Re: [ ANN ] Release 8.1.0 DP-3

[Monte Goulding]

> On 17 Aug 2016, at 7:08 AM, Ben Rubinstein  wrote:
> Is there any way in dp3 to step back a bit further, and include libURL in a 
> standalone without including tsNet?

At the moment (and perhaps this will be the long term recommendation rather 
than any preferences) for projects that don’t want to use tsNet you can do the 
following in your main stack initialisation handler (preOpenStack etc):

if the environment is “development” and there is a stack “tsNetLibURL" then
   dispatch “revUnloadLibrary” to stack “tsNetLibURL”
end if

That will cause tsNet to unload itself as the libURL driver and as a standalone 
dependency for libURL.

Cheers

Monte
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Re: Win standalone question

[Phil Davis]

Good idea Richard. Ultimately I may need to do something like that.

Phil


On 8/16/16 3:44 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
LC's standalone settings are removed at build time.  Not sure why, as 
they contain useful info like versions numbers.


I use a custom prop in my mainstack for version and build numbers, 
with a setProp handler that updates the SB settings in sync with it 
when it changes.


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Phil Davis wrote:


In a Windows standalone, how do you retrieve its standalone version info
(the info you entered when building the standalone)?

Here is what my code looks like right now. As you can see, it currently
returns empty for a Win standalone:



function appLongVersion
 switch the platform
 case "MacOS"
 if the environment = "development"
 then return the 
cRevStandaloneSettings["OSX,longVersion"] of me

 else -- it's a standalone
 -- extract info from the plist file
 set the itemDel to slash
 put item 1 to -3 of the filename of me & "/Info.plist"
into tPath
 put url ("file:" & tPath) into tPlist
 replace tab with empty in tPlist
 replace ("" & CR & "") with
("") in tPlist -- put each key/string pair on same line
 filter tPlist with "*CFBundleLongVersionString*" -- the
key name we need
 delete char 1 to offset("",tPlist)+8 of tPlist
-- start line with the string content
 set the itemDel to "<"
 return item 1 of tPlist
 end if
 break
 case "Win32"
 if the environment = "development"
 then return the
cRevStandaloneSettings["Windows,longVersion"] of me
 else -- it's a standalone
 return empty -- ???
 end if
 break
 end switch
end appLongVersion



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Re: [ANN] lcb-mode v0.1.1: Emacs major mode for LCB source code

[Alex Tweedly]

On 16/08/2016 14:44, Richard Gaskin wrote:


Anyone here have an idea what it would take to add a vimKeyBindings?


A brief attack of insanity.

(as in - if you already have Emacs, you'd be insane to waste time on any 
other editor or binding  :-)


-- Alex.

OK, OK, I promise not to start "editor wars".


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Re: Win standalone question

[Richard Gaskin]

LC's standalone settings are removed at build time.  Not sure why, as 
they contain useful info like versions numbers.


I use a custom prop in my mainstack for version and build numbers, with 
a setProp handler that updates the SB settings in sync with it when it 
changes.


--
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 Fourth World Systems

Phil Davis wrote:


In a Windows standalone, how do you retrieve its standalone version info
(the info you entered when building the standalone)?

Here is what my code looks like right now. As you can see, it currently
returns empty for a Win standalone:



function appLongVersion
 switch the platform
 case "MacOS"
 if the environment = "development"
 then return the cRevStandaloneSettings["OSX,longVersion"] of me
 else -- it's a standalone
 -- extract info from the plist file
 set the itemDel to slash
 put item 1 to -3 of the filename of me & "/Info.plist"
into tPath
 put url ("file:" & tPath) into tPlist
 replace tab with empty in tPlist
 replace ("" & CR & "") with
("") in tPlist -- put each key/string pair on same line
 filter tPlist with "*CFBundleLongVersionString*" -- the
key name we need
 delete char 1 to offset("",tPlist)+8 of tPlist
-- start line with the string content
 set the itemDel to "<"
 return item 1 of tPlist
 end if
 break
 case "Win32"
 if the environment = "development"
 then return the
cRevStandaloneSettings["Windows,longVersion"] of me
 else -- it's a standalone
 return empty -- ???
 end if
 break
 end switch
end appLongVersion



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Win standalone question

[Phil Davis]

Hi everyone,

In a Windows standalone, how do you retrieve its standalone version info 
(the info you entered when building the standalone)?


Here is what my code looks like right now. As you can see, it currently 
returns empty for a Win standalone:




function appLongVersion
switch the platform
case "MacOS"
if the environment = "development"
then return the cRevStandaloneSettings["OSX,longVersion"] of me
else -- it's a standalone
-- extract info from the plist file
set the itemDel to slash
put item 1 to -3 of the filename of me & "/Info.plist" 
into tPath

put url ("file:" & tPath) into tPlist
replace tab with empty in tPlist
replace ("" & CR & "") with 
("") in tPlist -- put each key/string pair on same line
filter tPlist with "*CFBundleLongVersionString*" -- the 
key name we need
delete char 1 to offset("",tPlist)+8 of tPlist 
-- start line with the string content

set the itemDel to "<"
return item 1 of tPlist
end if
break
case "Win32"
if the environment = "development"
then return the 
cRevStandaloneSettings["Windows,longVersion"] of me

else -- it's a standalone
return empty -- ???
end if
break
end switch
end appLongVersion



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Phil Davis

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Re: blockchain

[me]

Mike, the issues you are bringing are vital ones actually, not the least bit 
frivolous. Blockchain is like LiveCode's executionContexts property on a global 
scale. "Trust, but verify, Mr. Gorbachev."

Blockchain is distributed trust, which is real (not corporate) trust. That 
said, I'd have to ask you to file away Ethereum's failures as as off-model and 
anomalous.

Best, je...@botz.live

On Aug 16, 2016, 3:45 PM -0500, Mike Kerner , wrote:
> This isn't about connectivity. This is about surviving a catastrophic
> failure at a central authoritative data source, by eliminating the need for
> a central data source. Blockchains are not used to distribute data.
> Blockchains are, in effect, streams of timestamped checksums. Embedded in
> them are all the other timestamped checksums for the chain. Therefore,
> blockchains enable you to determine who has the most current data (or, who
> has the most recent copy of some piece of it).
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Richard Gaskin  > wrote:
>
> > Mike Kerner wrote:
> >
> > > Richard, think Delta Airlines outage.
> >
> > If you hire IT staff that doesn't set up failover or practice disaster
> > recovery, I'm not sure that's a technology problem. :)
> >
> > > Blockchains don't just give you distributed storage, they give you
> > > distributed trust. Being cheap, I turned dropbox, and google
> > > spreadsheets, and Box, and a couple of other services into online
> > > data repositories, i.e. crude DBMS's, because I can do it on the
> > > cheap. But what if one or all of those go down? What if my pipe
> > > goes down?
> >
> > I'm at the edge of completely ignorant about blockchains so forgive me if
> > this question is naive, but if blockchains are a distributed system how can
> > they counter loss of connectivity?
> >
> > > If I have my mobiles on the same network, and a blockchain, maybe I
> > > don't even need a central server. If I have a blockchain, maybe a
> > > cell phone that is on my network can be communicating with the outside
> > > world when the wifi or wired-only devices can't.
> >
> > Don't most carriers allow Internet data over cell networks these days? The
> > connectivity method would seem independent of the distributed storage
> > system, no?
> >
> > The security aspect is indeed interesting. Looking at how banks are
> > increasingly exploring blockchains for document storage is inspiring for
> > many practical applications beyond Bitcoin.
> >
> > What libraries are you wrapping?
> >
> >
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> > 
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Re: [ ANN ] Release 8.1.0 DP-3

[Ben Rubinstein]

On 30/07/2016 09:38, Monte Goulding wrote:
 At the moment we don’t have a facility for turning tsNet off in the event 
you want to use libURL (not really sure why you would want that but I guess 
it’s possible). You can turn tsNet off if you want to with `dispatch 
“revUnloadLibrary" to stack “tsNetLibURL”`


Hi Monte,

Is there any way in dp3 to step back a bit further, and include libURL in a 
standalone without including tsNet?


I've hit a problem on certain operating systems (or it may be just on certain 
machines) which is a complete blocker for me.  It might be fixed quickly (I've 
only just reported it in QCC); and right now I could probably step back to dp-2.


But it might not be fixed quickly; and something else might turn up; and 
libURL has worked well for well over a decade so it would be nice to have the 
option to continue to use it, at least until tsNet is well bedded down.


Ben



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Re: Icon/SVGs resource

[Ben Rubinstein]

Wow, it really is!  NB that to use the icons free there must be a link back to 
the site.


On 16/08/2016 17:48, Richmond wrote:

That's a fantastic resource.

Thanks 1000 times.

Richmond.


On 16.08.2016 18:29, m...@jerrydaniels.com wrote:

Here's what I use: https://icons8.com

Great collections for all devices/OS's
Modern stuff (flat or not)
Colorization before DL
Great newsletter
Great blog

As a web page OR a Mac/Windows App.

Pay OR free

Best, je...@botz.live



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Re: blockchain

[Mike Kerner]

This isn't about connectivity.  This is about surviving a catastrophic
failure at a central authoritative data source, by eliminating the need for
a central data source.  Blockchains are not used to distribute data.
Blockchains are, in effect, streams of timestamped checksums.  Embedded in
them are all the other timestamped checksums for the chain.  Therefore,
blockchains enable you to determine who has the most current data (or, who
has the most recent copy of some piece of it).

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Richard Gaskin  wrote:

> Mike Kerner wrote:
>
> > Richard, think Delta Airlines outage.
>
> If you hire IT staff that doesn't set up failover or practice disaster
> recovery, I'm not sure that's a technology problem. :)
>
> > Blockchains don't just give you distributed storage, they give you
> > distributed trust.  Being cheap, I turned dropbox, and google
> > spreadsheets, and Box, and a couple of other services into online
> > data repositories, i.e. crude DBMS's, because I can do it on the
> > cheap.  But what if one or all of those go down?  What if my pipe
> > goes down?
>
> I'm at the edge of completely ignorant about blockchains so forgive me if
> this question is naive, but if blockchains are a distributed system how can
> they counter loss of connectivity?
>
> > If I have my mobiles on the same network, and a blockchain, maybe I
> > don't even need a central server.  If I have a blockchain, maybe a
> > cell phone that is on my network can be communicating with the outside
> > world when the wifi or wired-only devices can't.
>
> Don't most carriers allow Internet data over cell networks these days? The
> connectivity method would seem independent of the distributed storage
> system, no?
>
> The security aspect is indeed interesting.  Looking at how banks are
> increasingly exploring blockchains for document storage is inspiring for
> many practical applications beyond Bitcoin.
>
> What libraries are you wrapping?
>
>
> --
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>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  
>  ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com
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Re: using windows playback via livecode 8

[J. Landman Gay]

Yesterday I got a tech support question from a Surface Pro 3 user. Our 
LC standalone (built in LC 7.1.4) wouldn't even launch. I suspect it's 
because the Surface is running in 64-bit.


Does your Surface run with LC 8?

On 8/16/2016 2:07 PM, Jeff Reynolds wrote:

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone has had good luck playing back HD quality
video on a MS Surface book using livecode 8 and the new windows
playback system that uses the direct show libraries.

A client wants to be able to playback full screen HD videos on the
surface from a presentation interface that is normally used to
control a dedicated video server. I have done this for years on
macbook pros to the external and laptop video and low res videos on
desktop screens with windows but always using quicktime in the past.
Now with win 10 I assume that should not be done even if we could get
an old qt installed.

They wanted ipad but the bundling and such necessary of all the
assets which need updating now and then was way too much work for
what was needed. If we can just play the windows version from the
Surface like we do with the macbook pro then it should be a pretty
simple modification.

The surface book specs look like its decent graphics to do this, but
always a bit of a guess if this stuff will play well on hardware
until tested. years back when I had to do this on the mac, the apple
store manager let me actually bring in a monitor and also run my
software from a flash drive to test if the macbook pros at the time
could do it! luckily it did. Not sure MS store will let me do this
but going to give it a whirl.

Thanks

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using windows playback via livecode 8

[Jeff Reynolds]

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone has had good luck playing back HD quality video on a 
MS Surface book using livecode 8 and the new windows playback system that uses 
the direct show libraries.

A client wants to be able to playback full screen HD videos on the surface from 
a presentation interface that is normally used to control a dedicated video 
server. I have done this for years on macbook pros to the external and laptop 
video and low res videos on desktop screens with windows but always using 
quicktime in the past. Now with win 10 I assume that should not be done even if 
we could get an old qt installed.

They wanted ipad but the bundling and such necessary of all the assets which 
need updating now and then was way too much work for what was needed. If we can 
just play the windows version from the Surface like we do with the macbook pro 
then it should be a pretty simple modification. 

The surface book specs look like its decent graphics to do this, but always a 
bit of a guess if this stuff will play well on hardware until tested. years 
back when I had to do this on the mac, the apple store manager let me actually 
bring in a monitor and also run my software from a flash drive to test if the 
macbook pros at the time could do it! luckily it did. Not sure MS store will 
let me do this but going to give it a whirl.

Thanks

jeff
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RE: [on-rev] Diesel Is Down

[Ralph DiMola]

Seems to be back up. I was getting intermittent pings and even the on-rev
status page was hanging while retrieving server status.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
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-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Jerry Jensen
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 2:53 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: [on-rev] Diesel Is Down

Diesel is OK for me. CPanel and sites work. No fixed IP#. Very generic
setup.
.Jerry

> On Aug 16, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Phil Davis  wrote:
> 
> You're not alone, Ralph!
> 
> When I try to login via ssh, I get this:
>Could not resolve hostname : nodename nor servname
provided, or not known
> 
> When I try to load a page in Chrome, it says the "server DNS address could
not be found".
> 
> So this time you're not a bonehead. :-)  Or else we both are.
> 
> Phil Davis
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/16/16 11:33 AM, Ralph DiMola wrote:
>> Anyone else having diesel problems? I notified David with emergency
support request. I hope it's not just me I'll look like a bone-head.
>> 
>> Ralph DiMola
>> IT Director
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Re: [on-rev] Diesel Is Down

[Jerry Jensen]

Diesel is OK for me. CPanel and sites work. No fixed IP#. Very generic setup.
.Jerry

> On Aug 16, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Phil Davis  wrote:
> 
> You're not alone, Ralph!
> 
> When I try to login via ssh, I get this:
>Could not resolve hostname : nodename nor servname provided, 
> or not known
> 
> When I try to load a page in Chrome, it says the "server DNS address could 
> not be found".
> 
> So this time you're not a bonehead. :-)  Or else we both are.
> 
> Phil Davis
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/16/16 11:33 AM, Ralph DiMola wrote:
>> Anyone else having diesel problems? I notified David with emergency support 
>> request. I hope it's not just me I'll look like a bone-head.
>> 
>> Ralph DiMola
>> IT Director
>> Evergreen Information Services
>> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
>> 
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Re: [on-rev] Diesel Is Down

[Phil Davis]

You're not alone, Ralph!

When I try to login via ssh, I get this:
Could not resolve hostname : nodename nor servname 
provided, or not known


When I try to load a page in Chrome, it says the "server DNS address 
could not be found".


So this time you're not a bonehead. :-)  Or else we both are.

Phil Davis



On 8/16/16 11:33 AM, Ralph DiMola wrote:

Anyone else having diesel problems? I notified David with emergency support 
request. I hope it's not just me I'll look like a bone-head.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
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Re: [on-rev] Diesel Is Down

[Matthias Rebbe]

Just checked a domain of my customer. Diesel is up and running.

Is your site is still not available. If so, do you have a dedicated ip  or is 
your site using Diesesl´s ip?

The site of my customer is Not using a dedicated ip. 

Regards,
Matthias



> Am 16.08.2016 um 20:33 schrieb Ralph DiMola :
> 
> Anyone else having diesel problems? I notified David with emergency support 
> request. I hope it's not just me I'll look like a bone-head.
> 
> Ralph DiMola
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[on-rev] Diesel Is Down

[Ralph DiMola]

Anyone else having diesel problems? I notified David with emergency support 
request. I hope it's not just me I'll look like a bone-head.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
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Re: Ideas for LiveCode workshops - help needed

[Dave Kilroy]

Thank you all for your ideas, questions and suggestions

First of all, as regards who will be coming to the workshop - basically I’ll 
take anyone with a pulse (might even take the undead…). 

Therefore I have to cater for a wide range of capabilities. Maybe in the future 
when I have more of an established audience/group here I can do stuff more 
tailored to what they need but as of now I need to cater for as wide an 
audience as possible (hence my email to the usegroup)

That said, from other workshops I’ve done here I think I’ll have two main types 
- those who are completely new to coding and those who are proficient in other 
languages and want to give LiveCode a whirl…

It sounds like between us all LiveCoders we have a long list of training we 
would like to receive ourselves, if I have time I’ll set up a Facebook survey 
thingy to see what the most popular workshop topics might be - and from there 
we could see what ways we would have to addressing that need.

So as to my workshop on September 17th, I think I’m gravitating towards the fun 
‘scribbling-on-photos-of-your-friends’ app idea - I know how to do a basic 
version of scribbling on mobile and if others were to donate more advanced 
graphic-effect snippets (I’m looking at you John) that would be lovely to keep 
my more advanced participants happy

Kind regards

Dave

PS: Come to Plymouth on September 17th for a fun day with LiveCode! 
http://www.meetup.com/The-THINQTANQ-Events-Meetups-and-More-in-Plymouth/events/226749341/
 

PPS: the £10 charge goes to the venue and not to me...


> Ditto what Graham said: 
> 
> We semi-proficient coders hit the wall when we create a scrolling group on 
> desktop and then transfer to our iPhone and it doesn't scroll or set a simple 
> player to a URL for an mp3 on web server and discover that you need a to 
> create a mobile player. What if you have content (a little puzzle game) that 
> really should only be viewed/locked down in landscape?  and this is on card 3 
> of a stack that is otherwise portrait? on desktop it’s a 4-line-of-code 
> simple resize trick. "Wow Livecode is so cool" newbie feels proud they 
> figured that out. Not so on mobile. For the level of workshop you are 
> targeting perhaps (my guess) this would probably be an "advanced track" .. 
> these are the things that someone Javascript person watching over your 
> shoulder says "really, why don't you do this all in HTML 5?"  because it like 
> its  s hard (in livecode) and the html5 world has thousands of answers…" 
> [I'm not buying it yet. I've seen some of these html5 apps with their snake 
> pit of libraries and dependencies and 5 times the lines of code in the end 
> and the endless javascript debugging of what doesn't-quite-work-right yet… 
> until the code becomes so opaque that even the developer himself can hardly 
> read it 6 months later. Give me LC any day… but some things are stil too hard 
> in LC.] 
> 
> And, yes: iOS provisioning, Android developer ID et al: a dark grey mountain 
> of mystery that needs sunlight for the newbie. after a year.. I *think* have 
> iOS pretty much figured… but still putting off building for android locally. 
> Challenge is, non-professionals are no doing this day-in-day-out so we really 
> depend on thorough documentation and examples, that is missing in manby cases 
> or out of date (Livecode lessons are pretty good for some things, but not 
> all) 
> 
> So your work shop can include supplementary material on "where to find what 
> you need to know; disclaimer, everything you need to know may or many not be 
> there." 
> 
> BR 
> 
> 
>> Graham Samuel" <[hidden email] 
>> 
>>  on behalf of [hidden email] 
>> >
>>  wrote: 
>> 
>> so I’d like to see a workshop that creates a trivial app (say a 
>> variation on the clock/stopwatch theme - but it could be anything), 
>> discusses the differences (if any) needed in the code for different 
>> platforms, and which is then actually installed on all the available 
>> platforms, indicating all the pitfalls of deploying on iOS, Android, Mac, 
>> Windows, Linux - what installer software to use, getting stuff 
>> approved/certificated etc. and including a jargon-buster for the deployment 
>> end of things ("what’s device provisioning?" for example). 
>> 
>>> On 4 Aug 2016, at 23:50, Dave Kilroy  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you all for your ideas and suggestions!
>>> 
>>> I’m summarising them as follows:
>>> A drag and drop matching game. 
>>> A to-do list app. 
>>> A simple e-reader app. 
>>> A walking tour app with a map that you can click for additional information 
>>> and photos. 
>>> An app that helps with web research (grab text and images, write notes & 
>>> emails, filter a

Re: Icon/SVGs resource

[me]

Richmond, Bob...my pleasure!

Best, je...@botz.live

On Aug 16, 2016, 11:48 AM -0500, Richmond , wrote:
> That's a fantastic resource.
>
> Thanks 1000 times.
>
> Richmond.
>
>
> On 16.08.2016 18:29, m...@jerrydaniels.com wrote:
> > Here's what I use: https://icons8.com
> >
> > Great collections for all devices/OS's
> > Modern stuff (flat or not)
> > Colorization before DL
> > Great newsletter
> > Great blog
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> > As a web page OR a Mac/Windows App.
> >
> > Pay OR free
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Re: Icon/SVGs resource

[Richmond]

That's a fantastic resource.

Thanks 1000 times.

Richmond.


On 16.08.2016 18:29, m...@jerrydaniels.com wrote:

Here's what I use: https://icons8.com

Great collections for all devices/OS's
Modern stuff (flat or not)
Colorization before DL
Great newsletter
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Re: [ANN] lcb-mode v0.1.1: Emacs major mode for LCB source code

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:12 AM, Peter TB Brett 
wrote:

> but Emacs remains nice and responsive.


Wow.

In over 30 years, that's the first time I've heard *anyone *say that.

:)


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Re: Icon/SVGs resource

[Bob Sneidar]

Nice even. 

Bob S


> On Aug 16, 2016, at 09:36 , Bob Sneidar  wrote:
> 
> Hey! Nite to hear from Jerry again. :-)
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 


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Re: Icon/SVGs resource

[Bob Sneidar]

Hey! Nite to hear from Jerry again. :-)

Bob S


> On Aug 16, 2016, at 08:29 , m...@jerrydaniels.com wrote:
> 
> Here's what I use: https://icons8.com
> 
> Great collections for all devices/OS's
> Modern stuff (flat or not)
> Colorization before DL
> Great newsletter
> Great blog
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Re: [ANN] lcb-mode v0.1.1: Emacs major mode for LCB source code

[Peter TB Brett]

On 16/08/2016 16:52, Warren Samples wrote:

On 08/16/2016 08:44 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Peter TB Brett wrote:

  Emacs


vim



Whooboy! Fun time's a startin'!


'S'all kickin' off around here!

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Re: [ANN] lcb-mode v0.1.1: Emacs major mode for LCB source code

[Warren Samples]

On 08/16/2016 08:44 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Peter TB Brett wrote:

  Emacs


vim




Whooboy! Fun time's a startin'!

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Icon/SVGs resource

[me]

Here's what I use: https://icons8.com

Great collections for all devices/OS's
Modern stuff (flat or not)
Colorization before DL
Great newsletter
Great blog

As a web page OR a Mac/Windows App.

Pay OR free

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Re: [ANN] lcb-mode v0.1.1: Emacs major mode for LCB source code

[Peter TB Brett]

On 16/08/2016 16:20, Graham Samuel wrote:


Although I thought I'd learned enough at the LC conference about LCB
to start making widgets, your mail seems to suggest a whole world I
have no idea about. Emacs? MELPA? Can you put this in some kind of
context for us LC coders? Even github is unknown territory to me.


Emacs: A classic and very highly-extensible text editor that's been 
around since the 1980s.  Beloved of developers working on Linux and 
other Unix-like operating systems.


MELPA: An archive of community-created extensions for Emacs.

I have created an extension for Emacs to help people who like using 
Emacs to use it for working on LiveCode Builder files.  I have added it 
to MELPA so that it is easy to install.


If you're happy with using Atom, you don't need to worry about it!

 Peter

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Re: [ANN] lcb-mode v0.1.1: Emacs major mode for LCB source code

[Graham Samuel]

Peter

Although I thought I'd learned enough at the LC conference about LCB to start 
making widgets, your mail seems to suggest a whole world I have no idea about. 
Emacs? MELPA? Can you put this in some kind of context for us LC coders? Even 
github is unknown territory to me.

TIA

Graham

Sent from my iPhone

> On 16 Aug 2016, at 08:54, Peter TB Brett  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
>  == Emacs lcb-mode 0.1.1 ==
> 
> lcb-mode is a major mode for Emacs that adds syntax highlighting and 
> indentation for editing LiveCode Builder (.lcb) source files.
> 
> == Installation
> 
> 1. Add the MELPA community package repository: https://melpa.org/
> 2. Do "M-x package-install lcb-mode"
> 
> Please visit https://github.com/peter-b/lcb-mode for more details.
> 
> == Notable changes in 0.1.1
> 
> * Full indentation support for LCB code, including:
>  * good handling of continued lines
>  * indentation for all core language block syntax
> * Syntax highlighting support:
>  * all core language block syntax
>  * some core language statements
>  * string-based highlighting for user constants and variables
> * Installable from MELPA package repository
> 
> == Reporting problems
> 
> Please report issues to https://github.com/peter-b/lcb-mode/issues
> 
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> LiveCode Technical Project Manager
> 
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reposting for Heather: corrupted stack

[Mark Wieder]

Cool.
I have another corrupted stack (my second since the 8.x release).
I'll send this off to the team, but just wanted to post the fact here.
It's a bit of a weird thing: the stack is in 2.4 format, and works fine 
there.

But it segfaults in LC8 on both linux and osx.
And I removed the scripts, so it's just a stack with a button.

Exception Type:EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV)
Exception Codes:  KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS at 0x0034
Exception Note:EXC_CORPSE_NOTIFY

Whee!

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Re: blockchain

[Richard Gaskin]

Mike Kerner wrote:

> Richard, think Delta Airlines outage.

If you hire IT staff that doesn't set up failover or practice disaster 
recovery, I'm not sure that's a technology problem. :)


> Blockchains don't just give you distributed storage, they give you
> distributed trust.  Being cheap, I turned dropbox, and google
> spreadsheets, and Box, and a couple of other services into online
> data repositories, i.e. crude DBMS's, because I can do it on the
> cheap.  But what if one or all of those go down?  What if my pipe
> goes down?

I'm at the edge of completely ignorant about blockchains so forgive me 
if this question is naive, but if blockchains are a distributed system 
how can they counter loss of connectivity?


> If I have my mobiles on the same network, and a blockchain, maybe I
> don't even need a central server.  If I have a blockchain, maybe a
> cell phone that is on my network can be communicating with the outside
> world when the wifi or wired-only devices can't.

Don't most carriers allow Internet data over cell networks these days? 
The connectivity method would seem independent of the distributed 
storage system, no?


The security aspect is indeed interesting.  Looking at how banks are 
increasingly exploring blockchains for document storage is inspiring for 
many practical applications beyond Bitcoin.


What libraries are you wrapping?

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Re: [ANN] lcb-mode v0.1.1: Emacs major mode for LCB source code

[Peter TB Brett]

On 16/08/2016 13:46, Mike Kerner wrote:

For those of us who haven't used emacs in a couple of decades, what is the
difference between it and Atom, these days?


(This e-mail discusses running Emacs on Linux.  The last time I checked, 
Emacs on Mac OS was a bit flaky.)


- Emacs has _really good_ editing modes for almost every text-based file 
format and programming language under the sun.  I've used it for 
programming in C, C++, Java, Scheme, ANSI Lisp, Elisp, Bash, Python, R, 
JavaScript, Rust, MATLAB/Octave, LiveCode Builder, several variants of 
assembly, PostScript, Make, VHDL, Verilog, IDL, LaTeX, M4, Awk, Perl, 
and probably some other languages that I've forgotten about.  In 
generally, if it's text-based, I can usually open it in Emacs and just 
get on with it [1].


- Emacs has a large memory footprint, but Atom uses HUGE amounts of 
memory.  The same goes for CPU usage.  On one of my older computers, 
Atom is really very sluggish, but Emacs remains nice and responsive.


- Integration with stuff.  Emacs has lots of really nice extensions!  I 
can do version control with git, compile programs and analyse the logs, 
run a debugger, send e-mail, and even chat on IRC from inside Emacs.


Of course the main reason I use Emacs is that its keybindings and other 
features are now programmed into my brain. ;-)


Peter

[1] There are some exceptions, such as gentle, the compiler-specific 
language that much of lc-compile is written in.


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Re: blockchain

[me]

Mike, follow the project via email signup here: http://botz.live

I'll be coming up for air in a few days and able to discuss more with you then.

Best, Jerry

On Aug 16, 2016, 7:59 AM -0500, Mike Kerner , wrote:
> Jerry, I'm interested, so please share, off list or on.
> Richard, think Delta Airlines outage. Blockchains don't just give you
> distributed storage, they give you distributed trust. Being cheap, I
> turned dropbox, and google spreadsheets, and Box, and a couple of other
> services into online data repositories, i.e. crude DBMS's, because I can do
> it on the cheap. But what if one or all of those go down? What if my pipe
> goes down? If I have my mobiles on the same network, and a blockchain,
> maybe I don't even need a central server. If I have a blockchain, maybe a
> cell phone that is on my network can be communicating with the outside
> world when the wifi or wired-only devices can't.
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Richard Gaskin  wrote:
>
> > Mike Kerner wrote:
> >
> > > Has anyone thought about implementing something similar to a
> > > blockchain in LC? I've been noggining this for a long time,
> > > but I haven't gotten far enough to talk about it.
> >
> > What sort of application did you have in mind for this? And why
> > blockchain specifically over other types of distributed storage?
> >
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> > 
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Re: [ANN] lcb-mode v0.1.1: Emacs major mode for LCB source code

[Richard Gaskin]

Peter TB Brett wrote:

   == Emacs lcb-mode 0.1.1 ==

lcb-mode is a major mode for Emacs that adds syntax highlighting and
indentation for editing LiveCode Builder (.lcb) source files.

== Installation

1. Add the MELPA community package repository: https://melpa.org/
2. Do "M-x package-install lcb-mode"

Please visit https://github.com/peter-b/lcb-mode for more details.

== Notable changes in 0.1.1

* Full indentation support for LCB code, including:
   * good handling of continued lines
   * indentation for all core language block syntax
* Syntax highlighting support:
   * all core language block syntax
   * some core language statements
   * string-based highlighting for user constants and variables
* Installable from MELPA package repository

== Reporting problems

Please report issues to https://github.com/peter-b/lcb-mode/issues


Cool stuff.

Reminds me: does the emacsKeyBindings global property still work in LC?

Anyone here have an idea what it would take to add a vimKeyBindings?

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Re: blockchain

[Mike Kerner]

Jerry, I'm interested, so please share, off list or on.
Richard, think Delta Airlines outage.  Blockchains don't just give you
distributed storage, they give you distributed trust.  Being cheap, I
turned dropbox, and google spreadsheets, and Box, and a couple of other
services into online data repositories, i.e. crude DBMS's, because I can do
it on the cheap.  But what if one or all of those go down?  What if my pipe
goes down?  If I have my mobiles on the same network, and a blockchain,
maybe I don't even need a central server.  If I have a blockchain, maybe a
cell phone that is on my network can be communicating with the outside
world when the wifi or wired-only devices can't.

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Richard Gaskin 
wrote:

> Mike Kerner wrote:
>
> > Has anyone thought about implementing something similar to a
> > blockchain in LC?  I've been noggining this for a long time,
> > but I haven't gotten far enough to talk about it.
>
> What sort of application did you have in mind for this?  And why
> blockchain specifically over other types of distributed storage?
>
> --
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>  
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Re: [ANN] lcb-mode v0.1.1: Emacs major mode for LCB source code

[Mike Kerner]

For those of us who haven't used emacs in a couple of decades, what is the
difference between it and Atom, these days?

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:54 AM, Peter TB Brett 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>   == Emacs lcb-mode 0.1.1 ==
>
> lcb-mode is a major mode for Emacs that adds syntax highlighting and
> indentation for editing LiveCode Builder (.lcb) source files.
>
> == Installation
>
> 1. Add the MELPA community package repository: https://melpa.org/
> 2. Do "M-x package-install lcb-mode"
>
> Please visit https://github.com/peter-b/lcb-mode for more details.
>
> == Notable changes in 0.1.1
>
> * Full indentation support for LCB code, including:
>   * good handling of continued lines
>   * indentation for all core language block syntax
> * Syntax highlighting support:
>   * all core language block syntax
>   * some core language statements
>   * string-based highlighting for user constants and variables
> * Installable from MELPA package repository
>
> == Reporting problems
>
> Please report issues to https://github.com/peter-b/lcb-mode/issues
>
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> LiveCode Technical Project Manager
>
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[blog] Flipbit in LiveCode

[Heather Laine]

Folks, a new blog post just went up on rather a cool LC project:

https://livecode.com/how-livecode-enables-flipbit-technology-and-our-kickstarter-project/
 


Enjoy!

Heather

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Re: plist (was Re: problem using mergDropbox under 8.1.0. dp 3)

[Monte Goulding]

> On 16 Aug 2016, at 7:48 PM, Ben Rubinstein  wrote:
> 
> I have a vague memory that LC has introduced a way to make incremental 
> changes to the plist, rather than just overriding the generated one 
> completely - but I can't find any reference to this anywhere. Did I imagine 
> it?

You did… we have something a bit like that for entitlements now. It would be 
nice to do it for plists and manifests also though.

Cheers

Monte
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plist (was Re: problem using mergDropbox under 8.1.0. dp 3)

[Ben Rubinstein]

Monte's nailed it as usual. POBKAC - no bug report to file... Thanks Monte!

I have a vague memory that LC has introduced a way to make incremental changes 
to the plist, rather than just overriding the generated one completely - but I 
can't find any reference to this anywhere. Did I imagine it?


Many thanks,

Ben


On 15/08/2016 21:28, Monte Goulding wrote:

Hmm… you haven’t somehow lost your custom URL from standalone settings have 
you? Failing that then yes please open a report.


On 15 Aug 2016, at 10:44 PM, Ben Rubinstein  wrote:

I was using mergDropbox in iOS 7, before LC acquired the suite. I believe that 
I also had it working under 8.0.x, before the advent of the inclusions tab in 
the standalone builder (but can't now be certain - I've decided to stay on the 
bleeding edge for anything later than 7, and recently purged all my 
intermediate 8 versions. I can check if it becomes relevant.).

The same stack under 8.1.0 dp 3 is now failing to link to a dropbox folder. The 
call to mergDropboxSetup (in openStack) returns empty, as I'd hope; a call to 
mergDropboxIsLinked correctly returns false; however, a call afterwards to 
mergDropboxLink simply returns empty, where I'd expect it to throw up a Dropbox 
authorisation request.

Subsequent calls to e.g. mergDropboxLoadMetadata not unreasonably throw errors 
of the form
mergDropboxLoadMetadataError: Error Domain=dropbox.com Code=400 "(null)" 
UserInfo={error_description=No auth function available for given request, path=/, 
error=invalid_request}

Before I log this in the QCC, is there something straightforward that I need to 
do differently to make this work?

Many thanks,

Ben



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