Re: Chromebook deployment...

[Michael Gruenthal]

Think bigger (or smaller). Your computer is in your pocket. It connects 
wirelessly and adapts to the display and input devices around you. Until that 
happens, merging OS X and iOS won’t work. They are close enough (under the 
hood) that there’s no real impediment to merging them now, but there isn’t a 
device yet that will provide an end user experience that’s up to Cupertino 
standards. I’m sure that a merged OS exists, but we won’t see it until the 
hardware is ready. Look at what Apple is doing with size classes in Xcode. It’s 
not just about the iPad Pro.




On 10/31/15, 5:32 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Geoff Canyon" 
 wrote:

>I didn't mean to imply that Apple's (future, potential) effort would ape
>Microsoft's work. I just listed MS's effort because it's a concrete example
>of the issues I see.
>
>The rest of your post seems to be implying that your version of a hybrid OS
>would largely resemble iOS, but with some extensions included to support
>trackpads. I still question the viability of such a thing, but it would at
>least not suffer from some of the glaring (to me, obviously, since at least
>millions of people seem perfectly happy with their Surfaces running Win10)
>usability failures -- like Excel, which (last time I checked, which was
>pre-Win10) had many interface elements that were 90% unusable without a
>trackpad (or stylus).
>
>So if Apple releases a touch-sensitive laptop that flips over to become a
>tablet, runs something fairly close to iOS, but with the ability to run
>something like LiveCode on it, I'd definitely consider it.
>
>Which makes me curious: LiveCode notwithstanding, are there iOS app
>equivalents for most categories at this point? Audacity, Balsamiq,
>Photoshop, Jira, etc., etc.?
>
>gc
>
>On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Richard Gaskin 
>wrote:
>
>> Geoff Canyon wrote:
>>
>> > On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 1:07 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> >
>> >> I just wish Apple would hurry up and announce the merger of OS X and
>> >> iOS
>> >>
>> >
>> > Puttin' on my holy war pants... I hope they never do this. I've seen
>> > what Windows 10 looks like on a tablet, and (to my eye) it's a
>> > usability mess.
>>
>> When did Apple ever implement something in the way Microsoft does?
>>
>> Apple's desktop OS has always been distinguished from Microsoft's, their
>> mobile OS is very different from Microsoft's; there's no reason to believe
>> a convergence design would become the one area where Apple feels the need
>> to start emulating Microsoft.
>>
>>
>> > Touch and trackpad/mouse are too far apart to share a UI.
>>
>> They are very different, yet consider the capabilities of the iPad and the
>> popularity of docking keyboards for them.  Apple even makes one themselves
>> now.
>>
>> By docking a keyboard you get half your screen back and a much better
>> typing experience.  At the point the device ergonomics are already like a
>> laptop, with one serious downside: the "gorilla arm" Steve Jobs discussed
>> as a problem with using touch screens with laptops.
>>
>> Touch is great for convenience, but pointers are great for precision.
>> Neither is best in all circumstances; both are excellent for their own
>> respective tasks.
>>
>> Why not put a trackpad on the docking keyboard, and have the best of both?
>>
>> Just as the Outbound predated the first Mac portable, someone's already
>> shipping a docking keyboard for the iPad that has a trackpad:
>> <
>> http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/02/crux-loaded-case-almost-turns-your-ipad-into-a-laptop-for-250/
>> >
>>
>> The alternative to an OS design that can gracefully adapt to different
>> input modes is a requirement to carry both an iPad and a Macbook, one for
>> convenience tasks and the other for when you're doing any serious work like
>> typing or graphics - or risk "gorilla arm" with a docking keyboard that has
>> no trackpad.
>>
>> Anyone who believes Apple is unable to produce a great convergence design
>> underestimates them, and overlooks a long and distinguished history of
>> excellence where others look clumsy.
>>
>> --
>>  Richard Gaskin
>>  Fourth World Systems
>>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>>  
>>  ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com
>>
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Re: Chromebook deployment...

[J. Landman Gay]

I think you may be right it's a regional thing. I checked my archives again and 
I have no version 4. It goes from 3 to 5. I'm looking at the official Apple 
developer CD that contains all historical operating systems. 

On November 1, 2015 8:20:18 AM CST, Colin Holgate  
wrote:
>I was hired by Apple in October 1987 because they lacked Apple II
>knowledge in tech support, but I would still have to answer calls not
>knowing what the topic was going to be. One conversation with an Apple
>dealer went like this:
>
>dealer: “what’s the current version of Finder?”
>me to dealer: “hold on”
>me to colleagues: “what’s the current version of Finder?”
>colleagues: “5.5”
>me to dealer: “5.5”
>dealer: “thanks” hang up
>me to colleagues: “What’s Finder?”
>
>Anyway, my point was that even if in some places 4.2/6.0 was promoted
>as System Update 5.0, there never was a System 5.0. The System went
>straight from 4.3 to 6.0.
>
>
>> On Oct 31, 2015, at 4:30 PM, Richmond 
>wrote:
>> 
>> On 31/10/15 22:05, Colin Holgate wrote:
>>> Wikipedia is one of the places that seemed wrong. It could just be
>that it was packaged that way in the US, elsewhere the system release
>didn’t really have a number as such, because System and Finder were
>always different, until 6.0 was released.
>>> 
>>> The main thing is that there wasn’t a System 5.0, even if in some
>places 4.2 and 4.3 were labeled as System Software Release 5.x.
>> 
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/syslist.html
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 31, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Richmond 
>wrote:
 
 
 One really doesn't have to look far to check that one:
 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mac_OS#System_Software_5
>
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Re: Chromebook deployment...

[Colin Holgate]

I was hired by Apple in October 1987 because they lacked Apple II knowledge in 
tech support, but I would still have to answer calls not knowing what the topic 
was going to be. One conversation with an Apple dealer went like this:

dealer: “what’s the current version of Finder?”
me to dealer: “hold on”
me to colleagues: “what’s the current version of Finder?”
colleagues: “5.5”
me to dealer: “5.5”
dealer: “thanks” hang up
me to colleagues: “What’s Finder?”

Anyway, my point was that even if in some places 4.2/6.0 was promoted as System 
Update 5.0, there never was a System 5.0. The System went straight from 4.3 to 
6.0.


> On Oct 31, 2015, at 4:30 PM, Richmond  wrote:
> 
> On 31/10/15 22:05, Colin Holgate wrote:
>> Wikipedia is one of the places that seemed wrong. It could just be that it 
>> was packaged that way in the US, elsewhere the system release didn’t really 
>> have a number as such, because System and Finder were always different, 
>> until 6.0 was released.
>> 
>> The main thing is that there wasn’t a System 5.0, even if in some places 4.2 
>> and 4.3 were labeled as System Software Release 5.x.
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/syslist.html
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 31, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Richmond  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> One really doesn't have to look far to check that one:
>>> 
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mac_OS#System_Software_5 
>>> 
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Re: Chromebook deployment...

[Kaveh Bazargan]

Colin, we might have run into each other in the early Apple days. I did
many demos for dealers for Adobe Illustrator (v1), Mathematica (on Mac and
Next), Textures (tex on Mac) and even HyperCard.

On 1 November 2015 at 14:20, Colin Holgate  wrote:

> I was hired by Apple in October 1987 because they lacked Apple II
> knowledge in tech support, but I would still have to answer calls not
> knowing what the topic was going to be. One conversation with an Apple
> dealer went like this:
>
> dealer: “what’s the current version of Finder?”
> me to dealer: “hold on”
> me to colleagues: “what’s the current version of Finder?”
> colleagues: “5.5”
> me to dealer: “5.5”
> dealer: “thanks” hang up
> me to colleagues: “What’s Finder?”
>
> Anyway, my point was that even if in some places 4.2/6.0 was promoted as
> System Update 5.0, there never was a System 5.0. The System went straight
> from 4.3 to 6.0.
>
>
> > On Oct 31, 2015, at 4:30 PM, Richmond 
> wrote:
> >
> > On 31/10/15 22:05, Colin Holgate wrote:
> >> Wikipedia is one of the places that seemed wrong. It could just be that
> it was packaged that way in the US, elsewhere the system release didn’t
> really have a number as such, because System and Finder were always
> different, until 6.0 was released.
> >>
> >> The main thing is that there wasn’t a System 5.0, even if in some
> places 4.2 and 4.3 were labeled as System Software Release 5.x.
> >
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/syslist.html
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Oct 31, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Richmond 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> One really doesn't have to look far to check that one:
> >>>
> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mac_OS#System_Software_5 <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mac_OS#System_Software_5>
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Re: User Guide: Call for Errata

[William Prothero]

Richard:
Oh heck, I can export it to .doc if needed.
Bill

> On Nov 1, 2015, at 10:23 AM, William Prothero  wrote:
> 
> Richard:
> I use an Apple app named “notebook” to store various extractions that I 
> wanted to save from  this list. I don’t have time to fully join in the user 
> guide editing effort, but if you think it would be useful, I could send you 
> my Notebook file for this.
> Best,
> Bill
> 
>> On Oct 29, 2015, at 9:52 AM, Richard Gaskin  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Kay.  And thanks for the CC - lets me keep all these notes in one 
>> place.
>> 
>> Please feel free to pass along any other details you come across.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Richard Gaskin
>> LiveCode Community Manager
>> rich...@livecode.org
>> 
>> 
>> Kay C Lan wrote:
>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Richard Gaskin >> fourthworld.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 To make sure we cover any errors and omissions you've seen, please send a
 brief description with the page number to me at the email address below.
 
 Bug #12450
>>> 
>>> Also, ALL references to Mac OS should be removed. LC 7 & 8 will not run on
>>> OS 9 so references should only be made to OS X. Both the User Guide and the
>>> Dictionary suffer badly from inconsistency of the use of the term Mac OS -
>>> sometimes it's referring specifically to OS 9 and at other times it means
>>> both 9 and X.
>>> 
>>> Page 258 of the User Guide, under The layer of menu buttons: makes
>>> reference to both Mac OS and OS X
>>> Same Page but the next Para down, under Changing Menus Dynamically: only
>>> refers to Mac OS, but the statement also applies to OS X.
>>> 
>>> To add to the inconsistency the User Guide (I haven't seen it in the
>>> Dictionary) also occasionally uses the term Mac OS Classic - see Page 259,
>>> top line but in the very next paragraph return to using Mac OS to refer to
>>> OS 9.
>>> 
>>> Again, moving forward there should only be one term, either Mac OS X or
>>> just OS X and ALL content applicable ONLY to OS 9 should be removed.
>>> 
>>> I've CC'd your other email as requested but posted here as it may trigger
>>> some more useful comments on what needs attention.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for taking on this task... it's a BIG one.
>> 
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Re: Application Data

[Sri]

Peter:
Will this work?

1. Use windowShape property to create your "application" stack with a
rectangular hole in the middle for the "user" stack. 
2. Constrain the location and dimensions of the user stack so it stays
within bounds when the user resizes it.
3. Use mouseEnter and mouseLeave to activate the respective stack.

Regards,
Sri



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