, Jacqueline, but it didn?t change anything. Anyone 
>> else have a script-based solution to make sure LiveCode pastes only plain 
>> text? ASCII, Native, MacRoman - none of those text encodings work. 
>> Even putting only this line in my script results in the same thing:
>> set the clipboarddata to ( "blah" & lf & "blah" & lf & "blah" & cr & "blah" 
>> & cr & "blah" & return & "blah" )
>> 
>> What?s different about text set in the clipboard in LiveCode from other text 
>> copied from other Mac apps?
>> 
>> Richard Burkett
>> richard.burk...@sbcglobal.net 
>> 
>>> On 1/9/18 12:09 PM, Richard Burkett via use-livecode wrote:
 Does anyone have a solution to this problem: I set the clipboard in 
 LiveCode to the text of a field or variable that has returns after each 
 line. When I paste that into Mac Mail, the text appears double-spaced as 
 if it has two returns, but clearly there is just one (or a combination of 
 CR and LF?). I?ve tried all the keys for setting the clipboard and also 
 writing a script to delete line feeds, or CR characters, but nothing 
 works. It?s either no returns, or what appears to be double-spaced returns.
 
 If I paste the text first into Text Edit, then copy it, and paste into Mac 
 Mail it?s fine - single line spacing. What?s LiveCode adding to each line 
 that causes Mac Mail to show the pasted text as double spaced? Is there a 
 way to filter/remove that?
>>> 
>>> I don't have a good way to test this, but try:
>>> 
>>> set the clipboardData to textEncode(the clipboardData,"native")
>>> 
>>> 
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>>>  >> >
>>> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com 
>>>  >> >

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