On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Richard Gaskin
ambassa...@fourthworld.comwrote:
If the final output is going to disk, you may find that opening the output
file for append yields what I believe is the fastest write mode (CouchDB
and some others are append-only). Perhaps buffering some of the
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote:
Does put after always make an extra copy? Can you get to myVariable
by reference and avoid the extra copy?
I'm pretty sure put after does not make a copy. It does have to find the
end of the string in order to append
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 3:20 PM, FlexibleLearning.com
ad...@flexiblelearning.com wrote:
Is 'put something BEFORE myVariable' quicker? That way, the engine
doesn't
have to track to the end each time.
Definitely not -- it may not have to find the end, but it has to shove the
whole string
Geoff-
Friday, September 13, 2013, 11:01:56 PM, you wrote:
I'm pretty sure put after does not make a copy. It does have to find the
end of the string in order to append to it. I did timings, I'll post the
results in a minute...
Nonetheless, the solution I posted using a variable by reference
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 6:06 PM, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote:
OTOH, this scales linearly and is faster than before, after, or
into: on a half-fast dual-core linux box I get 103 ticks for a
million iterations. Even with the overhead of the handler call, it
looks like this avoids
Geoff-
Friday, September 13, 2013, 11:41:54 PM, you wrote:
tl;dr: use put after, and don't use variables to work with more than about
100mb unless you have no choice.
Wow! Great benchmarking there. Thanks for doing the heavy lifting.
before
put xx before R
putting a
Geoff-
Friday, September 13, 2013, 11:52:56 PM, you wrote:
Can you post your code? I didn't see that. Here's mine for the two tests I
did, and a simple put after looks 50% faster (90mb vs. 60mb):
Here's mine again, but I like your benchmarks. I did this with a
single repeat loop rather than
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 10:46 PM, Geoff Canyon gcan...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd create
two fields, and hide one of them. If that one is called V for value, and
the visible one is D for display, then putting this in the script for V:
or for easier management, create and use a custom property of
On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 2:42 AM, stephen barncard
stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote:
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 10:46 PM, Geoff Canyon gcan...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd create
two fields, and hide one of them. If that one is called V for value, and
the visible one is D for display, then
Hello,
If there are any experts in 301 redirect using regex, please answer off-list.
I have several urls of this kind :
http://www.mydomain.com/foo.php?someName_someCode
that I need to permanently redirect to something like :
http://www.mydomain.com/?foo_someName_someCode
There are actually
I am making progress on this :
when I use
RewriteRule ^foo.php(.*)$ http://www.mydomain.com/?foo_$1 [R=301]
http://www.mydomain.com/foo.phpName is redirected to
http://www.mydomain.com/?foo_Name
BUT
http://www.mydomain.com/foo.php?Name is redirected to
http://www.mydomain.com/?foo_
apparently
Geoff.
If you simply enter $50 in an excel cell and then add that cell plus 3 to
another cell, it works fine. No explicit currency formatting needed. I think
you said this. Excel has this knowledge built-in, Try it with #50. But that
only means that Excel understands the $ sign, helping the
On Sep 14, 2013 3:03 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:
I think with proper engine optimization, before should be the
fastest option... all that's necessary..
WARNING: NAIVE OUTLOOK FOLLOWS.
I am fascinated by the benchmarking scripts you have devised, but if the
destinations are the same, why in the
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 5:47 PM, J. Landman Gay
jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote:
A field with shared text will not keep its text when it is copied or placed on
another card, presumably because each card has its own text. A field
without shared text will carry its text with it.
Thank you--but is
Mark Wieder wrote:
Here's mine again, but I like your benchmarks. I did this with a
single repeat loop rather than your nested one, but otherwise I think
we're testing the same thing. I didn't stress-test this the way you
did with large data clumps, so I think I'd trust your conclusions for
jbv wrote:
I have several urls of this kind :
http://www.mydomain.com/foo.php?someName_someCode
that I need to permanently redirect to something like :
http://www.mydomain.com/?foo_someName_someCode
There are actually thousands of urls in which someName_someCode
is different, and I have
dunbarx wrote:
If you simply enter $50 in an excel cell and then add that cell
plus 3 to another cell, it works fine. No explicit currency
formatting needed. I think you said this. Excel has this knowledge
built-in, Try it with #50. But that only means that Excel
understands the $ sign,
Hi Richard
Frankly I was surprised that LC did not recognize commas and money symbols.
This is a standard thing in almost any software that has numbers being
used? I would think it could be added to the object inspector to set the
money settings, and maybe still treat the field as a string for
Roger Eller wrote:
I am fascinated by the benchmarking scripts you have devised, but
if the destinations are the same, why in the world would someone
purposefully choose the moped to get there, especially when the
jet plane is available?
It's hard to find parking for a jet. :)
Mopeds,
Vaughn Clement wrote:
Frankly I was surprised that LC did not recognize commas and money
symbols. This is a standard thing in almost any software that has
numbers being used? I would think it could be added to the object
inspector to set the money settings, and maybe still treat the field
On Sep 14, 2013 12:55 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Roger Eller wrote:
I am fascinated by the benchmarking scripts you have devised, but
if the destinations are the same, why in the world would someone
purposefully choose the moped to get there, especially when the
jet plane is available?
Hi Richard
So you see the value in having the scripting, and you see the capability is
there to add the script elements today, then it should be a challenge of
some degree to have it made know it is needed.
I proposed yesterday to add a Cloud app My Codebook Pro v12 to be
available for free to
On 9/14/13 10:06 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 5:47 PM, J. Landman Gay
jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote:
A field with shared text will not keep its text when it is copied or placed on
another card, presumably because each card has its own text. A field
without shared text will
Roger-
Saturday, September 14, 2013, 7:31:48 AM, you wrote:
I said this is a naive view, but my vision of LiveCode is that it can be
more efficient by being smarter at the core. Many developers prefer
absolute control, i.e. regular expressions, arrays, etc. but others want a
human syntax to
Yeah. My latest thoughts on the subject would be having assistive tools in
the IDE.
~Roger
On Sep 14, 2013 1:58 PM, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote:
Roger-
Saturday, September 14, 2013, 7:31:48 AM, you wrote:
I said this is a naive view, but my vision of LiveCode is that it can
This is weird. I have an app that was running on a device, with APNS
enabled. I asked it to return mobileGetDeviceToken, and it returned
empty. I checked the push settings for the app, they were ok. I tried
recompiling the app, no joy.
Finally I uninstalled the app and reinstalled the same
Richard-
Saturday, September 14, 2013, 8:06:43 AM, you wrote:
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 5:47 PM, J. Landman Gay
jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote:
A field with shared text will not keep its text when it is copied or placed
on
another card, presumably because each card has its own text. A field
On 9/14/13 11:55 AM, Vaughn Clement wrote:
Hi Richard
Frankly I was surprised that LC did not recognize commas and money symbols.
This is a standard thing in almost any software that has numbers being
used? I would think it could be added to the object inspector to set the
money settings, and
I once had a notion to write a sort of simple expert system which
would analyze scripts according to the rules I look for when doing code
review manually, and offer suggestions for rewriting things it finds
which can be better optimized.
But the more I thought about it I quickly realized it's
yes of course, but that's not the point : there are thousands of links
that have
already been visited by googlebots and on the site upgrade that is about to
be put online, all these links will be changed from
mydomain.com/foo.php?someName_someCode
to
mydomain.com/?foo_someName_someCode
and we
Vaughn Clement wrote:
I proposed yesterday to add a Cloud app My Codebook Pro v12 to be
available for free to any LC user/s. Here this kind of script can be
offered and amended by other developers to allow all users to benefit from
the code. So far I have not heard any conversation pro or con
On 9/14/13 12:48 PM, Vaughn Clement wrote:
I proposed yesterday to add a Cloud app My Codebook Pro v12 to be
available for free to any LC user/s. Here this kind of script can be
offered and amended by other developers to allow all users to benefit from
the code. So far I have not heard any
Hi J. Gay
I see your point about possible damage. But consider the current effort to
autosize screens to manage the Android device apps. Would this cause the
same problems as your describing for legacy apps? I am starting to see a
trend in the conversation in the How To email that is out to
I had hoped to address that point, but perhaps I'd just misunderstood
what's needed.
What I was proposing was for requests to be handled in the CGI
dynamically, so the older format would be translated to the new on
on-the-fly as requests come in. If there's no .php? in the request
then the
If I might add a comment here. I believe Vaughn said he was working with
database applications. If so, the trick is to do all the calculations
using the data returned from the database rather than the data displayed in
the fields,
That doesn't address the issue of formatting numbers as currency
Hi Ken
I am really surprised by the depth of content that is out there to support
LiveCode. As someone who has only 2 months of using LiveCode the subject
matter keeps turning up every day. I just opened the links to see what they
offer and it looks interesting. GMANE was the one that instantly
Richard-
Saturday, September 14, 2013, 11:14:43 AM, you wrote:
I think of myself as being only reasonably bright, certainly replaceable
with a well-written script, but there are things even simple-minded
humans do cognitively that seem easy but are very difficult to transfer
to a machine
Vaughn-
Saturday, September 14, 2013, 11:48:54 AM, you wrote:
I am really surprised by the depth of content that is out there to support
LiveCode. As someone who has only 2 months of using LiveCode the subject
matter keeps turning up every day. I just opened the links to see what they
offer
Vaughn Clement wrote:
I see your point about possible damage. But consider the current effort to
autosize screens to manage the Android device apps. Would this cause the
same problems as your describing for legacy apps?
I believe the way resolution independence is designed in v6.5dp forward
Vaughn-
Saturday, September 14, 2013, 10:48:20 AM, you wrote:
I proposed yesterday to add a Cloud app My Codebook Pro v12 to be
available for free to any LC user/s. Here this kind of script can be
offered and amended by other developers to allow all users to benefit from
the code. So far I
Vaughn-
Saturday, September 14, 2013, 11:48:54 AM, you wrote:
Just a note: I received a reply today the included a stack all about using
numbers. WOW, made me feel like I have a mountain to climb.
Jacque has put forth the idea that there's about a six-week learning
curve, and that seems about
Mark Wieder wrote:
Coming soon: the singularity...
http://is-movie.com/
Nice!
And it has the trait I like in good story-telling: the coolest dude is
over 50, while the 20-something guy doesn't have the experience to know
not to use a single lock for his bicycle. ;)
--
Richard Gaskin
Richard-
Saturday, September 14, 2013, 12:11:33 PM, you wrote:
It can get much better - lots of room for improvement. And with the new
open syntax initiative (something only REBOL ever achieved among
scripting languages, far beyond HC's wildest dreams) , we can expect a
lot of powerful new
On 9/14/13 1:34 PM, Vaughn Clement wrote:
Hi J. Gay
I see your point about possible damage. But consider the current effort to
autosize screens to manage the Android device apps. Would this cause the
same problems as your describing for legacy apps?
No, because the old methods will still
Mark-
Saturday, September 14, 2013, 12:18:20 PM, you wrote:
Richard-
Saturday, September 14, 2013, 12:11:33 PM, you wrote:
It can get much better - lots of room for improvement. And with the new
open syntax initiative (something only REBOL ever achieved among
scripting languages, far
But if there were an IDE feature which allowed the engine to use it's best
judgment with built-in timing feedback, it could help us choose. Perhaps
an expert -vs- auto-pilot flag on repeat structures.
I'd prefer that LC continue to allow me access to the 'primitives' than to
try to guess what
On 9/14/13 2:34 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
I'd prefer that LC continue to allow me access to the 'primitives' than to
try to guess what I'm doing. Like predictive text, it may not always know
or do the right thing, then one has to backtrack and re-do it, wasting time
and energy.
Good
Vaughn.
Lots of hubbub. You have to love this community.
Back to work just a little, since we are trying to learn livecode. Do you see
how a function, whether mine or not, would be used ubiquitously in your project
to format fields to display a dollar sign?
put $ goodNumber(field 1) +
Jacque-
Saturday, September 14, 2013, 12:49:40 PM, you wrote:
Good example. I saw this recently: Frankly autocorrect, I'm getting a
bit tired of your shirt.
I hate when it does that.
And then there's the anecdotal story about the Newton auto-correcting
newton to death...
--
-Mark Wieder
That's funny! I also like building from 'primitives', but to have options
that offer a possible direction you hadn't considered can spark an aha
moment.
In my earliest years of using Revolution, the script editor had a menu that
would drop in an empty if, switch, or try structure. As a noob, I
Vaughn Clement wrote:
I proposed yesterday to add a Cloud app My Codebook Pro v12 to be
available for free to any LC user/s. Here this kind of script can be
offered and amended by other developers to allow all users to benefit from
the code. So far I have not heard any conversation pro or
On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 12:55 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote:
This sort of exercise is essential to your moving forward. I
That particular one was a big turning point for me and my software--it
forced serious thought as to how to store data (in pennys, duh!) and
how to display it, and to move back
While we're asking for modest syntax changes . . .
Being able to state DELIMIT BY in a REPEAT, and having it stick (as opposed
to using the current value of the itemdelimiter) would be a huge help.
It would avoid ugliness like
set the itemDel to vtab
repeat for each item theDat in theData
set
I am trying to clear cards for output, but it seems to take bizarrely long.
I'm on a fast machine (quad core 2.7ghz I7, 16gb ram, ssd).
I can't get wiping things from or deleting a nearly empty card under 160 ms
or so.
I've tried delete, I've tried for each of the groupNames, then of the
Would using a function do the trick?
repeat for each item theDat in delimitBy(theData,vtab)
do something
end repeat
function delimitBy pData,pDel
set the itemDel to pDel
return pData -- unaltered data
end delimitBy
~Roger
On Sep 14, 2013 7:10 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote:
Richard-
Saturday, September 14, 2013, 5:04:46 PM, you wrote:
hmm, locking everything and deleting the card is down to 5 ms, but
shouldn't there be a quick way to wipe?
That's probably not a good idea if you mean locking messages. There
are parts of the IDE that would like to be notified when
There should be a Godwin's Law for programming language debates: whoever first
brings up LISP loses...
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 14, 2013, at 2:29 PM, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote:
Richard-
Saturday, September 14, 2013, 12:11:33 PM, you wrote:
It can get much better - lots of
(We agree on all your other points)
I remember reading many years ago on this mailing list that if you assign a
number to a variable:
put 52 into x
LC stores that variable as a number from the get-go and only converts it to a
string if needed.
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 14, 2013, at 9:22 AM,
FWIW, while searching for something in the archives recently I stumbled
across Wil Dijkstra's three-part post on speed tips from 2003 -- good stuff:
The speed of MC
http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2003-March/004415.html
How to speed up MC, Part 2
Actually Mark, locking messages is often a good way to speed things
exactly because the IDE doesn't track objects that are added or deleted
until after the current handler has finished executing.
I don't have any additional suggestions other than lock screen/lock
messages -- those are the two I
Geoff.
I could be misRemembering, possibly even in an earlier life (HC), that variable
typing was done by the interpreter at runtime, or in HC 2, at compile time.
Maybe this was changed in LC? Someone here must know...
Craig
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