RE: Datagrid : showing a row by auto scrolling

2014-11-13 Thread FlexibleLearning.com
I would do this manually by setting the vScroll based on (LineNumber * effective textHeight) - (6 *effective LineHeight)... on setScroll pLineNumber put the effective textHeight of fld 1 into tLineHeight set the hilitedLines of fld Family to pLineNumber set the scroll of fld 1 to

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread FlexibleLearning.com
If this were a realistic option, Edinburgh would have permanent testing staff. The language, syntax and interaction permutations are simply too vast for any automated testing whether by machine or human. As Richard G says, ensure your own software is robust with each new version and log any

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Mark Schonewille
Really, why wouldn't it be realistic to pay a bunch of students for a few hours of beta-testing (or should I say alpha-testing) some time in a development cycle? I'm sure they could detect the bugs that every other developer would detect right-away, but without frustrating those developers

Re: Datagrid : showing a row by auto scrolling

2014-11-13 Thread Glen Bojsza
Yes, this will do the trick...thanks. On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 3:00 AM, FlexibleLearning.com ad...@flexiblelearning.com wrote: I would do this manually by setting the vScroll based on (LineNumber * effective textHeight) - (6 *effective LineHeight)... on setScroll pLineNumber put the

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Éric Miclo
Hello, I do agree that more testing (non automatic testing) should be made before releasing a commercial product. But I’m not sure RunRev will listen. When the CEO says: I really would urge everyone in our community to move to 7 as soon as possible. We spent 18 months building it and

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Mark Schonewille
I'll give you 2 cents for that, Éric. I also don't think that RunRev will listen. Yet, I think a company should not rely on its user base for testing. A company can't blame its user base for not testing, if something appears not to work, but a user base can blame the company for delivering

Re: sound recording 6.7 and 7.0

2014-11-13 Thread Pi Digital
Have you filed a report on Bugzilla? Sean Cole Pi Digital -- This message was sent from an iPhone, probably because I'm out and about. Always contactable. Well, most of the time :/ On 13 Nov 2014, at 06:04, Serge .Brami brami.se...@gmail.com wrote: yes QT still come with yosemite I hope

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Richard Gaskin
Geoff Canyon wrote: I'm just expressing frustration about barriers to reporting bugs. For example, a login is required to file a bug... ...as it is for this list, which the bug system is being compared to. Just about any publicly-accessible venue that displays user-generated content will

externals and QR code

2014-11-13 Thread jbv
Hi list Could anyone be kind enough to recommend an external for an app built with LC for smartphones tablets (both iOS and Android) to read QR codes ? Thanks in advance jbv ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit

Re: externals and QR code

2014-11-13 Thread Pi Digital
Mergext has an excellent set of externals one of which is a qr reader. It is very good and I used it recently for an event that used qr codes to register bids by attendees. It's incredibly fast, especially on autofocus devices. Sean Cole Pi Digital -- This message was sent from an iPhone,

Re: Keyboard Shortcuts in Menus

2014-11-13 Thread Graham Samuel
Just to say, of course I can't use 'x' as a keyboard shortcut in a 'File' menu, since there is nearly always an 'Edit' menu in the same toolbar which uses 'X' for 'Cut'. In the whole toolbar, all keyboard shortcuts must of course be distinct, and are presumably not case sensitive. That was my

Re: Keyboard Shortcuts in Menus

2014-11-13 Thread Richard Gaskin
Graham Samuel wrote: In the whole toolbar, all keyboard shortcuts must of course be distinct, and are presumably not case sensitive. That was my silly mistake. I made it because PC programs often have an underlined 'x' in the 'Exit' menu item: this is not a keyboard shortcut but some other

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Sean Cole (Pi)
HI Richard, I have a suggestion for this, having just read the entire thread. I too find it hard at times to get the time to even write here let alone fill out a report on Bugzilla. And then to go through the process of creating a recipe or sample stack. The reason for this is obvious, that like

Re: Datagrid : showing a row by auto scrolling

2014-11-13 Thread Martin Koob
If you are scrolling the datagrid you can use one of these two commands ScrollIndexIntoView - ScrollIndexIntoView pIndex - Scrolls the data grid so that the line associated with pIndex in the internal data array is in view. ScrollLineIntoView - ScrollLineIntoView pLine - Scrolls the data grid so

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Richard Gaskin
Éric Miclo wrote: I do agree that more testing (non automatic testing) should be made before releasing a commercial product. But I’m not sure RunRev will listen. When the CEO says: I really would urge everyone in our community to move to 7 as soon as possible. We spent 18 months building

Re: sound recording 6.7 and 7.0

2014-11-13 Thread Serge Brami
NO i think or hope Than reporting here Will be sufficient Just want someone from the staff to Tell me if it is a bug and when it Will be fixed Email par IPhone de Dr Serge BRAMI Le 13 nov. 2014 à 11:34, Pi Digital s...@pidigital.co.uk a écrit : Have you filed a report on Bugzilla?

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Richard Gaskin
Sean Cole wrote: I have a suggestion for this, having just read the entire thread. How about this approach (which is nothing new - Apple use a similar system and I personally have had much success with it). In the LiveCode app itself (both Commercial and Community) in the Help menu should be a

Re: sound recording 6.7 and 7.0

2014-11-13 Thread Sean Cole (Pi)
Don't rely on Staff reading this forum (or any forum for that matter). They might do, but only if they are not under any pressure or have the inclination or see something interesting. If I were you Serge I would take the leap to go on to quality.livecode.com and fill out a report. If it is being

Could not compile application class

2014-11-13 Thread Andrew Henshaw
Does anyone have any ideas when I get a messagebox with 'Could not compile application class’ in it when I try to save an app so I can deploy it on an iPhone, and at the same time I get a another window popping up saying I need Java runtime environment. Its frustrating as its only on one app,

RE: Could not compile application class

2014-11-13 Thread Ralph DiMola
This is an error I have received for Android builds a couple of times. It is usually caused by an update to the Android SDK. Do you have the Android build checked? Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdim...@evergreeninfo.net -Original Message- From: use-livecode

Re: Could not compile application class

2014-11-13 Thread Neil Roger
Hi Andrew, The could not compile application class message will genreally occur when you are trying to build for Android and there is a discrepancy in your Android SDK/Java setup. In your message you mention that you are trying to build for an iPhone so it could be that you have Android

Re: Keyboard Shortcuts in Menus

2014-11-13 Thread Graham Samuel
Thanks Richard - great explanation as usual! By the way, I am using some Unicode characters in menu items in Windows 7 (actually running on a Mac under Parallels) and sometimes I’ve noticed that they don’t “stick”, in that one can paste a Unicode character like the square root symbol into a

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Richmond
On 13/11/14 18:22, Richard Gaskin wrote: snip Software is complex stuff. I don't think it was a mistake for Tim Cook to suggest we upgrade our Apple devices to the latest software version which later bricked some phones, and I don't think it was a mistake for Kevin to suggest that we use

This'll make you tear your hair out by the roots

2014-11-13 Thread Richmond
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-30019976 Microsoft has patched a critical bug in its software that had existed for 19 years. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe

RE: This'll make you tear your hair out by the roots

2014-11-13 Thread Ralph DiMola
Thanks Richmond. +1 on this. I updated all my servers last night(a long night. I'm shot today). I encourage everyone to do the same. I'm checking now to make sure all the workstations were updated also. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdim...@evergreeninfo.net

Re: This'll make you tear your hair out by the roots

2014-11-13 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Microsoft has patched a critical bug in its software that had existed for 19 years. Well, the footnote text placement bug lasted *at least* 15 years. It was there in Word 1.0 (mac) and I had students bringing me

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 11/13/2014, 1:50 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote: if the requirements are causing Jacque to fail to report a bug, that's a huge issue. Well, to be fair, it doesn't always prevent me from reporting things. If I have time I do create an example stack, especially if my current work can't proceed

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 11/13/2014, 2:27 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Really, why wouldn't it be realistic to pay a bunch of students for a few hours of beta-testing (or should I say alpha-testing) some time in a development cycle? There's no way a few hours would catch much in a system as complex and large as

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: SELECT * FROM sometable; worked before the change with SQLite. Now, it is necessary to remove the semicolon. I just tried this using LC 5.5.4

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 11/13/2014, 12:20 PM, Richmond wrote: I believe there needs to be: 1. a set list of incentives on offer for bug detection. I wonder if it would be possible to extend a user's license for a short period after a certain number of verified bug reports has been submitted. For community

Re: This'll make you tear your hair out by the roots

2014-11-13 Thread J. Landman Gay
I just read that within 12 hours of the report, Yahoo's servers were hit with this exploit. On 11/13/2014, 12:54 PM, Ralph DiMola wrote: Thanks Richmond. +1 on this. I updated all my servers last night(a long night. I'm shot today). I encourage everyone to do the same. I'm checking now to

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Neil Roger
Hi Richard, I've attempted to replicate the semicolon issue without any success. This could be why we have not come accross it during testing in-house. The script that I tested with is- global gConnectionID on mouseUp global gConnectionID if gConnectionID is not a number then

DP, RC, GM, Stable and tree diagrams

2014-11-13 Thread Richmond
For us bottom-feeders it might be easier to understand why, for instance, 7.0.1 started with RC (release candidates) while 7.0.0 started with DP (developer previews) if RunRev could publish some sort of tree-diagram so we could get a better understanding of the relations and inter-relations

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Peter Haworth
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: revDataFromQuery(,,17,SELECT * FROM vader_darth__001_dna;) yields Message execution error: Error description: value: error executing expression Hint: ) While if I leave out the semicolon, it gives me all the data in

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Geoff Canyon
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 1:06 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: On 11/13/2014, 1:50 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote: if the requirements are causing Jacque to fail to report a bug, that's a huge issue. Well, to be fair, it doesn't always prevent me from reporting things. If I have

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 11/13/2014, 2:32 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote: I didn't mean to imply that the system is preventing you from entering any bugs; I'm saying that given your many years of experience and dedication to the platform if the system prevents you from entering even a single bug, that's bad. The thing is,

RE: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Ralph DiMola
Neil, With user input and Richard's moderating this thread has started to bear some fruit. After writing HW diagnostics for years I know how challenging is to come with thorough testing scenarios. I don't know what your QC process for databases is but might I suggest using challenging queries. I

Re: BBEdit Language Module for LiveCode

2014-11-13 Thread Brahmanathaswami
Bob Sneidar wrote: I am uncertain how this helps me code in Livecode. Am I missing something? I downloaded TextMate and the bundles and installed the bundles, but I do not see anything for Livecode. Is this just for RevIgniter? Bob S ___

Re: DP, RC, GM, Stable and tree diagrams

2014-11-13 Thread Richard Gaskin
Richmond wrote: For us bottom-feeders it might be easier to understand why, for instance, 7.0.1 started with RC (release candidates) while 7.0.0 started with DP (developer previews) Ben added definitions for DP, RC, and Stable at the top of the Downloads page:

Re: externals and QR code

2014-11-13 Thread Monte Goulding
On 14 Nov 2014, at 1:53 am, Pi Digital s...@pidigital.co.uk wrote: Mergext has an excellent set of externals one of which is a qr reader. It is very good and I used it recently for an event that used qr codes to register bids by attendees. It's incredibly fast, especially on autofocus

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Richard Gaskin
Richmond wrote: What might do some good is point out to RunRev that when they released their Open Source version of LiveCode they undertook to be more touchy-feely and more responsive to their users . . . and, just possibly, they may be falling short of this. Perhaps. What should

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Alex Tweedly
Note to self : I am *not* getting involved in this thread. I am *not* getting involved in this thread. I am *not* getting involved in this thread. I am *not* getting involved in this thread. I do *not* have time to read, never mind get involved in, this thread. :-) OK.

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Neil Roger n...@livecode.com wrote: Both the inclusion and exclusion of the semi-colon return data as expected. If possible, could you supply a stack for me to test with and I will happily look into this further. I'll see what I can pop together. And now, I

Time to rename the red dots to PCDs

2014-11-13 Thread Dr. Hawkins
For Pirate Code Dots . . . :( This is maddening. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:

Re: This'll make you tear your hair out by the roots

2014-11-13 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:17 AM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: I just read that within 12 hours of the report, Yahoo's servers were hit with this exploit. My initial reaction is that anyone running windows on a server deserves whatever happens. But I thought that it said

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Richard Gaskin
Alex Tweedly wrote: It would seem touchy-feely for there to be more response on this list from RR. I tend to feel the same, but as with so many things it's a balancing act - after all, one of the reasons we want them here is to tell them to go away so they can spend their time fixing bugs.

itemDel not resetting on entering routines?

2014-11-13 Thread Dr. Hawkins
I've seen this in the past, too. In many of my handlers, I have to set the itemDelimiter explicitly to tab, whereas it is *supposed* to be local to the handler, and be reset on exit. I've seen this in both 5 7, although it just bit in a routine that worked in 5 while I'm using 7. -- Dr.

Re: Could not compile application class

2014-11-13 Thread Andrew Henshaw
Nope, only iPhone checked. I went back to 6.6.5 and it compiled fine, so the error only happens in LC6.7 and LC 7. Odd, hopefully its just a one off and will work itself out somehow, its only happening in one app, everything else compiles fine. Thanks Andy On 13 Nov 2014, at 17:47,

can't put into field by id?

2014-11-13 Thread Dr. Hawkins
With a sequence like, put the long id of fld (word 1 of myVar) into theFld put gizmo into theFld I end up with gizmo in the variable theFld, rather than the field it references. Am I doing something wrong, or does this just not work for fields (7.0-RC2) -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702)

Re: can't put into field by id?

2014-11-13 Thread Richard Gaskin
Dr. Hawkins wrote: With a sequence like, put the long id of fld (word 1 of myVar) into theFld put gizmo into theFld I end up with gizmo in the variable theFld, rather than the field it references. Am I doing something wrong, or does this just not work for fields (7.0-RC2) I believe that's

Re: can't put into field by id?

2014-11-13 Thread Scott Rossi
By saying this: put gizmo into theFld You're telling LiveCode to put gizmo into the theFld variable, not into the field you referenced earlier. This is standard behavior. Do this: set the text of theFld to gizmo Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On Nov 13,

Re: can't put into field by id?

2014-11-13 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: You could rewrite the code so that the variable portion contains only the short name, e.g.: put gizmo into field theFld in 7.0 RC21, this yiuelds, button scr_output: execution error at line 5814 (Chunk:

Re: itemDel not resetting on entering routines?

2014-11-13 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 11/13/2014, 5:42 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: In many of my handlers, I have to set the itemDelimiter explicitly to tab, whereas it is*supposed* to be local to the handler, and be reset on exit. I'm not sure I understand. The default delimiter is comma so it's normal to have to reset it to tab

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Peter Haworth
I just tried it under 7.0 and same result - no problems with or without the semicolon. There must be something else going on in Dr Hawkins code. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com Home of lcStackBrowser http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html and SQLiteAdmin

Re: itemDel not resetting on entering routines?

2014-11-13 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 4:26 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: On 11/13/2014, 5:42 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: In many of my handlers, I have to set the itemDelimiter explicitly to tab, whereas it is*supposed* to be local to the handler, and be reset on exit. I'm not sure I

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote: I just tried it under 7.0 and same result - no problems with or without the semicolon. There must be something else going on in Dr Hawkins code. The ones I posted today were typed into the message box! -- Dr. Richard E.

Re: itemDel not resetting on entering routines?

2014-11-13 Thread J. Landman Gay
LOL Better you than me. :-) We've all embarrassed ourselves here, it's sort of an initiation thing. On November 13, 2014 7:27:20 PM CST, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 4:26 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: On 11/13/2014, 5:42 PM, Dr. Hawkins

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Geoff Canyon
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 3:10 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: I blame myself for the omissions (except when Richard G. forgives me.) :) Bless me Richard, for I have sinned. It has been two weeks since my last bug report. Since then I wrote three undocumented functions and one

Re: can't put into field by id?

2014-11-13 Thread dunbarx
I think what the good doctor wanted to do was this: on mouseUp put xx into myVar put the long id of fld (word 1 of myVar) into theFld do put gizmo into theFld end mouseUp Now gizmo is placed into, er, the field Craig put the long id of fld (word 1 of myVar) into theFld put gizmo

Re: DP, RC, GM, Stable and tree diagrams

2014-11-13 Thread Richmond
On 11/13/2014 11:51 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Richmond wrote: For us bottom-feeders it might be easier to understand why, for instance, 7.0.1 started with RC (release candidates) while 7.0.0 started with DP (developer previews) Ben added definitions for DP, RC, and Stable at the top of the