date:20130906

Dear List Members

LiveCode 6.1.1-rc-5 is now available.

We expect this the be the last release candidate in the current maintenance
cycle. Details of the contents of this release can be found below.

*WARNING:* Bug 11127 which was fixed in this released involved altering
code in the stack loading and saving module. We recommend backing up your
stacks before testing RC5. We are confident we were able to apply the fix
without altering the behaviour, but with this being a sensitive part of the
LiveCode engine we would encourage all users to test the loading and saving
of their apps, feeding back if any issues are encountered.

*Upgrading*
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*Release Contents*
This release contains the following changes:
(Emboldened bugs were fixed for RC5)

Access to the current behavior object. (experimental)
Added support for reading RLE compressed BMP images
Crash setting location of image with filename set to empty
Find Malfunction in Script Editor for both */ and double-quote ()
App store submission warns about lack of push notification entitlement even
for apps not using push notifications.
57 bug fixes:
*11152 - Including iOS externals in Android projects (and vice versa)
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*11144 - Hang when trying to get chunk of formattedText of a field beyond
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*11127 - Stackfile can get corrupted when setting the colors/patterns of an
image object which is either empty, or contains RLE compressed data.*
*9 - Project Browser denies existence of existing controls! *
*0 - Menu Builder Disable Item problem. Unicode characters were not
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*10796 - HTTP get URL omits port number from HOST header *
*10669 - revUniqueID - the revUniqueID of the child controls of a group do
not get updated when the group is cloned or duplicated.*
*10108 - Thumb and scrollbar appear over top of DataGrid*
11129 - Crash when fetching the encoding or the flaggedRanges property from
the templateField.
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11108 - Crash in some circumstances when setting the hidden of a paragraph
to false.
11105 - Plugin settings refers to Revolution. This has been updated to
refer to LiveCode.
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10826 - Menu Text  Font  Size  Other... does nothing. Now asks the user
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10689 - 'the selectedChunk' returns a field reference if the field is
embedded in a combo-box.
10665 - Save this stack as syntax broken in the message box
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change in style just after a tab.
10616 - Different padding between lines causes hgrid to render incorrectly.
10445 - Sort international does not work on Android
11089 - The 'shell()' function on server does not perform end-of-line
conversion.
11084 - Conditional messages such as resizeControl are not searched for in
ancestor behaviors.
11081 - Dropper dool does not work on OSX
11080 - Android input field fontSize setting value in incorrect units
11073 - Transparency lost when saving RLE encoded images with LiveCode
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exception fetching the properties of a DataGrid
11044 - Divide by zero when calculating scrollbar thumbposition
11036 - IDE no longer exposes an AppleScript dictionary.
11025 - The PDF Printing external is not being included in Windows
Standalones.
11020 - Setting or getting custom properties from global scope crashes
server.
11017 - Handlers in library stacks and chained behaviors are cannot be
executed from the message box.
10972 - Text does not paste from PDFs loaded into Adobe Reader 9 on Mac.
10957 - The 'flaggedRanges' property can sometimes report the wrong values
in a field containing mixed unicode and non-unicode text.
10932 - Setting the flaggedRanges of a field containing Unicode text can be
very slow.
10925 - Using add/subtract/multiply/divide on a variable that has not been
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10902 - Selecting regular polygon graphic fails to update title of Property
Inspector, This was due to an error in the property list for regular
polygons which prevented the Property Inpsector updating correctly.
10893 - Copying HTML from clipboard into a text field generates
misformatted output
10883 - Nested groups can return True in sharedBehavior getter
10868 - Mobile stack saved as iOS retains iOS settings on Windows. As the

eBook Academy Set-up

2013-09-06 Thread Klaus major-k

Hi friends,

just received the new LC Newsletter and took a lolok at the eBook Academy 
Set-up page,
where I saw this script snippet:
...
on openCard
   if the environment is mobile then
  send playMobileVideo to me in 0 milliseconds
   else

   ### DESKTOP 
  play videoClip (specialfolderpath(desktop) 
/BitterRevenge/Video/Intro.mp4) 
   ### 

   end if
end openCard
...

Hm, did the new multimedia engine already find its place into the last version 
of LC and I missed it?
I highly doubt this does work on Windows this way. But I would love to be wrong 
;-)

This will work with QuickTime installed on the Win machine and when using a 
PLAYER object.
Not?


Best

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Re: eBook Academy Set-up


Hi Klaus,

Yes, QuickTime needs to be installed to play an MP4 clip. I just tried 
it in LC 5.5, on Windows 8 with QT installed. The sound played, but the 
picture didn't update. I was unable to use the stop playing command and 
the number of videoClips reported 0 :-D I guess it isn't too reliable.


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On 9/6/2013 15:02, Klaus major-k wrote:

Hi friends,

just received the new LC Newsletter and took a lolok at the eBook Academy 
Set-up page,
where I saw this script snippet:
...
on openCard
if the environment is mobile then
   send playMobileVideo to me in 0 milliseconds
else

### DESKTOP 
   play videoClip (specialfolderpath(desktop) 
/BitterRevenge/Video/Intro.mp4)
### 

end if
end openCard
...

Hm, did the new multimedia engine already find its place into the last version 
of LC and I missed it?
I highly doubt this does work on Windows this way. But I would love to be wrong 
;-)

This will work with QuickTime installed on the Win machine and when using a 
PLAYER object.
Not?


Best

Klaus
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Re: eBook Academy Set-up

2013-09-06 Thread Klaus major-k

Hi Mark,

Am 06.09.2013 um 15:17 schrieb Mark Schonewille 
m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com:

 Hi Klaus,
 
 Yes, QuickTime needs to be installed to play an MP4 clip. I just tried it in 
 LC 5.5, on Windows 8 with QT installed.
 The sound played, but the picture didn't update. I was unable to use the stop 
 playing command and the number of videoClips reported 0 :-D I guess it isn't 
 too reliable.

thanks for the confirmation, I was afraid I had missed a serious and important 
update! 8-)

On the Mac the LOC of the video was set to 0,0, but it played and couldn't be 
stopped with play stop vc!
Sigh, looks like a lot of clueless and disappointed postings on the forum in 
the next time... ;-)

 --
 Best regards,
 
 Mark Schonewille
 
 On 9/6/2013 15:02, Klaus major-k wrote:
 Hi friends,
 
 just received the new LC Newsletter and took a lolok at the eBook Academy 
 Set-up page,
 where I saw this script snippet:
 ...
 on openCard
if the environment is mobile then
   send playMobileVideo to me in 0 milliseconds
else
 
### DESKTOP 
   play videoClip (specialfolderpath(desktop) 
 /BitterRevenge/Video/Intro.mp4)
### 
 
end if
 end openCard
 ...
 
 Hm, did the new multimedia engine already find its place into the last 
 version of LC and I missed it?
 I highly doubt this does work on Windows this way. But I would love to be 
 wrong ;-)
 
 This will work with QuickTime installed on the Win machine and when using a 
 PLAYER object.
 Not?

Best

Klaus
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Re: What is the size limit for numbers in LC? -- and multiplying really large numbers

On Sep 5, 2013, at 6:11 PM, Mark Schonewille m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com 
wrote:

 Perhaps you should add some comments to your script.

What, it's not obvious? ;-) 

My first versions of this were list-based, and scaled poorly because of the 
line painter's problem (each day the paint bucket is farther away). More than 
about 300 digit numbers and the execution time exploded.

Arrays instead of lists handled about 600 digits. The complexity of 
multiplication scales roughly as the product of the lengths of the numbers, so 
600 digits vs. 300 means arrays were a 4x improvement. 

Several iterations followed, including pre-chunking the numbers, simplified 
storage of results, and most importantly, dealing with 4-digit chunks. At the 
time, I thought LC topped out at 32-bits: 2 billion. That's not a full 10 
digits, so 4x4 made sense. Chunking the numbers to generate 4 digits at a time 
multiplies around 1000 digits in a second. 

The central loop for this had several statements in it: get the product of the 
two current chunks, break the product apart, put each part in the right place, 
etc. I found that simply appending the products to a list, and then summing 
each list at the end and breaking apart, parsing, and stitching together the 
sums was about 1.5x faster. This was where my concerns about the size of the 
numbers started. As long as I was immediately breaking each chunk product apart 
to add/store, I could never overflow LC's numbers. Doing the sum all at once 
means that when multiplying two 2000-digit numbers, if they're all 9s, the sum 
will be 500** = about 50 billion. Nothing broke, so I kept going. 

I experimented with pre-calculating 2-digit products and referencing an array 
instead of multiplying over and over, but it was slower. 

Then I realized: if I calculate the final result from least significant digit 
up, I can do everything in the loop and build the actual result there. The 
trick is to consider the places of the numbers, and process all the 
intermediate products in order from smallest place to largest. So to multiply 
1234 * 5678:

The one's digit depends on 4*8.
The ten's digit depends on 3*8 and 4*7, with any carry from 4*8
The hundred's digit depends on 2*8, 3*7, and 4*6, with any carry.
Etc.

I did that, a digit at the time, and multiplied around 2500 digits in a second. 

Then I had to chunk it. 4 digits at a time, and few other bits, and here we are.

function bigTimes X,Y
 -- returns the product of any positive or negative numbers. Good to about 
20,000 digits. I'll show how it multiplies X=-1234567 and Y=234567890

-- handle negative inputs
   if char 1 of X is - then 
  put - into leadChar
  delete char 1 of X
   end if
-- X is now 1234567, and leadChar is -
   if char 1 of Y is -  then
  if leadChar is - then put empty into leadChar else put - into leadChar
  delete char 1 of Y
   end if

-- pad the numbers to a multiple of 4 digits
   put (3 + length(X)) div 4 * 4 into XL
   put char 1 to XL - length(X) of 000 before X
   put (3 + length(Y)) div 4 * 4 into YL
   put char 1 to YL - length(y) of 000 before y

-- X is now 01234567
-- Y is now 000234567890

-- start from the sum of the lengths, and go down by 4s
-- this will be 20, 16, 12, 8 because negative steps overshoot
   repeat with N = XL + YL down to 9 step -4
 -- for each value in the outer loop, loop through all the 
 -- possible positions to use for the chunk of X
 -- this chunks the numbers into 4 digits
 -- when N = 12, we will add 0123*3456 + 4567*0002
 -- to whatever the carried-over value was
  repeat with M = max(4,N - YL) to min(XL,N - 4) step 4
 -- for each chunk from X, there is only one corresponding chunk of Y
 -- this is the one line that gets it all done
 add (char M - 3 to M of X) * (char N - M - 3 to N - M of Y) to S
  end repeat
 -- 0123*3456 + 4567*0002= 434222 (pretending there was no carried value)
 -- so put 4222 before the result, and leave 43 in S as the carried value
  put char -4 to -1 of S before R
  delete char -4 to -1 of S
   end repeat
-- clean up any leading 0
   if S is 0 then put empty into S
-- return the sign of the result, remaining carried value, and the calculated 
result
   return leadChar  S  R
end bigTimes


This could be made faster by parsing into 5, 6, or 7 digit chunks, and either 
living with the size limitation of the operands, or adding back the safety 
code. Multiplying two 10,000 digit numbers in a second would be pretty tempting 
to try over the weekend.
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Re: Short Term LiveCode/RDBMS Project Help Wanted

2013-09-06 Thread Mikey _

Outstanding.  I will play with it this weekend and keep my fingers crossed.

Please ignore weird auto-corrected words, this message was sent from my iPad.

 On Sep 6, 2013, at 12:31 AM, Ruslan Zasukhin 
 ruslan_zasuk...@valentina-db.com wrote:

 On 9/5/13 8:11 PM, Mike Kerner mikeker...@roadrunner.com wrote:

 Dang, all of that brings back memories - so what is everyone using to build
 reports in LC since RDP is (obviously) dead?  So far I haven't been able to
 do everything I want to do in Valentina

 Hi Mike,
 Hi Andrew,

 You talk here about Valentina Reports?

 Well, we spending last 2 weeks preparing our own online examples.
 We going to spend in this area yet may be a month.

 We have prepared already few projects with many different reports,
 Against mySQL, postgreSQL, Valentina Server.
 We have prepare online server with all this DB servers and dbs.

 You can look right now what we have got ...
 In 2-3 hours we will update ALL_CONTROLS example here.

 http://www.valentina-db.com/docs/dokuwiki/v5/doku.php?id=valentina:vcompone
 nts:vreport:demos:demos


 2) Universal Report example, we have implement so far using PHP and
 Xojo/REALbasic Web App.


 TODAY we going add online example on JAVA.
 Yes, we finishing Valentina for Java ADK  (db + reports).

 Example is ready, now we need just install tomcat to online server and drop
 there this example also.


 3) We going to make ALL_CONTROLS example to be very reach on features
 demonstration.

 So guys, we will be happy to hear WHAT YOU WANT?
 And we will try show this in this example as feature.

 Of course may happens that feature really missing,
 Than we will put it on TODO list.


 4) NEWS: we have start add new datasources to Valentina Reports:
* MS SQL/Sybase
* Oracle/DB2

 Later these dbs will be added into Valentina Studo as plugins also.


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Re: eBook Academy Set-up

2013-09-06 Thread Neil Roger


Hi Klaus et al.

No new multimedia engine yet :) This code snippet does require that 
QuickTime player be installed.


We do have a list of all the project we are working on here

http://livecode.com/community/roadmap/

Multimedia is currently in the queued section.

Kind Regards,

Neil Roger
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This code snippet still required Quicktime to be installed.
On 06/09/2013 14:02, Klaus major-k wrote:

Hi friends,

just received the new LC Newsletter and took a lolok at the eBook Academy 
Set-up page,
where I saw this script snippet:
...
on openCard
if the environment is mobile then
   send playMobileVideo to me in 0 milliseconds
else

### DESKTOP 
   play videoClip (specialfolderpath(desktop) 
/BitterRevenge/Video/Intro.mp4)
### 

end if
end openCard
...

Hm, did the new multimedia engine already find its place into the last version 
of LC and I missed it?
I highly doubt this does work on Windows this way. But I would love to be wrong 
;-)

This will work with QuickTime installed on the Win machine and when using a 
PLAYER object.
Not?


Best

Klaus
--
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http://www.major-k.de
kl...@major-k.de


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Re: eBook Academy Set-up

2013-09-06 Thread Klaus major-k

Hi Neil,

Am 06.09.2013 um 16:29 schrieb Neil Roger n...@runrev.com:

 Hi Klaus et al.
 
 No new multimedia engine yet :) This code snippet does require that 
 QuickTime player be installed.
 We do have a list of all the project we are working on here
 http://livecode.com/community/roadmap/
 Multimedia is currently in the queued section.

I know this, Neil, but that is not the point!

It just does not work on the desktop (with or without QuickTIme) this way!

MP4 is NOT supported with PLAY VC xy at least not on WIndows and it does not 
works
as exspected on a Mac, too! 

Please try it by yourself! Do it, please!

 Kind Regards,
 
 Neil Roger

Best

Klaus

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Re: eBook Academy Set-up

Neil,

Just in case it makes a difference, I'd like to assert that Klaus is right. I 
tested it and the results are at least (or maybe at most) dubious on Windows 8.

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On 6 sep 2013, at 16:31, Klaus major-k wrote:

 Hi Neil,
 
 Am 06.09.2013 um 16:29 schrieb Neil Roger n...@runrev.com:
 
 Hi Klaus et al.
 
 No new multimedia engine yet :) This code snippet does require that 
 QuickTime player be installed.
 We do have a list of all the project we are working on here
 http://livecode.com/community/roadmap/
 Multimedia is currently in the queued section.
 
 I know this, Neil, but that is not the point!
 
 It just does not work on the desktop (with or without QuickTIme) this way!
 
 MP4 is NOT supported with PLAY VC xy at least not on WIndows and it does 
 not works
 as exspected on a Mac, too! 
 
 Please try it by yourself! Do it, please!
 
 Kind Regards,
 
 Neil Roger
 
 Best
 
 Klaus
 
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 http://www.major-k.de
 kl...@major-k.de
 
 
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Re: RELEASE LiveCode 6.1.1 RC5

2013-09-06 Thread Roger Eller

Ben,

Thank you for the announcement, and for the stack open/save warning.  Have
a great weekend.

~Roger
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Re: eBook Academy Set-up

2013-09-06 Thread Neil Roger


Hi Mark,

This sounds like a possible bug as the videos I replied with previously 
show the code snippet running on Windows 7 and Mac OSX 10.8


http://techsupport.on-rev.com/test/windows.mp4
http://techsupport.on-rev.com/test/mac.mp4

If possible, could you submit a bug report with our quality control team 
on the issue and we will be happy to investigate it further.


Kind Regards,

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On 06/09/2013 15:37, Mark Schonewille wrote:

Neil,

Just in case it makes a difference, I'd like to assert that Klaus is right. I 
tested it and the results are at least (or maybe at most) dubious on Windows 8.

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On 6 sep 2013, at 16:31, Klaus major-k wrote:


Hi Neil,

Am 06.09.2013 um 16:29 schrieb Neil Roger n...@runrev.com:


Hi Klaus et al.

No new multimedia engine yet :) This code snippet does require that 
QuickTime player be installed.
We do have a list of all the project we are working on here
http://livecode.com/community/roadmap/
Multimedia is currently in the queued section.

I know this, Neil, but that is not the point!

It just does not work on the desktop (with or without QuickTIme) this way!

MP4 is NOT supported with PLAY VC xy at least not on WIndows and it does not 
works
as exspected on a Mac, too!

Please try it by yourself! Do it, please!


Kind Regards,

Neil Roger

Best

Klaus

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Re: eBook Academy Set-up

Neil,

I was able to pay the two MP4 movies you just linked. I was unable to play 
another movie that I happened to have on my computer. I try to figure out 
what's going on here and will let you know.

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On 6 sep 2013, at 17:27, Neil Roger wrote:

 Hi Mark,
 
 This sounds like a possible bug as the videos I replied with previously show 
 the code snippet running on Windows 7 and Mac OSX 10.8
 
 http://techsupport.on-rev.com/test/windows.mp4
 http://techsupport.on-rev.com/test/mac.mp4
 
 If possible, could you submit a bug report with our quality control team on 
 the issue and we will be happy to investigate it further.
 
 Kind Regards,
 
 Neil Roger
 --
 RunRev Support Team ~ http://www.runrev.com
 --
 
 On 06/09/2013 15:37, Mark Schonewille wrote:
 Neil,
 
 Just in case it makes a difference, I'd like to assert that Klaus is right. 
 I tested it and the results are at least (or maybe at most) dubious on 
 Windows 8.
 
 --
 Best regards,
 
 Mark Schonewille
 
 Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
 Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
 Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
 KvK: 50277553
 
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 spaces. http://www.color-converter.com
 
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 On 6 sep 2013, at 16:31, Klaus major-k wrote:
 
 Hi Neil,
 
 Am 06.09.2013 um 16:29 schrieb Neil Roger n...@runrev.com:
 
 Hi Klaus et al.
 
 No new multimedia engine yet :) This code snippet does require that 
 QuickTime player be installed.
 We do have a list of all the project we are working on here
 http://livecode.com/community/roadmap/
 Multimedia is currently in the queued section.
 I know this, Neil, but that is not the point!
 
 It just does not work on the desktop (with or without QuickTIme) this way!
 
 MP4 is NOT supported with PLAY VC xy at least not on WIndows and it does 
 not works
 as exspected on a Mac, too!
 
 Please try it by yourself! Do it, please!
 
 Kind Regards,
 
 Neil Roger
 Best
 
 Klaus
 
 --
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 http://www.major-k.de
 kl...@major-k.de
 
 
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Re: eBook Academy Set-up

2013-09-06 Thread Neil Roger


Hi Klaus,

I made sure to test the playback of mp4 files when creating the ebook 
academy, with the play videoClip command on both mac and windows and 
could do so without any issues.


Please see the below video that a sample mp4 file working as expected.

http://techsupport.on-rev.com/test/windows.mp4
http://techsupport.on-rev.com/test/mac.mp4

Is this not what you experience?

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On 06/09/2013 15:31, Klaus major-k wrote:

Hi Neil,

Am 06.09.2013 um 16:29 schrieb Neil Roger n...@runrev.com:


Hi Klaus et al.

No new multimedia engine yet :) This code snippet does require that 
QuickTime player be installed.
We do have a list of all the project we are working on here
http://livecode.com/community/roadmap/
Multimedia is currently in the queued section.

I know this, Neil, but that is not the point!

It just does not work on the desktop (with or without QuickTIme) this way!

MP4 is NOT supported with PLAY VC xy at least not on WIndows and it does not 
works
as exspected on a Mac, too!

Please try it by yourself! Do it, please!


Kind Regards,

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Re: Short Term LiveCode/RDBMS Project Help Wanted

2013-09-06 Thread Ruslan Zasukhin

On 9/6/13 4:38 PM, Mikey _ mikeyt...@gmail.com wrote:

 Outstanding.  I will play with it this weekend and keep my fingers crossed.
 
 4) NEWS: we have start add new datasources to Valentina Reports:
* MS SQL/Sybase
* Oracle/DB2

Btw, important to note, that

* these dbs can be accessed and right now, but by ODBC

* we have start ingrate access by NATIVE protocol for this dbs.

* MS SQL will work on mac and linux also.
  On MAC it is already in our SVN :-)
 Right now developers polish windows projects, then linux.
 
* Oracle itself is cross-paltform, so of course also will work for 3 OS.


 Later these dbs will be added into Valentina Studo as plugins also.

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Re: eBook Academy Set-up


Neil,

I forgot to mention this. Although I can play the movie, I do see what 
Klaus sees: only the bottom-right quarter of the movie is visible.


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On 9/6/2013 17:27, Neil Roger wrote:

Hi Mark,

This sounds like a possible bug as the videos I replied with previously
show the code snippet running on Windows 7 and Mac OSX 10.8

http://techsupport.on-rev.com/test/windows.mp4
http://techsupport.on-rev.com/test/mac.mp4

If possible, could you submit a bug report with our quality control team
on the issue and we will be happy to investigate it further.

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On 06/09/2013 15:37, Mark Schonewille wrote:

Neil,

Just in case it makes a difference, I'd like to assert that Klaus is
right. I tested it and the results are at least (or maybe at most)
dubious on Windows 8.

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On 6 sep 2013, at 16:31, Klaus major-k wrote:


Hi Neil,

Am 06.09.2013 um 16:29 schrieb Neil Roger n...@runrev.com:


Hi Klaus et al.

No new multimedia engine yet :) This code snippet does require
that QuickTime player be installed.
We do have a list of all the project we are working on here
http://livecode.com/community/roadmap/
Multimedia is currently in the queued section.

I know this, Neil, but that is not the point!

It just does not work on the desktop (with or without QuickTIme) this
way!

MP4 is NOT supported with PLAY VC xy at least not on WIndows and it
does not works
as exspected on a Mac, too!

Please try it by yourself! Do it, please!


Kind Regards,

Neil Roger

Best

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Re: RELEASE WARNING: LiveCode 6.1.1 RC5

Dear List Members,

Sean Cole kindly provided a stack that demonstrates the problem. We're
working to resolve the issue and produce an RC6 build.

Warm regards,

Ben


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 We have left the version up for download for those who are wanting to test
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 We would really appreciate the community helping us iron out the issue.
 You can do this by opening your stacks and if they corrupt after being
 saved, send the source stack to us. We'll use these to track down the
 problem before releasing an RC6.

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Re: RELEASE WARNING: LiveCode 6.1.1 RC5

Dear List Members,

We've tracked down the cause of the stack corruption issue with 6.1.1 RC5.
Thank you to Sean Cole for testing our build so quickly and reporting the
issue. We have now applied a fix but plan to wait until Monday to put out
an RC6 build. We'd like to ensure that the fix has resolved the issue
completely.

Warm regards and have a great weekend.

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 Warm regards,

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 We have left the version up for download for those who are wanting to
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 We would really appreciate the community helping us iron out the issue.
 You can do this by opening your stacks and if they corrupt after being
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RELEASE WARNING: LiveCode 6.1.1 RC5

Dear List Members,

We have just pulled LiveCode 6.1.1 RC5 from the auto-update process. We had
a report that the changes made to fix a bug have caused stacks to be
corrupted when saving and then reloading. We suspect it will be in specific
cases but advise caution when using RC5.

We have left the version up for download for those who are wanting to test
specific fixes in the release and we advise all users to use BACKUPS of
their stacks for testing purposes.

We would really appreciate the community helping us iron out the issue. You
can do this by opening your stacks and if they corrupt after being saved,
send the source stack to us. We'll use these to track down the problem
before releasing an RC6.

Warm regards,

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[OT] Bitbucket Livecode Language Support

2013-09-06 Thread Pascal Lehner

Hi all,

Just wanted to let you know that I raised a ticket with bitbucket asking
them to add livecode (community) as a supported language. If they accept my
request, bitbucket should be able to do DIFF and other fun stuff with
.livecode files and display the scripts instead of cannot display binary
file.

Here is the ticket:
https://bitbucket.org/site/master/issue/8046/please-add-livecode-language-support

Have a nice weekend,

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Re: [on-rev] Problem with revIgniter on DIESEL - any clue!?

2013-09-06 Thread Phil Davis



On 9/6/13 10:31 AM, Robert Mann wrote:

1) what kind of server is diesel :: is it a mac os x? what version of OS X?



I manage an account on diesel. When I SSH into it, I see this info:

CentOS release 6.4 (Final)
Linux diesel.on-rev.com 3.8.13--grs-ipv6-64 #3 SMP Fri May 31 
13:26:19 CEST 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux


server: 349186
hostname  : diesel.on-rev.com
eth0 IPv4 : 46.105.105.217
eth0 IPv6 : 2001:41d0:2:d8d9::1/64

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[on-rev] Problem with revIgniter on DIESEL - any clue!?

2013-09-06 Thread Robert Mann

My revIgniter sites throw an error related to file paths since the last few
last days.
I have looked in revIgniter files to identify the problem. Checked the
confif files were OK.
Could find no clue except this possible bug 9869 *depending on the server
version*.

I asked david at on-rev support to check these question and am still waiting
although I really would need these sites to run for tomorrow saterday!!!

If anybody has experiences the same kind of problem please do tell me. It
would be surprising that they installed a different version of rev server
just for my account if that turned out to be the culprit.

the Syndrom is an error message with a really wrong path like :

file /home/rman/public_html/groovyarch.com/index.irev
row 53, col 1: include: could not find file
(/home/rman/public_html/revIgniter/system/revigniter/../revIgniter/system/revigniter/Common.irev)
file
/home/rman/public_html/groovyarch.com/../revIgniter/system/revigniter/RevIgniter.irev

It seems that revIgniter is not getting the same file and path information
as used to be
the full path /home/rman/public_html/groovyarch.com/ is added in the front
hence the problem.

and this happens at the start of the operation prior to reading the actual
web application.

possible source ::
There is a bug (9869) in LiveCode Server confirmed by RunRev. LiveCode
Server versions
4.6.3 up to 5.0.2 have two incorrect path environment variables on Lion and
Mountain
Lion. These variables are:

$_SERVER[\PATH_TRANSLATED\]
$_SERVER[\PATH_INFO\]
As revIgniter is heavily dependent on path variables this means that there
is no way
to run revIgniter using the said OS / server versions.
Note: This issue is fixed in LiveCode Server release: 6.0.0-rc-1.

so questions pending :
0) when has my account being transferred from odin to diesel? And if not
recently, if
the server has been transferred to another ISP lately?

1) what kind of server is diesel :: is it a mac os x? what version of OS X?

2) if mac os X with LION or MOUNTAIN LION :: WHAT VERSION of live code
server is
running on diesel :: there was a bug in previous versions on mac os x
servers.

3) if that is positive, then cure the problem by installing latest live code
server 6
that fixes that issue.

If any of you guys had any part of that info.. please do forward, thanks!

good day,
Robert

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Re: What is the size limit for numbers in LC? -- and multiplying really large numbers

2013-09-06 Thread Mark Wieder

Geoff-

Friday, September 6, 2013, 12:05:22 PM, you wrote:

 Okay, now it's chunking by 7, and checking/avoiding overflows. This little
 baby will multiply two 7,000 digit random numbers in right around a second
 on my machine. Woot! If anyone sees further optimizations let me know.

At first glance that seems impressive, but do you have unit tests for
this? If they're big random numbers, how do you know the answer is
right?

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Re: What is the size limit for numbers in LC? -- and multiplying really large numbers

Okay, now it's chunking by 7, and checking/avoiding overflows. This little
baby will multiply two 7,000 digit random numbers in right around a second
on my machine. Woot! If anyone sees further optimizations let me know.

For fun I wrote a factorial using bigTimesN7 -- bigFact(1100) comes out at
2577 digits in under a second.

Also just for laughs, I wrote a quick test to see if the size of X vs. Y
affects the speed, and it looks neutral.

function bigTimesN7 X,Y
   if char 1 of X is - then
  put - into leadChar
  delete char 1 of X
   end if
   if char 1 of Y is -  then
  if leadChar is - then put empty into leadChar else put - into
leadChar
  delete char 1 of Y
   end if
   put (6 + length(X)) div 7 * 7 into XL
   put char 1 to XL - length(X) of 00 before X
   put (6 + length(Y)) div 7 * 7 into YL
   put char 1 to YL - length(y) of 00 before y
   repeat with N = XL + YL down to 15 step -7
  repeat with M = max(7,N - YL) to min(XL,N - 7) step 7
 add (char M - 6 to M of X) * (char N - M - 6 to N - M of Y) to S
 if S  9001997 then
add char -20 to -8 of S to Scarry
delete char -20 to -8 of S
 end if
  end repeat
  put char -7 to -1 of S before R
  add char -20 to -8 of S to Scarry
  put char -7 to -1 of Scarry into S
  delete char -7 to -1 of Scarry
   end repeat
   put Scarry before S
   if S is 0 then put empty into S
   return leadChar  S  R
end bigTimesN7




On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Geoff Canyon gcan...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sep 5, 2013, at 6:11 PM, Mark Schonewille 
 m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com wrote:

  Perhaps you should add some comments to your script.

 What, it's not obvious? ;-)

 My first versions of this were list-based, and scaled poorly because of
 the line painter's problem (each day the paint bucket is farther away).
 More than about 300 digit numbers and the execution time exploded.

 Arrays instead of lists handled about 600 digits. The complexity of
 multiplication scales roughly as the product of the lengths of the numbers,
 so 600 digits vs. 300 means arrays were a 4x improvement.

 Several iterations followed, including pre-chunking the numbers,
 simplified storage of results, and most importantly, dealing with 4-digit
 chunks. At the time, I thought LC topped out at 32-bits: 2 billion. That's
 not a full 10 digits, so 4x4 made sense. Chunking the numbers to generate 4
 digits at a time multiplies around 1000 digits in a second.

 The central loop for this had several statements in it: get the product of
 the two current chunks, break the product apart, put each part in the right
 place, etc. I found that simply appending the products to a list, and then
 summing each list at the end and breaking apart, parsing, and stitching
 together the sums was about 1.5x faster. This was where my concerns about
 the size of the numbers started. As long as I was immediately breaking each
 chunk product apart to add/store, I could never overflow LC's numbers.
 Doing the sum all at once means that when multiplying two 2000-digit
 numbers, if they're all 9s, the sum will be 500** = about 50
 billion. Nothing broke, so I kept going.

 I experimented with pre-calculating 2-digit products and referencing an
 array instead of multiplying over and over, but it was slower.

 Then I realized: if I calculate the final result from least significant
 digit up, I can do everything in the loop and build the actual result
 there. The trick is to consider the places of the numbers, and process all
 the intermediate products in order from smallest place to largest. So to
 multiply 1234 * 5678:

 The one's digit depends on 4*8.
 The ten's digit depends on 3*8 and 4*7, with any carry from 4*8
 The hundred's digit depends on 2*8, 3*7, and 4*6, with any carry.
 Etc.

 I did that, a digit at the time, and multiplied around 2500 digits in a
 second.

 Then I had to chunk it. 4 digits at a time, and few other bits, and here
 we are.

 function bigTimes X,Y
  -- returns the product of any positive or negative numbers. Good to about
 20,000 digits. I'll show how it multiplies X=-1234567 and Y=234567890

 -- handle negative inputs
if char 1 of X is - then
   put - into leadChar
   delete char 1 of X
end if
 -- X is now 1234567, and leadChar is -
if char 1 of Y is -  then
   if leadChar is - then put empty into leadChar else put - into
 leadChar
   delete char 1 of Y
end if

 -- pad the numbers to a multiple of 4 digits
put (3 + length(X)) div 4 * 4 into XL
put char 1 to XL - length(X) of 000 before X
put (3 + length(Y)) div 4 * 4 into YL
put char 1 to YL - length(y) of 000 before y

 -- X is now 01234567
 -- Y is now 000234567890

 -- start from the sum of the lengths, and go down by 4s
 -- this will be 20, 16, 12, 8 because negative steps overshoot
repeat with N = XL + YL down to 9 step -4
  -- for each value in the outer loop, loop through all the

Re: [on-rev] Problem with revIgniter on DIESEL - any clue!?

2013-09-06 Thread stephen barncard

64 bit !


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Phil Davis rev...@pdslabs.net wrote:


 On 9/6/13 10:31 AM, Robert Mann wrote:

 1) what kind of server is diesel :: is it a mac os x? what version of OS
 X?


 I manage an account on diesel. When I SSH into it, I see this info:

 CentOS release 6.4 (Final)
 Linux diesel.on-rev.com 3.8.13--grs-ipv6-64 #3 SMP Fri May 31
 13:26:19 CEST 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

 server: 349186
 hostname  : diesel.on-rev.com
 eth0 IPv4 : 46.105.105.217
 eth0 IPv6 : 2001:41d0:2:d8d9::1/64

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Re: [OT] Bitbucket Livecode Language Support

2013-09-06 Thread Monte Goulding


On 07/09/2013, at 2:58 AM, Pascal Lehner tat...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just wanted to let you know that I raised a ticket with bitbucket asking
 them to add livecode (community) as a supported language. If they accept my
 request, bitbucket should be able to do DIFF and other fun stuff with
 .livecode files and display the scripts instead of cannot display binary
 file.
 
 Here is the ticket:
 https://bitbucket.org/site/master/issue/8046/please-add-livecode-language-support


Do Atlassian have a history of doing enormous amounts of work to develop diff 
and three way merge tools on proprietary file formats for obscure languages? I 
suspect not... 

The good news is lcVCS is progressing nicely to the point that Trevor is 
prepared to entrust Clarify to it:
http://github.com/montegoulding/lcVCS

Using lcVCS on a BitBucket or GitHub repo you will see the diffs etc like you 
want and also merge which is the whole reason I started the project.

Cheers

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Re: What is the size limit for numbers in LC? -- and multiplying really large numbers

...and both J and bigFact (my LC function) agree that 130! is:

64668554892204736725073043955364852531553594478280496089759523229447819611855261655127070472292684529256839692403980271491207400740421058447377477994593100296357809917746129838031509651456


And for a third source, bigFact and the page at
http://www.nitrxgen.net/factorialcalc.php agree that 1000! is:

4023872600770937735437024339230039857193748642107146325437999104299385123986290205920442084869694048004799886101971960586316668729948085589013238296699445909974245040870737599188236277271887325197795059509952761208749754624970436014182780946464962910563938874378864873371191810458257836478499770124766328898359557354325131853239584630755574091142624174743493475534286465766116677973966688202912073791438537195882498081268678383745597317461360853795345242215865932019280908782973084313928444032812315586110369768013573042161687476096758713483120254785893207671691324484262361314125087802080002616831510273418279777047846358681701643650241536913982812648102130927612448963599287051149649754199093422215668325720808213331861168115536158365469840467089756029009505376164758477284218896796462449451607653534081989013854424879849599533191017233660213945039973628075013783761530712776192684903435262520001588853514733161170210396817592151090778801939317811419454525722386554146106289218796022383897147
 
60885062768629671466746975629112340824392081601537808898939645182632436716167621791689097799119037540312746222899880051951428201218736174599264295658174662830295557029902432415318161721046583203678690611726015878352075151628422554026517048330422614397428693306169089796848259012545832716822645806652676995865268227280707578139185817888965220816434834482599326604336766017699961283186078838615027946595513115655203609398818061213855860030143569452722420634463179746059468257310379008402443243846565724501440282188525247093519062092902313649327349756551395872055965422874977401141334696271542284586237738753823048386568897646192738381490014076731044664025989949021765904339901886018566526485061799702356193897017860040811889729918311021171229845901641921068884387121855646124960798722908519296819372388642614839657382291123125024186649353143970137428531926649875337218940694281434118520158014123344828015051399694290153483077644569099073152433278288269864602789864321139083506217095002597389
 
8635542771967428222487575867657523442202075736305694988250879689281627538488633969099598262809561214509948717012445164612603790293091208890869420285106401821543994571568059418727489980942547421735824010636774045957417851608292301353580818400969963725242305608559037006242712434169090041536901059339838357779394109700277534720
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