Re: [OT] is the Lion really just a donkey sewn inside an old lion skin?

2011-06-12 Thread Andre Garzia
I don't have any extra info regarding that. Its just that as unix-friendly developer, I see no advantage in Lion for me. From a user perspective, both iCloud and Versions are really attractive but I have a heterogeneous ecosystem here with Macs and Linux machines and Android, WebOS and iOS machines

Re: [OT] is the Lion really just a donkey sewn inside an old lion skin?

2011-06-12 Thread stephen barncard
I'm involved with trying to keep up with Pro Tools and whatever replaces Final Cut Pro - I may have no choice. Also Lion is going to go live soon this summer - and I will at least need to check compatibility with anything I create. Future versions of FCP most certainly will be 'Lion Only' to tak

Re: [OT] is the Lion really just a donkey sewn inside an old lion skin?

2011-06-12 Thread Andre Garzia
Folks, I've just reverted back from Lion. I don't have enough space for a dedicated volume, so, I decided to upgrade my Live Main Development system to lion and guess what, BETA really means BETA. After it managed to crash the mac with that fine kernel panic message six times in two or three hours

Re: How to structure HTML text (tags and attributes) for processing in LiveCode?

2011-06-12 Thread Mark Schonewille
/*** Formatting HTML code *** indentHtml v.0.1.0, 13 June 2011 Adjust kTags to define tags that need indentation. Parameters: theHtml: any valid HTML source code; theTabSpaces: the number of positions occupied by one tab character theSoftWrapCol: the column (=position number) after which lines are

Re: How to structure HTML text (tags and attributes) for processing in LiveCode?

2011-06-12 Thread Peter Brigham MD
On Jun 12, 2011, at 5:24 PM, Jim Ault wrote: > On Jun 12, 2011, at 1:15 PM, Keith Clarke wrote: >> I am a LiveCode novice (<1 year, so still a Rookie!). So, part of the >> challenge with LiveCode (and indeed, software development in general for me) >> is understanding the art of the possible. >

Re: How to structure HTML text (tags and attributes) for processing in LiveCode?

2011-06-12 Thread Jim Ault
On Jun 12, 2011, at 1:15 PM, Keith Clarke wrote: I am a LiveCode novice (<1 year, so still a Rookie!). So, part of the challenge with LiveCode (and indeed, software development in general for me) is understanding the art of the possible. If you have a URL, I could give some concrete exampl

Re: [OT] is the Lion really just a donkey sewn inside an old lion skin?

2011-06-12 Thread Roger Eller
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 3:07 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > Hey don't peg me as a robotic apple fanboy/apologist. I swear everyday at > some of the idiotic UI and procedural gyrations Apple puts us through. It's funny that you used the word "robotic" as the negative adjective for the label I did

Re: How to structure HTML text (tags and attributes) for processing in LiveCode?

2011-06-12 Thread Keith Clarke
I am a LiveCode novice (<1 year, so still a Rookie!). So, part of the challenge with LiveCode (and indeed, software development in general for me) is understanding the art of the possible. These short, worked example video demonstrations - with a low level of abstraction from real world object

Re: [OT] is the Lion really just a donkey sewn inside an old lion skin?

2011-06-12 Thread stephen barncard
Hey don't peg me as a robotic apple fanboy/apologist. I swear everyday at some of the idiotic UI and procedural gyrations Apple puts us through. And I don't stand in line for their new products. But this machine is pretty well evolved (even though externally it looks almost identical to my 2005 G5

Re: [OT] is the Lion really just a donkey sewn inside an old lion skin?

2011-06-12 Thread Roger Eller
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 1:48 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > Well for one thing, everything Apple in Lion is 64 bit and is DAMN FAST on my 12-core. Quite a jump from the old G5 of the same speed. Granted, > there was not the extra load of all the startup stuff I usually have because I > was

Re: How to structure HTML text (tags and attributes) for processing in LiveCode?

2011-06-12 Thread Colin Holgate
Anything in particular? My thing was really all about how to do things as a beginner, there are fancier more obscure ways to do the same things. Not necessarily better, but sometimes more powerful. On Jun 12, 2011, at 1:44 PM, Keith Clarke wrote: > > BTW nice presentation last night and reall

Re: [OT] is the Lion really just a donkey sewn inside an old lion skin?

2011-06-12 Thread stephen barncard
Well for one thing, everything Apple in Lion is 64 bit and is DAMN FAST on my 12-core. Quite a jump from the old G5 of the same speed. Granted, there was not the extra load of all the startup stuff I usually have because I was running Lion in a dedicated volume, as I was warned by the Dev group,

Re: How to structure HTML text (tags and attributes) for processing in LiveCode?

2011-06-12 Thread Keith Clarke
Thanks Colin. Actually, I think this is the same Tidy project as I reached in my recent thread about my quest to get TextWrangler to soft-wrap HTML text files by tags and attributes (still can't get the syntax quite right). I hadn't thought of trying to access it direct from LiveCode though. The

Re: odd stack corruption

2011-06-12 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 6/12/11 2:19 AM, Jeff Reynolds wrote: then i tried to go to edit the group that was causing the other to be show and in edit mode in select objects or select grouped if you clicked on any element of the group it would not select it, but it would behave as if in run mode. It doesn't sound li

RE: doublebyte chars

2011-06-12 Thread Slava Paperno
In my first response I suggested you use "word N of the unicodeText of field MyFiled." I still recommend that. Instead of manipulating the fields, as you would with single-byte text, I suggest you put their unicodeText into variables, use the uniDecode(MyVar, "UTF8") function to convert the variab

re: doublebyte chars

2011-06-12 Thread Lars Brehmer
Thanks for the suggestions, but I am still completely baffled. (I noticed that Russian text didn't display in the newsletter) I looked and Devin's tutorial and experimented a little bit. Two fields, both "arial,russian" In the first (fld "q1") I typed in Russian "menya zovut" (I am called, or t

Re: How to structure HTML text (tags and attributes) for processing in LiveCode?

2011-06-12 Thread Colin Holgate
Not sure how my other reply ended up on the wrong thread! Take two... Here is a different approach: If your source is XHTML you can treat it as XML, and go through nodes that way. If it's not XHTML, look at this tool: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-tiptidy/index.html You might

Re: How to structure HTML text (tags and attributes) for processing in LiveCode?

2011-06-12 Thread Keith Clarke
Whoops - sorry to make you repeat yourself Jim (& thanks Björnke for the reminder why I need to 'replace', as 'filter' only works at line level) Still, sorted - I now have a list of stuff out of one page to take along to the next hurdle! ;-) Best, Keith.. On 12 Jun 2011, at 14:58, Jim Ault w

Re: How to structure HTML text (tags and attributes) for processing in LiveCode?

2011-06-12 Thread Jim Ault
On Jun 12, 2011, at 6:42 AM, Keith Clarke wrote: Thanks for the insights Jim (and Stephen) - all very useful. A list of stuff is now emerging from the depths of the page. The only problem I have now is some stubborn ' ' characters that don't respond to filtering without " " or numToChar(160

Re: How to structure HTML text (tags and attributes) for processing in LiveCode?

2011-06-12 Thread Björnke von Gierke
nbsp means a nonbreaking space. most html renderer remove double spaces, for historical reasons as far as i know. thus the nbsp was introduced, and can appear anywhere in a text, most often to do basic indentation. however, filter only works on full lines, and is thus not helpful with that. you

Re: How to structure HTML text (tags and attributes) for processing in LiveCode?

2011-06-12 Thread Keith Clarke
Thanks for the insights Jim (and Stephen) - all very useful. A list of stuff is now emerging from the depths of the page. The only problem I have now is some stubborn ' ' characters that don't respond to filtering without " " or numToChar(160). Any ideas? Best, Keith.. On 12 Jun 2011, at 14:18,

Re: How to structure HTML text (tags and attributes) for processing in LiveCode?

2011-06-12 Thread Jim Ault
Okay, 4 more that were not on the previous list " & <> On Jun 12, 2011, at 4:14 AM, Keith Clarke wrote: I've got the HTML source into a reasonable shape for processing with line and item chunk expressions by using: Jim Ault Las Vegas

Re: How to structure HTML text (tags and attributes) for processing in LiveCode?

2011-06-12 Thread Jim Ault
I forgot to mention the old frames style if you are looking into archives on old sites, and on newer sites, easy to detect, but now you have a second . On Jun 12, 2011, at 4:14 AM, Keith Clarke wrote: I've got the HTML source into a reasonable shape for processing with line and item ch

[OT] is the Lion really just a donkey sewn inside an old lion skin?

2011-06-12 Thread Richmond Mathewson
The thing that makes me wonder is Apple's appropriation of the term "launchpad" from somewhere else: https://launchpad.net/ they may have even nicked the logo: http://www.volaciousmedia.com/portfolio/launchpad apart from the fact that Lion looks like a load of eye-candy . . . __

Re: [OT] A quiet read about Ubuntu

2011-06-12 Thread Peter Alcibiades
I'm using Fedora for an installation where I just couldn't get Debian to drive the hardware properly, and its very nice - very up to date, quick install, very easy to manage. But the one I'm about to try personally is Bodhi, on a Thinkpad I just acquired used. Always had a soft spot for Enlighten

Re: Is there a way to edit the revlet HTML template?

2011-06-12 Thread Keith Clarke
William, I second the revWeb plugin/player request! As for templates, why not construct the template files in a LiveCode field or variable and write the resulting text out to HTML text files on disk? That way you have complete control over repeatable 'boiler-plate' and file-specific content.

Re: How to structure HTML text (tags and attributes) for processing in LiveCode?

2011-06-12 Thread Keith Clarke
I've got the HTML source into a reasonable shape for processing with line and item chunk expressions by using: put field "fld Page Source Code" into tHTML replace "/div>" with "/div>" & return in tHTML replace "/tr>" with "/tr>" & return in tHTML replace "/td>" with "/td>" & tab in tHTML filter t

Is there a way to edit the revlet HTML template?

2011-06-12 Thread William de Smet
Hi there, Because I am about to build a lot of revlets I am looking for a way to edit the 'template' of the build test.html file. I don't want to edit them all by hand over and over again. Is this possible? P.S. And I sure hope there will be a better version of the plugin because the support for

Re: How to structure HTML text (tags and attributes) for processing in LiveCode?

2011-06-12 Thread Keith Clarke
Thanks for the steer Stephen - I have Remo but hadn't discovered Jerry's tutorials before. Much to study there. The screen-scraping lessons start from the premise that the HTML source is already reasonably structured into lines - for filtering, etc - so it doesn't help with my challenge of gett

[ANN] ChartMaker on YouTube

2011-06-12 Thread FlexibleLearning
ChartMaker4LC A new channel for ChartMaker for LiveCode with easy-access video tutorials is now available on YouTube at www.youtube.com/user/ChartMaker4LC The 'HowTo' Topics currently covered include... - How to install ChartMaker - The Toolbar in ChartMaker - How to Create and Save in ChartMake

Re: How to structure HTML text (tags and attributes) for processing in LiveCode?

2011-06-12 Thread stephen barncard
Jerry Daniels has an excellent series on screen scraping. Several video lessons. http://revmentor.com/business-logic-screen-scraping-1 On 12 June 2011 02:27, Keith Clarke wrote: > Hi folks, > Local rainy Saturday night broadband load prevented me from seeing the > whole of Colin Holgate's fasci

How to structure HTML text (tags and attributes) for processing in LiveCode?

2011-06-12 Thread Keith Clarke
Hi folks, Local rainy Saturday night broadband load prevented me from seeing the whole of Colin Holgate's fascinating LiveCode Live presentation on working with web page source HTML text - so I can't wait for the recording! Meanwhile, I'm trying to extract various html tags and specific attribut

odd stack corruption

2011-06-12 Thread Jeff Reynolds
ok, this is one of the few times i have ever run into stack corruption in all my years with hypercard, metacard, rev, livecode... I have a application for an exhibit that started way back in the early metacard days thats been running and evolving for years now. this last update i also reved