Re: LC7 and 8 - Non responsive processing large text files

2016-04-13 Thread Monte Goulding
> On 14 Apr 2016, at 3:25 PM, Mark Talluto wrote: > >> But reading something into memory using "read from file UNTIL >> " and doing this many times over in such large text file creates >> non-responsiveness of LC (tested on 7 and 8). It would be interesting to know if

Re: Volunteer github guru for documentation submissions?

2016-04-13 Thread Kay C Lan
Don't you hate it when you hit Send and immediately realise there is a simpler solution. Don't need to ask for your fork name, I can just use the / livecode/livecode/ fork to demonstrate the same thing: on mouseUp put the htmltext of widget 1 of stack "revDictionary" into tText filter lines

Re: Volunteer github guru for documentation submissions?

2016-04-13 Thread Kay C Lan
On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > That sounds complicated. Getting to Heaven is never going to be easy... especially when it's my LC Heaven ;-) > > I’m not sure if it is easy to determine which doc is currently being > viewed in the dictionary. >

Re: Bugs in 8.0.0 RC1 and trying to convince a colleague that LC is *not* flaky

2016-04-13 Thread RM
Well, I'm not going to show anything like 8.0.0 to "Steve": I'll either show him the latest of the 7 series or wait until about 8.1. As far as I can see "8" is so radically different to "7" that expecting 8.0.0 to be stable is extremely unwise. There are 2 schools of thought: 1. Too much

Re: LC7 and 8 - Non responsive processing large text files

2016-04-13 Thread Mark Talluto
> On Apr 13, 2016, at 3:03 AM, Roland Huettmann > wrote: …snip > But reading something into memory using "read from file UNTIL > " and doing this many times over in such large text file creates > non-responsiveness of LC (tested on 7 and 8). > > So, what do I do?

Re: Volunteer github guru for documentation submissions?

2016-04-13 Thread Scott Rossi
I'm a GitHub novice, but I've used this with another client (OS X): https://desktop.github.com/ Not sure I have it pointed at the right directory, but I see a bunch of pull requests from livecodeali and peter-b. :-) Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX/UI Design On

Re: Bugs in 8.0.0 RC1 and trying to convince a colleague that LC is *not* flaky

2016-04-13 Thread Monte Goulding
Hi Scott I feel ya… we all have Steve's I’ve worked out a fix for this but as you have probably already determined there will be resistance to including any non-critical bugfix in LC 8 now. The good news is I can submit a PR today that will be merged into 8.0.1 so don’t poke Steve until

Re: Volunteer github guru for documentation submissions?

2016-04-13 Thread Monte Goulding
> In the LC Dictionary you notice an error > There is an Edit button to click on > It retrieves the appropriate lcdoc file from the correct GitHub Branch So here you could be opening a lcdoc file that is different to the one you noticed an error on which could be confusing but probably isn’t a

Re: Plugins vs. the Mac app bundle

2016-04-13 Thread Paul Hibbert
> On Apr 13, 2016, at 9:57 AM, Richard Gaskin > wrote: > > If you want to share your code here I'll bet we can pin down which part > triggers the "dirty" flag. > > Since you've already scripted your changes, having them run in a plugin on > startup rather than

Re: 8.0.0 RC1 - Which Xcode Version?

2016-04-13 Thread Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami
Thanks I tried to kick myself, but knees are a little stiff: (smile) Repeat after me 20 times: “read the release notes, read the release notes, read the release notes….” OK I got it now Xcode 7.3 it is. BR On 4/13/16, 10:41 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of panagiotis merakos"

Re: Volunteer github guru for documentation submissions?

2016-04-13 Thread Kay C Lan
On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 8:45 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > There’s no productivity gains in using a LC docs specific git gui only a > slightly reduced learning curve. I my LC Heaven there would be both :-) In the LC Dictionary you notice an error There is an Edit button to

Re: Indy Licensing

2016-04-13 Thread Robert Mann
maybe that this Licensing questions are off-topic for this mailing list -- but our support team at [hidden email] would be delighted to answer your question. should be read as : *Personnal licensing questions* are off-topic for this mailing list -- but our support team at [hidden email]

Re: Volunteer github guru for documentation submissions?

2016-04-13 Thread Monte Goulding
> On 14 Apr 2016, at 9:53 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: > > You could say exactly the same thing about LiveCode users. Why hide > ourselves from C or C++, they exist and 'almost' everyone else is using > them? Maybe you could say that but there’s clear productivity gains for

Re: Anyone have any LiveCode hooks to WordPress? And, are you following these Word Camp events

2016-04-13 Thread stephen barncard
Livecode server pages can always be shown via another (PHP) page using iFrames in the html code Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA - mixstream.org On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Mark Rauterkus wrote: > Hi, > > These Word Camp events might be a great way to share

Re: Volunteer github guru for documentation submissions?

2016-04-13 Thread Kay C Lan
On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 6:13 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > I’ve thought about this and yes it would be feasible to do however there > are two things we know exist: > - good git gui’s - I like and often use SourceTree which is available for > Windows and Mac > - good text

Re: Volunteer github guru for documentation submissions?

2016-04-13 Thread Monte Goulding
> On 14 Apr 2016, at 8:44 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote: > > > > On 13/04/2016 22:45, Monte Goulding wrote: >> GitHub <> git and you are using GitHub which has hacked on a web interface >> for working on stuff. I honestly think that if folks spent the same amount >> of time

Re: Volunteer github guru for documentation submissions?

2016-04-13 Thread Kay C Lan
On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 4:30 AM, Devin Asay wrote: > > - A markdown previewer. I know Ali made a stab at this, but I wasn't able > to get it to work. > Do you have Ali's latest version of the preview.livecode stack? Sorry I tried to find a link to it but I can only find one

Re: Volunteer github guru for documentation submissions?

2016-04-13 Thread Alex Tweedly
On 13/04/2016 22:45, Monte Goulding wrote: GitHub <> git and you are using GitHub which has hacked on a web interface for working on stuff. I honestly think that if folks spent the same amount of time working out the web interface as working out how to use git locally using a good git gui

Bugs in 8.0.0 RC1 and trying to convince a colleague that LC is *not* flaky

2016-04-13 Thread RunRevPlanet
I know these are not show stoppers, but I suspect that bugs 15963 and 15964 will both be present in the final 8.0.0 build, whenever that may be. I understand that everyone has their favourite problem that needs fixing. And I understand that the LiveCode team has worked, and is working very hard,

Re: Volunteer github guru for documentation submissions?

2016-04-13 Thread Monte Goulding
> On 14 Apr 2016, at 12:42 AM, Richard Gaskin > wrote: > > I wonder if the power and flexibility of LiveCode could be applied to making > a front-end for working with LiveCode documentation. > > It would of course be ideal if the core dev team had time for that,

Re: selObj changed?

2016-04-13 Thread Richard Gaskin
Ali Lloyd wrote: > Not a feature, and I can't reproduce it here. Is it Linux-specific? Perhaps, haven't tested it elsewhere. It seems to be related to how one of my plugins works, but it's behaving differently in v8 than before. I'll pin down the recipe and submit an report. > On

Re: Volunteer github guru for documentation submissions?

2016-04-13 Thread Monte Goulding
> On 14 Apr 2016, at 1:07 AM, Mike Kerner wrote: > > The process for modifying code and the process for modifying documentation > should be different. Git, maybe intentionally, makes it difficult for > people to work together on documents. One of the things that Ali

Re: selObj changed?

2016-04-13 Thread Ali Lloyd
Not a feature, and I can't reproduce it here. Is it Linux-specific? On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 10:12 PM Paul Dupuis wrote: > On 4/13/2016 4:13 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > RECIPE: > > 1. Make a new stack > > 2. With the Browse tool active, in the Message Box run: > > > >

Re: selObj changed?

2016-04-13 Thread Scott Rossi
I'd vote bug. The name of the property (and its history) implies an object that can be selected and unselected. It's too much work to have to compare the property value with the stack name to determine if nothing is selected. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX/UI Design

Re: selObj changed?

2016-04-13 Thread Paul Dupuis
On 4/13/2016 4:13 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > RECIPE: > 1. Make a new stack > 2. With the Browse tool active, in the Message Box run: > > put the selObj > > > In versions prior to v8 the selObj is empty, but in v8 it returns the > name of the stack. > > Bug or feature? > If it is a "feature",

Re: errorDialog broken?

2016-04-13 Thread Richard Gaskin
Ralph DiMola wrote: > It works in a library stack. In fact it also catches IDE errors. Thanks. I found the culprit: I hadn't yet turned off "Debug Mode" (still don't know why the default is to create yet one more difference between IDE and runtime, but oh well...) -- Richard Gaskin

RE: Volunteer github guru for documentation submissions?

2016-04-13 Thread Ralph DiMola
You are correct. It made a difference in v6 at one point. I will try to nail down when it changed. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdim...@evergreeninfo.net -Original Message- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of J.

RE: errorDialog broken?

2016-04-13 Thread Ralph DiMola
It works in a library stack. In fact it also catches IDE errors. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdim...@evergreeninfo.net -Original Message- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Richard Gaskin Sent: Wednesday, April 13,

Re: 8.0.0 RC1 - Which Xcode Version?

2016-04-13 Thread panagiotis merakos
Currently the supported versions of Xcode are: Xcode 4.6 on OSX 10.7 Xcode 5.1 on OSX 10.8 Xcode 6.2 on OSX 10.9 Xcode 6.2 and 7.2 on OSX 10.10 Xcode 7.3 on OSX 10.11 Taken from the Release Notes, page 6: http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_0/LiveCodeNotes-8_0_0_rc_1.pdf Best, Panos --

Re: Volunteer github guru for documentation submissions?

2016-04-13 Thread Devin Asay
> On Apr 13, 2016, at 11:52 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > > On April 13, 2016 7:58:21 AM Mike Kerner wrote: > >> I'm done. I have better things to do than fight through trying to help >> everybody by making the docs better. > > I can so

errorDialog broken?

2016-04-13 Thread Richard Gaskin
Many years ago I thought I could use the errorDialog message to catch throw statements, but when I try that here in both v6 and v8 I find all errorDialog handlers are ignored - EXCEPT - ...for the one in LC's revbackscriptlibrary 1. Why? 2. How? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems

selObj changed?

2016-04-13 Thread Richard Gaskin
RECIPE: 1. Make a new stack 2. With the Browse tool active, in the Message Box run: put the selObj In versions prior to v8 the selObj is empty, but in v8 it returns the name of the stack. Bug or feature? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the

Re: [ANN] Release 8.0.0 RC 1

2016-04-13 Thread Peter TB Brett
On 13/04/2016 20:36, Jim Lambert wrote: Here’s an issue I’m seeing with LC 8.0.0 RC 1 on OS X that I have not seen previously. When I launch LC 8.0.0 RC 1 on OS X I get the 'You downloaded this application from the Internet…' security dialog. Usually you just click OK and never see that

Re: [ANN] Release 8.0.0 RC 1

2016-04-13 Thread Mike Kerner
I'm not experiencing that, at least on 10.10.5 On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 3:36 PM, Jim Lambert wrote: > Here’s an issue I’m seeing with LC 8.0.0 RC 1 on OS X that I have not seen > previously. > > When I launch LC 8.0.0 RC 1 on OS X I get the 'You downloaded this > application

Re: [ANN] Release 8.0.0 RC 1

2016-04-13 Thread Jim Lambert
Here’s an issue I’m seeing with LC 8.0.0 RC 1 on OS X that I have not seen previously. When I launch LC 8.0.0 RC 1 on OS X I get the 'You downloaded this application from the Internet…' security dialog. Usually you just click OK and never see that dialog again. At least that was the case with

Re: 8.0.0 RC1 - Which Xcode Version?

2016-04-13 Thread Mark Talluto
> On Apr 13, 2016, at 10:08 AM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami > wrote: > > In dp 16… I had to turn off the auto updates in the App store, deleted the > latest version of Xcode, and installed Xcode 7.2.1 after that the mobile > provisioning in dp16 prefs was “green for go”

Anyone have any LiveCode hooks to WordPress? And, are you following these Word Camp events

2016-04-13 Thread Mark Rauterkus
Hi, These Word Camp events might be a great way to share some of the love for LiveCode, if you are a blogger and using WordPress, especially. https://2016.pittsburgh.wordcamp.org/ I just went to my first a week long Steel City CodeFest in my town. Fun. No LiveCode. But next year, we'll gear

Re: Volunteer github guru for documentation submissions?

2016-04-13 Thread Ali Lloyd
That's correct, clipboardData, rawClipboardData and fullClipboardData are all global properties, whereas clipboard is a function that returns the type of data on the clipboard. Now that I read it again though, those instances of in the summaries of all the clipboard entries should be links to

Re: Indy Licensing

2016-04-13 Thread JB
You can use the FREE VERSION. But I have read you are not allowed to develop for the Indy with it. I guess you can discuss the licensing of the free version and hw it relates. JB > On Apr 13, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Warren Samples wrote: > > On 04/13/2016 12:26 PM, John

Re: Volunteer github guru for documentation submissions?

2016-04-13 Thread J. Landman Gay
All the clipboard entries are listed in the Properties category on github also. Made me scratch my head. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On April 13, 2016 2:18:20 AM Ali Lloyd

Re: Volunteer github guru for documentation submissions?

2016-04-13 Thread J. Landman Gay
On April 13, 2016 7:58:21 AM Mike Kerner wrote: I'm done. I have better things to do than fight through trying to help everybody by making the docs better. I can so sympathize, but at least I don't feel so stupid now. I am going to keep plugging away at it, doing

Re: Indy Licensing

2016-04-13 Thread Warren Samples
On 04/13/2016 12:26 PM, John Dixon wrote: I am surprised that this list has not been flooded with questions and complaints... Have you been away? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe,

RE: Indy Licensing

2016-04-13 Thread John Dixon
Why are Licensing questions off-topic for this mailing list ? With the changes that have been made to licensing and the massive hike in price that is being seen over the next few months to the end of the year, I am surprised that this list has not been flooded with questions and complaints...

8.0.0 RC1 - Which Xcode Version?

2016-04-13 Thread Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami
In dp 16… I had to turn off the auto updates in the App store, deleted the latest version of Xcode, and installed Xcode 7.2.1 after that the mobile provisioning in dp16 prefs was “green for go” with the SDK 9.2 After loading RC1…it is “red for no go” What version should we download now?

Re: Plugins vs. the Mac app bundle

2016-04-13 Thread Richard Gaskin
Paul Hibbert wrote: >> But frankly, even then I'd think twice about modifying signed files. >> Bypassing security is rarely advantageous. > > I wasn’t making the changes to bypass any security issues, I just > wanted to modify the menus slightly, I didn’t even think about code > signing and

Re: Indy Licensing

2016-04-13 Thread Peter TB Brett
On 13/04/2016 17:21, Bob Sneidar wrote: Does the IDE functionality stop working once the indy license expires? In other words, do I have to pay each year to continue developing apps? Hi Bob, Licensing questions are off-topic for this mailing list -- but our support team at

Re: Volunteer github guru for documentation submissions?

2016-04-13 Thread Richard Gaskin
Mike Kerner wrote: The process for modifying code and the process for modifying documentation should be different. I agree that's it's very valuable to continually strive for ever-better workflow methods. The challenge here is: what exactly does a better solution look like? Even if we

Indy Licensing

2016-04-13 Thread Bob Sneidar
Does the IDE functionality stop working once the indy license expires? In other words, do I have to pay each year to continue developing apps? Bob S ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe,

Re: Volunteer github guru for documentation submissions?

2016-04-13 Thread Mike Kerner
Name: send Type: command Syntax: send [ to [in [seconds | ticks | milliseconds]] ] Summary: Sends to immediately, or adds to the queue. Introduced: 1.0 OS: mac,windows,linux,ios,android Platforms: desktop,server,web,mobile Example: send "mouseDown" to button "next" Example: send

Re: Volunteer github guru for documentation submissions?

2016-04-13 Thread Mike Kerner
The process for modifying code and the process for modifying documentation should be different. Git, maybe intentionally, makes it difficult for people to work together on documents. One of the things that Ali and I ran into is that he cannot easily make changes to my changes because that's not

Re: Volunteer github guru for documentation submissions?

2016-04-13 Thread Richard Gaskin
Mike Kerner wrote: I'm done. I have better things to do than fight through trying to help everybody by making the docs better. Have a look at send and the attempts to clarify what it does and how it works, and if afterward you want a go at it, go for it. What looks at first glance like a

Re: Volunteer github guru for documentation submissions?

2016-04-13 Thread Ali Lloyd
Mike, I'm sorry it ended up being a very tricky document to change - I think we jointly suffered a sort of scope creep because that doc doesn't properly distinguish between the notion of a message and the messageName parameter. While it's true that what you were originally suggesting was a tweak,

Re: LC 8.0 (rc 1) - Again script edtior window disappearing off-screen

2016-04-13 Thread Roland Huettmann
Yes, thanks to you, BUT: Working for a little while now in LC 8.0 ( lc 1) it happened again: Script editor window disappeared to location: -25162,-25296 . And this time the preferences file was NEWLY created. It started all well and fine. Then during work - out of a sudden - after some script

Re: Volunteer github guru for documentation submissions?

2016-04-13 Thread Mike Kerner
I'm done. I have better things to do than fight through trying to help everybody by making the docs better. Have a look at send and the attempts to clarify what it does and how it works, and if afterward you want a go at it, go for it. What looks at first glance like a tweak turns out to be a

LC7 and 8 - Non responsive processing large text files

2016-04-13 Thread Roland Huettmann
This issue was addressed before within another context, but I am running into the same problems with all versions of 7 and 8 including the latest rc1 (using Windows 8.1 to Windows 10). The question is important as it is related to a planned project for very serious development and a product to be

Re: LC 8.0 (rc 1) - Again script edtior window disappearing off-screen

2016-04-13 Thread panagiotis merakos
@Peter Yes, Roland has already attached the old prefs in the bug report ( http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16749) as requested Best, Panos -- On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Peter TB Brett wrote: > > > On 13/04/2016 08:43, Roland Huettmann wrote: > > -

Re: LC 8.0 (rc 1) - Again script edtior window disappearing off-screen

2016-04-13 Thread Peter TB Brett
On 13/04/2016 08:43, Roland Huettmann wrote: - Move the file or files to some other folder (or delete if not needed any longer) - Restart LiveCode - A new Preferences file will be created (have a look) If moving your preferences file out of the way fixes incorrect IDE behaviour, we'd

Re: LC 8.0 (rc 1) - Again script edtior window disappearing off-screen

2016-04-13 Thread Roland Huettmann
Thank you Richard for your suggestion. ))). And with the help of Panos the reason has been detected. It has something to do with the Preferences file. Now all is ok, script editor appears where is should appear. WINDOWS: CHANGE OR REMOVE OR DELETE PREFERENCE FILE If anybody experiencing

Re: Volunteer github guru for documentation submissions?

2016-04-13 Thread Ali Lloyd
I think the problem with in those two entries is that clipboard (property) is in the references, but it there is no clipboard property, only a clipboard function. So removing that from the references should fix it. On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 6:57 AM J. Landman Gay wrote:

Re: [ANN] Release 8.0.0 RC 1 (Linux)

2016-04-13 Thread Peter TB Brett
On 13/04/2016 05:40, Mark Wieder wrote: The good news: I no longer am seeing a CEF segfault after closing the dictionary and IDE. My guess is that we are no longer using the CEF browser for the dictionary. We are, in fact, still using the CEF-based browser widget for the dictionary.