Thinking the unthinkable.
What happens if, at the end of February, the Kickstart fund has not reached its target? Does that mean that all the hype, thought and advertising about an O-S Livecode variant goes down the toilet? Or are we to expect an extension of the date at which the target should be fulfilled? Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Open source, LC server and revigniter
Not quite true the GPLv3http://www.gnu.org/licenses/quick-guide-gplv3.htmlincludes the affero http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affero_General_Public_License clause - this is designed to include the more modern concept of web apps. That is hosting a publicly available web service using GPLv3 licences code is considered equivalent to physically distributing the code and therefore you must release any other code linked to your service under the amse GPLv3 license. On 3 February 2013 11:50, Monte Goulding mo...@sweattechnologies.comwrote: Unless you are distributing you web app code with LC Server then it won't be under GPL as far as I know. Just like using MySQL for your server db. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Open source, LC server and revigniter
We're not using the AGPL. It is optional and we're not using it. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Unleash Your Killer App On 04/02/2013 12:44, David Bovill da...@vaudevillecourt.tv wrote: Not quite true the GPLv3http://www.gnu.org/licenses/quick-guide-gplv3.htmlincludes the affero http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affero_General_Public_License clause - this is designed to include the more modern concept of web apps. That is hosting a publicly available web service using GPLv3 licences code is considered equivalent to physically distributing the code and therefore you must release any other code linked to your service under the amse GPLv3 license. On 3 February 2013 11:50, Monte Goulding mo...@sweattechnologies.comwrote: Unless you are distributing you web app code with LC Server then it won't be under GPL as far as I know. Just like using MySQL for your server db. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Java, Apple and Pork Pies.
That article refers to a Mac OS version that is about 10 versions ago. It naturally has a different situation with Java. On Feb 4, 2013, at 12:49 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Supposedly Java is out for Apple; and this update would seem to bely that. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Open source, LC server and revigniter
Ah good to know - my bad. Doesn't immediately strike me as in your interests - though I can see some companies demanding this - still why you don't simply require them to pay up for a commercial license on the server like seems at odds with the overall strategy, and less likely to promote open code on the server side? On 4 February 2013 12:50, Kevin Miller ke...@runrev.com wrote: We're not using the AGPL. It is optional and we're not using it. Kind regards, Kevin ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 2:38 AM, Peter Alcibiades palcibiades-fi...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: It also has the potential to remove the Hypercard danger - that of being stuck in an orphaned product. If its open sourced that can never happen. The OSS branch can never get orphaned. The commercial branch can, however . . . Now I'm musing about ways to deal with that; perhaps an exception that allows the proprietary standalone to be built if certain events occur? a cod escrow? -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Open source, LC server and revigniter
Yes I agree, I don't see how RunRev will get any reward for having a server version - and if they don't get any reward for it then it may be less likely to be developed on an on-going basis. I use TextMate to write code and upload to a server (whether I use revigniter or not) - I'm not building a standalone or even uploading a stack - so as far as I can see it will make no difference whether I use the commercial or GPL version. If I create and upload some stacks I guess I'll still be OK with the GPL version as I'm not building a standalone? If I build a standalone and upload that only then will need a commercial licence (unless I also make source code available) Or maybe RunRev are happy to have the server version as a loss-leader? Dave Ah good to know - my bad. Doesn't immediately strike me as in your interests - though I can see some companies demanding this - still why you don't simply require them to pay up for a commercial license on the server like seems at odds with the overall strategy, and less likely to promote open code on the server side? -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Open-source-LC-server-and-revigniter-tp4660146p4660180.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
filter with a tab character
I have tab-delimited list and am trying to filter lines. Q1. How do we include a TAB character in the expression? Using filter with *\tsomeText fails. Q2. How do we specify a maximum numeric value? Using filter with *[18] fails. Have tried reading up on Bourne Shell but am totally confused! Thanks. Hugh Senior FLCo ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: filter with a tab character
Hi Hugh, Am 04.02.2013 um 18:04 schrieb FlexibleLearning.com ad...@flexiblelearning.com: I have tab-delimited list and am trying to filter lines. Q1. How do we include a TAB character in the expression? Using filter with *\tsomeText fails. use the contant TAB: ... filter tList with (* TAB whatever) ... Q2. How do we specify a maximum numeric value? Using filter with *[18] fails. Sorry, no idea. Maybe with some RegeEx? Have tried reading up on Bourne Shell but am totally confused! Thanks. Hugh Senior FLCo Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de kl...@major.on-rev.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Open source, LC server and revigniter
Dave Kilroy2 wrote: Yes I agree, I don't see how RunRev will get any reward for having a server version - and if they don't get any reward for it then it may be less likely to be developed on an on-going basis. When you think about it, LiveCode Server isn't much different from the main engine: the merge function is extended and implicit, and the GUI handling is turned off automatically so you don't need to pass -ui to it. With the if-defs they use to compile it already set up, I can't imagine it's much work to maintain it going forward. Or maybe RunRev are happy to have the server version as a loss-leader? Yes. The AGPL was created for one fairly recent project, Affero (the A in AGPL) in 2007. It's useful if that's what you need, but it's one of the least commonly used licenses around, often considered too strict for most projects. I'd be surprised if as many as a dozen other projects have adopted it thus far. Meanwhile, MySQL has flourished under GPL. Most of us use it for free, but when you need to bundle your app with it then you get to have a conversation with Oracle's licensing department; same with LiveCode Server. LiveCode is nearly unmatched for making multi-platform GUI apps, but LiveCode server doesn't have nearly the competitive advantages over readily-available alternatives. PHP, for example, has a vast community, uncountable libraries, books, and tutorials available, and is already both multi-threaded and 64-bit compatible. Moreover, PHP is available for free under the very permissive PHP License, and is pre-installed on most commercial hosting systems. LiveCode's syntax has some nice conveniences, but for serious work its main benefit is for those who need to share code used also in LiveCode-based GUI apps, or to rely on coding skills acquired from using LiveCode in GUIs. As a for-fee product, LiveCode Server is a hard sell. But available for free use under GPL, it would at last have a chance to enchant newcomers with its unusually inviting syntax. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: filter with a tab character
Klaus wrote: Am 04.02.2013 um 18:04 schrieb FlexibleLearning.com: I have tab-delimited list and am trying to filter lines. Q1. How do we include a TAB character in the expression? Using filter with *\tsomeText fails. use the contant TAB: ... filter tList with (* TAB whatever) While the filter command is seductively simple to use, if your rows have many columns and you're filtering on one several columns in, you may find repeat for each will be more efficient: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user/72192/match=filter+tab+gaskin -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: just for fun: pop quiz
Jerry Jensen jhj@... writes: On 2/3/13 3:08 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Yeah, interesting point. I'm not sure what EOF means in that case either. Is that I received an EOF char from the port? I don't think EOF is meaningful with a serial driver. The closest character is Ctrl-D, EOT, end of transmission. Thanks. Yes, I meant EOT. If EOF for a file stream means you've gotten to the end then possibly EOF for a serial stream could mean you've received an EOT char. -- Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: to find the first numeric line?
Bravo. Most xTalk binary search algos depend on line-counting, which still requires considerable under-the-hood effort as the engine needs to traverse chunks to count CRs, over and over again. Your byte-based algo us much better - thanks for posting that. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys Alex Tweedly wrote: So I went back, did the thinking, eliminated kBrute (and thankfully the need for an unnecessary assumption/requirement to limit line length). I also changed it so that when we are about to test, we always have a complete line identified - and so it is much easier to adapt the code for other purposes. And - I changed the problem definition from Return the line number of the first line with a leading numeric to return the character number of the first character of the first line with a leading numeric This is much more efficient to use outside the function, as well as more efficient inside the function. The caller can now do something like put getCharacterPosition(myData) into tPos repeat for each line L in (char tPos to -1 of myData) ... instead of put getLinePosition(myData) into tLPos repeat for each line L in (line tLPos to -1 of myData) ... or put line 1 of (char tPos to -1 of myData) into temp rather than put line tLPos of Mydata into temp Both of these are much more efficient (will save 10s or 100s of millisecs in large data sets). With these changes, the binary search can now do 10M lines of input in typically 1 msec Even the worst case I can think of (all 300 Million characters are in a single line, no CRs anywhere), it gets a result in 1800 msec. So - here's the code for anyone who needs an efficient binary search of large string data. -- Alex. function f3 @pD local theResult local tLower, tUpper, tMid, c, t -- NB we are always going to maintain theResult as a feasible answer -- if there is no 'leading numeric' line, we answer with a number beyond the input data put (the number of chars in pD) + 1 into theResult put 1 into tLower put theResult into tUpper put trunc( (tUpper + tlower ) / 2) into tMid repeat 1 times -- check for a CR in the upper half put the offset(CR, char tMid to tUpper of pD) into t if t = 0 or tMid + t = tUpper then -- there is no CR in upper half -- move tUpper down to near tMid. -- Can't just move it down to exactly tMid because of the corner case -- where tMid to tUpper exactly spans the last line put tMid+1 into tUpper else -- there is a CR in this upper half, move tMid to just beyond it add t to tMid -- now tMid points to the start of a line -- do the test here - easy to adapt put char tMid of pD into c if c is a number then put tMid into tUpper put tMid into theResult else -- put tMid into tLower end if end if put trunc( (tUpper + tLower ) / 2) into tMid if tMid = tLower then -- we're done, just decide if this single remaining line is a candidate for the answer if char tMid of pD is a number then -- do the test again !! put tMid into theResult end if exit repeat end if if tMid = tLower+1 then -- tLower must point to the first char of an empty lie, so we can increment over it put tMid into tLower end if end repeat return theResult end f3 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: filter with a tab character
I think you could also use \t to signify a tab char. As for the matching a range of numbers you'd probably be better served to have lc handle whatever is leftover. However, barring that, you might look at this page: http://www.regular-expressions.info/numericranges.html for an explanation of how to get it done. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Klaus on-rev kl...@major.on-rev.comwrote: Hi Hugh, Am 04.02.2013 um 18:04 schrieb FlexibleLearning.com ad...@flexiblelearning.com: I have tab-delimited list and am trying to filter lines. Q1. How do we include a TAB character in the expression? Using filter with *\tsomeText fails. use the contant TAB: ... filter tList with (* TAB whatever) ... Q2. How do we specify a maximum numeric value? Using filter with *[18] fails. Sorry, no idea. Maybe with some RegeEx? Have tried reading up on Bourne Shell but am totally confused! Thanks. Hugh Senior FLCo Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de kl...@major.on-rev.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
issue PUT html command
I'm not even sure that's the right terminology. This is kind of related to my last post about push notifications. I found a neat web site (urbanairship.com) that has a server set up for sending push notifications to mobile devices. As far as I can tell, it's free to use. I'm still researching the details. Does anyone know anything about them? Anyway, they have an html api that allows for issuing certain commands, including registering device tokens, via PUT and GET. How do I do this with LiveCode? I haven't really done much of this kind of thing before. I'm sure it's easy, and will probably be obvious, but I'm not finding anything in the docs. Can anyone help? Thanks, Chris ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Open source, LC server and revigniter
This is it exactly. When selecting the license we looked very closely at the competitive landscape. GPL will play nicely given our competitive strengths as a desktop/mobile framework. But to do AGPL with the server version would be a mistake. We have a bigger hill to climb there and so we need to attract the framework writers etc who will really make that platform sing. If that can happen its good for the platform/language as a whole. The server version now its done isn't so hard to maintain. It doesn't need much added and where it does that tends to overlap with the other versions. For example, it needs the ability to draw objects and take snapshots of stacks but that's something that will be enabled by other work happening on the graphics stuff as part of the platform rework for non-server platforms anyway. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Unleash Your Killer App On 04/02/2013 17:17, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: LiveCode is nearly unmatched for making multi-platform GUI apps, but LiveCode server doesn't have nearly the competitive advantages over readily-available alternatives. PHP, for example, has a vast community, uncountable libraries, books, and tutorials available, and is already both multi-threaded and 64-bit compatible. Moreover, PHP is available for free under the very permissive PHP License, and is pre-installed on most commercial hosting systems. LiveCode's syntax has some nice conveniences, but for serious work its main benefit is for those who need to share code used also in LiveCode-based GUI apps, or to rely on coding skills acquired from using LiveCode in GUIs. As a for-fee product, LiveCode Server is a hard sell. But available for free use under GPL, it would at last have a chance to enchant newcomers with its unusually inviting syntax. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode
Dr. Hawkins dochawk@... writes: The OSS branch can never get orphaned. The commercial branch can, however ... Now I'm musing about ways to deal with that; perhaps an exception that allows the proprietary standalone to be built if certain events occur? a cod escrow? Thank you. I've been waiting for someone to notice this. One of the obstacles to LiveCode's acceptance in the Real World is that there's a single point of failure: what happens if something happens to RunRev? They go out of business (now it's *me* thinking the unthinkable), they get acquired by Larry Ellison, they do the HyperCard thing and just disappear... With a closed source engine and no code escrow we're all out of luck. And that's a serious impediment for any company that's thinking about investing their future in LiveCode as a platform. By open-sourcing the engine we've got several options. The community can take it forward, the code can get forked, our investment is future-proof. The only things that wouldn't be covered are the parts that you would need a commercial license for: stack protection, etc, and that's the same situation we have today. It would be nice if a code escrow arrangement could be worked out for those, but first things first. -- Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ...now that I've seen cod escrow I can't unsee it... ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode
The stack protection code will not be in the GPL version and will not be released. Stacks without protection will be interchangeable between GPL and commercial, but the GPL version won't even be able to open stacks with password protection. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Unleash Your Killer App On 02/02/2013 00:44, Glen Bojsza gboj...@gmail.com wrote: So given Kevin has said the stack protection code will be under GPL will you stop using it? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: filter with a tab character
filter searches for a pattern, not a value, so this can work to filter anything 'less than 18', but would work to filter results with the chars , 1 or 8. Paul On 2013-02-04, at 9:04 AM, FlexibleLearning.com wrote: Q2. How do we specify a maximum numeric value? Using filter with *[18] fails. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: filter with a tab character
Sorry, that should have read can't work not can work. On 2013-02-04, at 9:48 AM, Paul Hibbert wrote: filter searches for a pattern, not a value, so this can work to filter anything 'less than 18', but would work to filter results with the chars , 1 or 8. Paul On 2013-02-04, at 9:04 AM, FlexibleLearning.com wrote: Q2. How do we specify a maximum numeric value? Using filter with *[18] fails. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Open source, LC server and revigniter
Thanks all, I understand now :) This is it exactly. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Open-source-LC-server-and-revigniter-tp4660146p4660194.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: issue PUT html command
Have you seen this? I got the Android version working. http://lessons.runrev.com/m/4069/l/59312 At the time when I was looking at it (last summer, I think) it seemed that the iOS version was more common (more worked out). Bernard On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Chris Sheffield cmsheffi...@icloud.comwrote: I'm not even sure that's the right terminology. This is kind of related to my last post about push notifications. I found a neat web site ( urbanairship.com) that has a server set up for sending push notifications to mobile devices. As far as I can tell, it's free to use. I'm still researching the details. Does anyone know anything about them? Anyway, they have an html api that allows for issuing certain commands, including registering device tokens, via PUT and GET. How do I do this with LiveCode? I haven't really done much of this kind of thing before. I'm sure it's easy, and will probably be obvious, but I'm not finding anything in the docs. Can anyone help? Thanks, Chris ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Open source, LC server and revigniter
Kevin Miller wrote: For example, it needs the ability to draw objects and take snapshots of stacks but that's something that will be enabled by other work happening on the graphics stuff as part of the platform rework for non-server platforms anyway. Wow. So cool. That'll obviate a lot of need for imagemagick, opening up many new doors for LC Server. Will that be available next Tuesday? :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Open source, LC server and revigniter
Depends how much you pledge :) In all seriousness though, there is an ongoing project on this front which is definitely getting there now. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Unleash Your Killer App On 04/02/2013 17:58, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Kevin Miller wrote: For example, it needs the ability to draw objects and take snapshots of stacks but that's something that will be enabled by other work happening on the graphics stuff as part of the platform rework for non-server platforms anyway. Wow. So cool. That'll obviate a lot of need for imagemagick, opening up many new doors for LC Server. Will that be available next Tuesday? :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: issue PUT html command
Bernard, Yes, thank you. Actually, I've been looking at the one for iOS. It talks about setting up your own server, but I don't have the know-how nor the resources right now to do that. So when I found Urban Airship I was happy. So I just need to figure out how to send this command and I should be good. Or, I could possibly create an external that wraps their Obj-C api instead. The bad thing is, I really only need one function, and that's the one that registers a device. So I thought an external might be overkill, since they have this other method. Anyway, thanks for the link. Chris On Feb 4, 2013, at 10:53 AM, Bernard Devlin bdrun...@gmail.com wrote: Have you seen this? I got the Android version working. http://lessons.runrev.com/m/4069/l/59312 At the time when I was looking at it (last summer, I think) it seemed that the iOS version was more common (more worked out). Bernard On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Chris Sheffield cmsheffi...@icloud.comwrote: I'm not even sure that's the right terminology. This is kind of related to my last post about push notifications. I found a neat web site ( urbanairship.com) that has a server set up for sending push notifications to mobile devices. As far as I can tell, it's free to use. I'm still researching the details. Does anyone know anything about them? Anyway, they have an html api that allows for issuing certain commands, including registering device tokens, via PUT and GET. How do I do this with LiveCode? I haven't really done much of this kind of thing before. I'm sure it's easy, and will probably be obvious, but I'm not finding anything in the docs. Can anyone help? Thanks, Chris ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: filter with a tab character
2013/2/4 FlexibleLearning.com ad...@flexiblelearning.com
I have tab-delimited list and am trying to filter lines.
Q1. How do we include a TAB character in the expression? Using filter with
*\tsomeText fails.
see \s below
Q2. How do we specify a maximum numeric value? Using filter with *[18]
fails.
on mouseUp
local tmp
put fld 1 into tList
-- \s match space and tab
-- get \s[0-9]\s -- any 0 to 9 single number
-- get \s[1-4][0-9]\s -- accept 10 to 49
-- get \s[1-4]\d\s -- accept 10 to 49
-- get \s[1-4]?\d\s -- accept 0 to 49
get \s[1-4]?(\d){1,3}\s -- accept 0 to 4999
repeat for each line L in tList
if matchText( L, IT ) then put L cr after tmp
end repeat
put tmp
end mouseUp
Forget about filter; it doesn't play with regex, just sort of...
my fld test contains:
hjkdf sdfsdflkj 987dsf sdf sdf
fgffg gf gf4998 fd ddf ddfd
fgffg gf gf5000 fd ddf ddfd
ere e re 1234567890e
gfgjfkgf dfglwer 0 fdfsla sdfsdf
gfgjfkgf dfglwer 42fdfsla sdfsdf
try tytry retert 41dfsdffdsd
sdflk; asdf 33dfdfdfsa dsfsdff
kjklj jlkjlk 7ljlkj lkjkjlkj jljljkl
And it's fast.
HTH,
Thierry
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Re: filter with a tab character
Forgot one which maybe you need:
get \s([1-3]?\d|[4][0-2])\s -- accept 0 to 42
Regards,
Thierry
2013/2/4 Thierry Douez th.do...@gmail.com
2013/2/4 FlexibleLearning.com ad...@flexiblelearning.com
I have tab-delimited list and am trying to filter lines.
Q1. How do we include a TAB character in the expression? Using filter with
*\tsomeText fails.
see \s below
Q2. How do we specify a maximum numeric value? Using filter with *[18]
fails.
on mouseUp
local tmp
put fld 1 into tList
-- \s match space and tab
-- get \s[0-9]\s -- any 0 to 9 single number
-- get \s[1-4][0-9]\s -- accept 10 to 49
-- get \s[1-4]\d\s -- accept 10 to 49
-- get \s[1-4]?\d\s -- accept 0 to 49
get \s[1-4]?(\d){1,3}\s -- accept 0 to 4999
repeat for each line L in tList
if matchText( L, IT ) then put L cr after tmp
end repeat
put tmp
end mouseUp
Forget about filter; it doesn't play with regex, just sort of...
my fld test contains:
hjkdf sdfsdflkj 987dsf sdf sdf
fgffg gf gf4998 fd ddf ddfd
fgffg gf gf5000 fd ddf ddfd
ere e re 1234567890e
gfgjfkgf dfglwer 0 fdfsla sdfsdf
gfgjfkgf dfglwer 42fdfsla sdfsdf
try tytry retert 41dfsdffdsd
sdflk; asdf 33dfdfdfsa dsfsdff
kjklj jlkjlk 7ljlkj lkjkjlkj jljljkl
And it's fast.
HTH,
Thierry
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Re: filter with a tab character
Thanks for the insights. Much appreciated. The list to filter is not enormous, but the 'for each' option would also handle any numeric evaluations, so both solutions will be valuable. Hugh Senior FLCo Klaus wrote: Am 04.02.2013 um 18:04 schrieb FlexibleLearning.com: I have tab-delimited list and am trying to filter lines. Q1. How do we include a TAB character in the expression? Using filter with *\tsomeText fails. use the contant TAB: ... filter tList with (* TAB whatever) Richard wrote: While the filter command is seductively simple to use, if your rows have many columns and you're filtering on one several columns in, you may find repeat for each will be more efficient: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user/72192/match=filter +tab+gaskin ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: issue PUT html command
put sVar into url https://urbanaisrship.com/apidealaddressthing; --will accomplish a PUT and get url https://urbanaisrship.com/apidealaddressthing; --will accomplish a GET! Isn't livecode grand? On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Chris Sheffield cmsheffi...@icloud.com wrote: I'm not even sure that's the right terminology. This is kind of related to my last post about push notifications. I found a neat web site (urbanairship.com) that has a server set up for sending push notifications to mobile devices. As far as I can tell, it's free to use. I'm still researching the details. Does anyone know anything about them? Anyway, they have an html api that allows for issuing certain commands, including registering device tokens, via PUT and GET. How do I do this with LiveCode? I haven't really done much of this kind of thing before. I'm sure it's easy, and will probably be obvious, but I'm not finding anything in the docs. Can anyone help? Thanks, Chris ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe and...@ctech.me ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: issue PUT html command
Excellent! I figured it had to be easy, and I wondered if it was accomplished using the normal put and get commands, but wasn't totally sure. Thanks for the tip. I do have one more question though. In the dictionary, it says that this is a blocking operation, so if for some reason the site is not available there could be a delay while the app waits for a response. The dictionary says to use libURLftpUpload instead for a non-blocking operation. Does anyone know if this can be used in the same way to accomplish a PUT? Thanks, Chris On Feb 4, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Andrew Kluthe and...@ctech.me wrote: put sVar into url https://urbanaisrship.com/apidealaddressthing; --will accomplish a PUT and get url https://urbanaisrship.com/apidealaddressthing; --will accomplish a GET! Isn't livecode grand? On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Chris Sheffield cmsheffi...@icloud.com wrote: I'm not even sure that's the right terminology. This is kind of related to my last post about push notifications. I found a neat web site (urbanairship.com) that has a server set up for sending push notifications to mobile devices. As far as I can tell, it's free to use. I'm still researching the details. Does anyone know anything about them? Anyway, they have an html api that allows for issuing certain commands, including registering device tokens, via PUT and GET. How do I do this with LiveCode? I haven't really done much of this kind of thing before. I'm sure it's easy, and will probably be obvious, but I'm not finding anything in the docs. Can anyone help? Thanks, Chris ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe and...@ctech.me ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: issue PUT html command
I have not had much success in using libURL for put requests that are non-blocking. However, I have recently thought of taking most of my 'serious businesss' http calls to CURL. I have a libCURL library from someone somewhere (the late mark smith's?). On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Chris Sheffield cmsheffi...@icloud.com wrote: Excellent! I figured it had to be easy, and I wondered if it was accomplished using the normal put and get commands, but wasn't totally sure. Thanks for the tip. I do have one more question though. In the dictionary, it says that this is a blocking operation, so if for some reason the site is not available there could be a delay while the app waits for a response. The dictionary says to use libURLftpUpload instead for a non-blocking operation. Does anyone know if this can be used in the same way to accomplish a PUT? Thanks, Chris On Feb 4, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Andrew Kluthe and...@ctech.me wrote: put sVar into url https://urbanaisrship.com/apidealaddressthing; --will accomplish a PUT and get url https://urbanaisrship.com/apidealaddressthing; --will accomplish a GET! Isn't livecode grand? On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Chris Sheffield cmsheffi...@icloud.com wrote: I'm not even sure that's the right terminology. This is kind of related to my last post about push notifications. I found a neat web site (urbanairship.com) that has a server set up for sending push notifications to mobile devices. As far as I can tell, it's free to use. I'm still researching the details. Does anyone know anything about them? Anyway, they have an html api that allows for issuing certain commands, including registering device tokens, via PUT and GET. How do I do this with LiveCode? I haven't really done much of this kind of thing before. I'm sure it's easy, and will probably be obvious, but I'm not finding anything in the docs. Can anyone help? Thanks, Chris ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe and...@ctech.me ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe and...@ctech.me ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: mobile push notifications how-to
In response to your previous question : 1.- The client side HTTP REST POST LC-client-side app button : global DevicesList,MIAD on mouseUp beep if pm_length() = 138 then put Envoi du message Push à tous les prospects... into fld prompt set httpHeaders to Content-type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded return get url MIAD post URLEncode(authentpostkey= hexDigest(authentpostkeyvalue) message=pushdevices= DevicesList badge= trim(fld message_badge) \ title= trim(utf8encode(bslasher(fld message_title))) abstract= trim(utf8encode(bslasher(fld message_abstract \ payload= trim(utf8encode(bslasher(fld message_payload))) to URL MIAD put Aucun traitement en cours... into fld prompt else answer Erreur : votre message comporte pm_length() pour une limite APNS (Apple Push Notifications Server) supportée de 138 caractères. \ Merci de corriger votre message pour éviter qu'il ne soit automatiquement rejeté par le serveur APNS de distribution de votre message vers les devices iOS end mouseUp where DevicesList contains the iOS and Android IDs of the devices you want to push the message too (out of a server-side SQL table you need to setup and interact with in HTTP REST POST for best results), MIAD targets the http path of the mobile push.lc script (see below) and function pm_length() verifies that the push message length don't exceeds the APNS practical allowed limit. 2.- mobile push.lc : the main server-side lc script to install in the cgi-bin directory (PostIn contains the client-side HTTP REST POST DATA) : split PostIn by and = ### APNS maxi : 100 000 par envoi ### -- Apple Push Notification Server put url (file: local path to ipush.php) into tpushvar put tpushvar into tpushtmp put 0 into tcpteur repeat for each line l in PostIn[devices] if length(l) is 64 then put $devices[ tcpteur ] = ' l '; return after lesdevices add 1 to tcpteur end if end repeat replace ###devices### with $devices = Array(); return trim(lesdevices) in tpushvar replace ###title### with $title = ' PostIn[title] '; in tpushvar replace ###abstract### with $abstract = ' PostIn[abstract] '; in tpushvar replace ###payload### with $payload = ' PostIn[payload] '; in tpushvar replace ###badge### with $badge = PostIn[badge] ; in tpushvar replace ###authent### with $ck = 'path to your APNS private key'; in tpushvar replace ###passwd### with $passphrase = 'your APNS passphrase'; in tpushvar put tpushvar into url (file: local path to ipush.php) get url (http path to ipush.php) put tpushtmp into url (file: local path to ipush.php) put it into apnsreply ### GPNS maxi : 1000 par tranche envoyée ### -- Google Push Notification Server put into lesdevices put url (file: local path to apush.php) into tpushvar put tpushvar into tpushtmp repeat for each line l in PostIn[devices] if length(l) is not 64 then put setquote(l) , after lesdevices end repeat put 1 into tranchenumber put 1 into tranchestart put into devicestranche[1] if the num of items in lesdevices 1000 then repeat with c = 1 to 1+(the num of items in lesdevices div 1000) put item tranchestart to 999+tranchestart of lesdevices into devicestranche[tranchenumber] add 1 to tranchenumber add 1000 to tranchestart end repeat end if if devicestranche[1] is then replace ###devices### with char 1 to -2 of lesdevices in tpushvar replace ###title### with PostIn[title] in tpushvar replace ###abstract### with PostIn[abstract] in tpushvar replace ###payload### with PostIn[payload] in tpushvar replace ###badge### with PostIn[badge] in tpushvar replace ###authent### with yourGPNSKey in tpushvar put tpushvar into url (file: local path to apush.php) get url (http path to apush.php) put tpushtmp into url (file: local path to apush.php) return it return apnsreply else repeat with c = 1 to -1+tranchenumber replace ###devices### with devicestranche[c] in tpushvar replace ###title### with PostIn[title] in tpushvar replace ###abstract### with PostIn[abstract] in tpushvar
Re: issue PUT html command
With regard to Android/Google, depending on where the data to be sent as notifications originates, it is possible to just send the notifications from your own PC to Google's server, and Google then routes them to the devices. I would hope it would be so simple with Apple. I guess if it was that simple with Apple, Urbanairship would not exist. Bernard On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Chris Sheffield cmsheffi...@icloud.comwrote: It talks about setting up your own server, but I don't have the know-how nor the resources right now to do that. So when I found Urban Airship I was happy. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode
Kevin- Monday, February 4, 2013, 9:53:46 AM, you wrote: There will be a commercial code escrow option too, but that will be aimed at larger companies and be specific to their individual use of the platform. Yay! That should plug that loophole. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Location via WiFi on Mobile?
Anyone know if the mobileSensorReading function works for location on iOS devices through WiFi? I can't seem to get any data from the function when testing a simple stack on an iPad2 and iPod. Using this script: get mobileSensorAvailable(location) if it is false then answer Unable to use location. exit mouseUp end if -- mobileStartTrackingSensor location, true put mobileSensorReading(location, true) into geoData mobileStopTrackingSensor location answer geoData Playing around with variations of this script, I either get true or empty in the geoData variable. Am I missing something? Most every app that does anything with location works fine using WiFi on these devices, so there's no issue with service. Any suggestions? Thanks Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Location via WiFi on Mobile?
On 2/4/13 11:43 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: Anyone know if the mobileSensorReading function works for location on iOS devices through WiFi? I can't seem to get any data from the function when testing a simple stack on an iPad2 and iPod. Using this script: get mobileSensorAvailable(location) if it is false then answer Unable to use location. exit mouseUp end if -- mobileStartTrackingSensor location, true put mobileSensorReading(location, true) into geoData mobileStopTrackingSensor location answer geoData Playing around with variations of this script, I either get true or empty in the geoData variable. Am I missing something? It looks like the detailed location (what you get when you specify true in the second param) will be an array, so after getting the geoData you'd need to parse out something like geoData[latitude] or geoData[timestamp]. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Location via WiFi on Mobile?
[ forehead slap ] Doh. Thanks Jacque -- guess I wasn't reading the docs closely enough. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On 2/4/13 9:52 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: On 2/4/13 11:43 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: Anyone know if the mobileSensorReading function works for location on iOS devices through WiFi? I can't seem to get any data from the function when testing a simple stack on an iPad2 and iPod. Using this script: get mobileSensorAvailable(location) if it is false then answer Unable to use location. exit mouseUp end if -- mobileStartTrackingSensor location, true put mobileSensorReading(location, true) into geoData mobileStopTrackingSensor location answer geoData Playing around with variations of this script, I either get true or empty in the geoData variable. Am I missing something? It looks like the detailed location (what you get when you specify true in the second param) will be an array, so after getting the geoData you'd need to parse out something like geoData[latitude] or geoData[timestamp]. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Location via WiFi on Mobile?
Hmm, maybe spoke too soon. Still getting odd, inconsistent results. I thought maybe if mobileStartTrackingSensor was started using 'true' (non-accurate sources) that mobileSensorReading should be used with 'false' (not detailed). But trying each combination of booleans I still don't get a reliable result. This is weird. On a few occasions, the expected values were answered, but most of the time, I either get empty or the boolean used with mobileSensorReading in the answer dialog. Does it take time to start up location services? Is it possible that the device needs a few seconds of warm up time before it can return a meaningful result? Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On 2/4/13 9:56 PM, Scott Rossi sc...@tactilemedia.com wrote: [ forehead slap ] Doh. Thanks Jacque -- guess I wasn't reading the docs closely enough. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On 2/4/13 9:52 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: On 2/4/13 11:43 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: Anyone know if the mobileSensorReading function works for location on iOS devices through WiFi? I can't seem to get any data from the function when testing a simple stack on an iPad2 and iPod. Using this script: get mobileSensorAvailable(location) if it is false then answer Unable to use location. exit mouseUp end if -- mobileStartTrackingSensor location, true put mobileSensorReading(location, true) into geoData mobileStopTrackingSensor location answer geoData Playing around with variations of this script, I either get true or empty in the geoData variable. Am I missing something? It looks like the detailed location (what you get when you specify true in the second param) will be an array, so after getting the geoData you'd need to parse out something like geoData[latitude] or geoData[timestamp]. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Location via WiFi on Mobile?
In my experience : instant accurate calculation under iOS and, yes, need of a few seconds to get the accurate calculation under Android. Le 5 févr. 2013 à 07:40, Scott Rossi a écrit : Does it take time to start up location services? Is it possible that the device needs a few seconds of warm up time before it can return a meaningful result? -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
