Re: Can we move the use-list to a Google Chat

[Mark Wieder]

On 09/30/2016 03:12 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


but I'm not sure if they're active
- anyone have a URL for those?


Ah - there's the rub. For anything not maintained by the mothership, you 
have to know where it is in order to find it.


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Re: Can we move the use-list to a Google Chat

[Mark Wieder]

On 09/30/2016 06:43 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Nabble has been mentioned if you need to search. There's a duplicate
archive at Gmane as well, with a slightly different interface:



Sorry, Gmane's been gone for a while now.

Had a better UI than Nabble, IMO, but it got to be too much work to 
maintain. The obituary is posted .


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TSNet and proxies

[J. Landman Gay]

Does TSNet automatically handle connections that go through a proxy 
server? Or is there something our app needs to do to make that work?


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Re: Can we move the use-list to a Google Chat

[J. Landman Gay]

On 9/30/16 2:53 PM, William Jamieson wrote:

I don't really understand the use-list's format


It isn't hard. Filter the emails into a folder in your email client, or 
subscribe to the digest instead if you only want a single (large-ish) 
email per day. The digest is a compilation of all posts in the last 
24-hour period.


If you see something you want to respond to, hit "Reply" and start 
typing, then send the email. It will go to the list. If you are replying 
to a digest, please do remove all the posts except for a short exerpt 
from the one you are answering. Some of the digests can get large and 
you don't want to quote all of it.




As a person who wants to be involved with the community, and seeing that
the answers to a lot of problems and issues are contained in this massive,
unindexed, scattered, blob, of words that spans thousands of emails in my
inbox, I would like to make a plea to use any alternative that works.


It works very well for all of us who are here. This has come up many 
times in the past and the listserve lives on. We like it.


Nabble has been mentioned if you need to search. There's a duplicate 
archive at Gmane as well, with a slightly different interface:



Some of us save snippets of useful material in a LiveCode stack, or text 
files, or whatever system they prefer. For retrieving old info I didn't 
save, I generally hit Nabble.


I depend on the list for the fastest responses possible because not only 
is someone always awake and reading it, but most of the pros are here 
and they often have answers to fairly obscure problems. I read the 
forums via its email digest because that comes to my mailbox as well. I 
never visit the forums unless I see something in the digest I want to 
answer.


I don't have time to actively peruse a web site, and web sites are far 
slower to navigate than emails, even with a fast connection (which not 
everyone has.) Basically, if the info doesn't come to me, I won't see it.


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Re: Get a Hacktoberfest t-shirt

[Monte Goulding]

Hi Folks

I just wanted to point out this is not just about contributing to the LiveCode 
repositories although you are more than welcome. You can contribute to anything 
on GitHub to earn your shirt. So go add that API you want in revIgniter or that 
extra property you’d like on one of Trevor’s widgets.

If you have a project hosted on GitHub feel free to reply to this with some 
things from your todo list that you think would be good for someone to have a 
go at.

BTW these are comfy shirts if last year’s is anything to go by ;-)

Cheers

Monte
> On 1 Oct 2016, at 2:47 AM, Heather Laine  wrote:
> 
> Dear List Folks,
> 
> Contribute to open source LiveCode and get yourself a free t-shirt:
> 
> https://livecode.com/get-a-hacktoberfest-t-shirt-by-contributing-to-livecode/ 
> 
> 
> What else is there to say?
> 
> Warm Regards,
> 
> Heather
> 
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> LiveCode Ltd
> www.livecode.com
> 
> 
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Re: Can we move the use-list to a Google Chat

[Mark Schonewille]

No.

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Op 30-Sep-16 om 21:53 schreef William Jamieson:

I was raised with a computer, with facebook for my friends and google as my
study guide. I don't really understand the use-list's format and have only
attempted to read it maybe 5 times in the 2 years I have been on it.

Forums are great but still remind me of my childhood and are generally used
for specific issues. I would really like a Slack thread that can be
indexed, but to ask people to move away from email might be a little too
technological for most.

As a person who wants to be involved with the community, and seeing that
the answers to a lot of problems and issues are contained in this massive,
unindexed, scattered, blob, of words that spans thousands of emails in my
inbox, I would like to make a plea to use any alternative that works.

I understand that the use-list is for the OG's but let me ask you, at what
cost is it acceptable? Even for the OG's, let me ask you, how many
solutions pointers to the problems you have had do you think are contained
within the history of the use-list? Can you pull them up quickly in an
organized fashion?


William D Jamieson
Amplifiid Education
Co-Founder
(408) 692-5356
www.amplifiideducation.com
williamdjamie...@gmail.com





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Re: Can we move the use-list to a Google Chat

[Peter M . Brigham]

> On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Mike Kerner  wrote:
> 
> I get the inability to search the archive for n00bs.  That's a problem.
> For those of us who receive these messages in one of our google accounts,
> it isn't a problem.  In my case I have a hair under 13,000 threads that I
> have received since my arrival in the LC community. I wonder if Edinburgh
> has something resembling a searchable index for the n00bs, though.

Nabble has a searchable index of the messages posted to the listserv:

http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/

> 
> 
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Skip Kimpel  wrote:
> 
>> Same here. -1 for Google Chat.  I much prefer a listserv for the same
>> reason Matthias referred to as it is quick and easy to respond to using a
>> tool (email) that is in my face 24/7.
>> 
>> SKIP
>> 
>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Matthias Rebbe <
>> matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de> wrote:
>> 
>>> Google Chat would be a NoGo for me.
>>> 
>>> My mail app is opened all the day anyway, so the mailing list is the best
>>> solution for me.
>>> I know that the forum is also a good source of help and knowledge and i
>> am
>>> trying to visit it as often as possible.
>>> Just today i installed an RSS reader to be up to date with new forum
>> posts.
>>> But the mailing list will be my number one source.
>>> Why, because i can read and respond very quick and easily.
>>> 
>>> Google Chat or any other web based system would stop me to participate in
>>> discussions or at least it would stop me to participate regularly in
>>> discussions.
>>> 
>>> But that´s just my opinion.
>>> 
>>> Matthias
>>> 
 Am 30.09.2016 um 21:53 schrieb William Jamieson <
>>> williamdjamie...@gmail.com>:
 
 I was raised with a computer, with facebook for my friends and google
>> as
>>> my
 study guide. I don't really understand the use-list's format and have
>>> only
 attempted to read it maybe 5 times in the 2 years I have been on it.
 
 Forums are great but still remind me of my childhood and are generally
>>> used
 for specific issues. I would really like a Slack thread that can be
 indexed, but to ask people to move away from email might be a little
>> too
 technological for most.
 
 As a person who wants to be involved with the community, and seeing
>> that
 the answers to a lot of problems and issues are contained in this
>>> massive,
 unindexed, scattered, blob, of words that spans thousands of emails in
>> my
 inbox, I would like to make a plea to use any alternative that works.
 
 I understand that the use-list is for the OG's but let me ask you, at
>>> what
 cost is it acceptable? Even for the OG's, let me ask you, how many
 solutions pointers to the problems you have had do you think are
>>> contained
 within the history of the use-list? Can you pull them up quickly in an
 organized fashion?
 
 
 William D Jamieson
 Amplifiid Education
 Co-Founder
 (408) 692-5356
 www.amplifiideducation.com
 williamdjamie...@gmail.com
 
 
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Re: Can we move the use-list to a Google Chat

[Mike Kerner]

With this gmail account, I also have a filter and a "label" set up, so all
the livecode stuff ends up in one place, separated from the rest of the
traffic.

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 6:45 PM, William Prothero 
wrote:

>
> Folks:
> I’m on my email several times a day. The first category I check are the
> postings from this listserve. It’s within my flow. When I go to the forum,
> I see a bunch of topics. I only go to any that I’m interested in and it’s
> pretty rare that I go there except for a topic I’m following.
>
> The listserve posts I see are often surprising, offering information I
> didn’t know I needed. That’s what I like about it.
>
> I would miss this listserve.
> Best,
> Bill
>
> William Prothero, Ph.D.
> University of California, Santa Barbara, Emeritus
> proth...@earthednet.org
>
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Re: Can we move the use-list to a Google Chat

[William Prothero]

Folks:
I’m on my email several times a day. The first category I check are the 
postings from this listserve. It’s within my flow. When I go to the forum, I 
see a bunch of topics. I only go to any that I’m interested in and it’s pretty 
rare that I go there except for a topic I’m following.

The listserve posts I see are often surprising, offering information I didn’t 
know I needed. That’s what I like about it.

I would miss this listserve.
Best,
Bill

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University of California, Santa Barbara, Emeritus
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Re: Can we move the use-list to a Google Chat

[stephen barncard]

Us old timers have been having this discussion for years.Some of us
have been on the same kind of listserv since Apple ][ days. It seems to
work.
This list's success is directly related to it's serial nature.
We're all in the same room, and we get exposed to a lot of things that
would be missed otherwise.

William, I suggest you get a good mailer that works for you and try
handling this list that way.
Gmail is always good with the best spam filters in the business.

Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
mixstream.org

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 3:38 PM,  wrote:

> Ask a group on listserv if they want listserv, and what do you get?
> Listserv.
>
> Best, Jerry
>
> On Sep 30, 2016, 5:13 PM -0500, Richard Gaskin ,
> wrote:
> > FWIW I don't see this as an XOR operation, but an AND.
> >
> > Some like the categorized, searchable forums.
> >
> > Others like the continuum flow of this list, searchable in Nabble:
> > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/
> >
> > Others like FB:
> > https://www.facebook.com/groups/livecodeusers/
> >
> > ...or G+:
> > https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/109731058120269230218
> >
> > ...or LinkedIn, where our group now has over 2500 members:
> > https://www.linkedin.com/groups/50811
> >
> > (With LinkedIn being the premier professional space in social media,
> > home to many budding software entrepreneurs, please consider joining
> > that group and adding a post there now and then to raise its visibility
> > there.)
> >
> > And some love IRC. I know a good many people who spend lots of time in
> > IRC, and a lot of major FOSS projects who use it for meetings - and of
> > course we have a LiveCode channel there, on freenode:
> > https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#livecode
> >
> > There were a couple Slack groups too, but I'm not sure if they're active
> > - anyone have a URL for those?
> >
> > Communities grow organically around whatever communications channels the
> > members enjoy.
> >
> > All are indexable content, so all venues benefit all of us using
> LiveCode.
> >
> > Let a thousand flowers bloom
> >
> > --
> > Richard Gaskin
> > Fourth World Systems
> > Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> > 
> > ambassa...@fourthworld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com
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Re: Can we move the use-list to a Google Chat

[me]

Ask a group on listserv if they want listserv, and what do you get? Listserv.

Best, Jerry

On Sep 30, 2016, 5:13 PM -0500, Richard Gaskin , 
wrote:
> FWIW I don't see this as an XOR operation, but an AND.
>
> Some like the categorized, searchable forums.
>
> Others like the continuum flow of this list, searchable in Nabble:
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/
>
> Others like FB:
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/livecodeusers/
>
> ...or G+:
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/109731058120269230218
>
> ...or LinkedIn, where our group now has over 2500 members:
> https://www.linkedin.com/groups/50811
>
> (With LinkedIn being the premier professional space in social media,
> home to many budding software entrepreneurs, please consider joining
> that group and adding a post there now and then to raise its visibility
> there.)
>
> And some love IRC. I know a good many people who spend lots of time in
> IRC, and a lot of major FOSS projects who use it for meetings - and of
> course we have a LiveCode channel there, on freenode:
> https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#livecode
>
> There were a couple Slack groups too, but I'm not sure if they're active
> - anyone have a URL for those?
>
> Communities grow organically around whatever communications channels the
> members enjoy.
>
> All are indexable content, so all venues benefit all of us using LiveCode.
>
> Let a thousand flowers bloom
>
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> 
> ambassa...@fourthworld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com
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Re: Can we move the use-list to a Google Chat

[Richard Gaskin]

FWIW I don't see this as an XOR operation, but an AND.

Some like the categorized, searchable forums.

Others like the continuum flow of this list, searchable in Nabble:
http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/

Others like FB:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/livecodeusers/

...or G+:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/109731058120269230218

...or LinkedIn, where our group now has over 2500 members:
https://www.linkedin.com/groups/50811

(With LinkedIn being the premier professional space in social media, 
home to many budding software entrepreneurs, please consider joining 
that group and adding a post there now and then to raise its visibility 
there.)


And some love IRC.  I know a good many people who spend lots of time in 
IRC, and a lot of major FOSS projects who use it for meetings - and of 
course we have a LiveCode channel there, on freenode:

https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#livecode

There were a couple Slack groups too, but I'm not sure if they're active 
- anyone have a URL for those?


Communities grow organically around whatever communications channels the 
members enjoy.


All are indexable content, so all venues benefit all of us using LiveCode.

Let a thousand flowers bloom

--
 Richard Gaskin
 Fourth World Systems
 Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
 
 ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com

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Re: Can we move the use-list to a Google Chat

[Peter M. Brigham]

> On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Mike Kerner  wrote:
> 
> I get the inability to search the archive for n00bs.  That's a problem.
> For those of us who receive these messages in one of our google accounts,
> it isn't a problem.  In my case I have a hair under 13,000 threads that I
> have received since my arrival in the LC community. I wonder if Edinburgh
> has something resembling a searchable index for the n00bs, though.

Nabble has a searchable index of the messages posted to the listserv:

http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/

— Peter

Peter M. Brigham
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Re: Can we move the use-list to a Google Chat

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Skip Kimpel  wrote:

> Same here. -1 for Google Chat.  I much prefer a listserv for the same
> reason Matthias referred to as it is quick and easy to respond to using a
> tool (email) that is in my face 24/7.
>

That.  Listserves are in the mail that is part of our normal workflow,
while a board is an independent destination.

I'm not even sure how many list serves come to my mail, but it is ar more
than I would be willing to have separate applications./windows/tabs for . .
.

If something comes through with a question I can answer, I can answer it
then, not later when I go to a site (or whatever).

And with all of us doing this, we frequently have critical answers in
minutes, not days  . . .


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Re: Can we move the use-list to a Google Chat

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Skip Kimpel  wrote:

> Same here. -1 for Google Chat.  I much prefer a listserv for the same
> reason Matthias referred to as it is quick and easy to respond to using a
> tool (email) that is in my face 24/7.
>




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Re: Can we move the use-list to a Google Chat

[Mike Kerner]

I get the inability to search the archive for n00bs.  That's a problem.
For those of us who receive these messages in one of our google accounts,
it isn't a problem.  In my case I have a hair under 13,000 threads that I
have received since my arrival in the LC community. I wonder if Edinburgh
has something resembling a searchable index for the n00bs, though.


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Skip Kimpel  wrote:

> Same here. -1 for Google Chat.  I much prefer a listserv for the same
> reason Matthias referred to as it is quick and easy to respond to using a
> tool (email) that is in my face 24/7.
>
> SKIP
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Matthias Rebbe <
> matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de> wrote:
>
> > Google Chat would be a NoGo for me.
> >
> > My mail app is opened all the day anyway, so the mailing list is the best
> > solution for me.
> > I know that the forum is also a good source of help and knowledge and i
> am
> > trying to visit it as often as possible.
> > Just today i installed an RSS reader to be up to date with new forum
> posts.
> > But the mailing list will be my number one source.
> > Why, because i can read and respond very quick and easily.
> >
> > Google Chat or any other web based system would stop me to participate in
> > discussions or at least it would stop me to participate regularly in
> > discussions.
> >
> > But that´s just my opinion.
> >
> > Matthias
> >
> > > Am 30.09.2016 um 21:53 schrieb William Jamieson <
> > williamdjamie...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > I was raised with a computer, with facebook for my friends and google
> as
> > my
> > > study guide. I don't really understand the use-list's format and have
> > only
> > > attempted to read it maybe 5 times in the 2 years I have been on it.
> > >
> > > Forums are great but still remind me of my childhood and are generally
> > used
> > > for specific issues. I would really like a Slack thread that can be
> > > indexed, but to ask people to move away from email might be a little
> too
> > > technological for most.
> > >
> > > As a person who wants to be involved with the community, and seeing
> that
> > > the answers to a lot of problems and issues are contained in this
> > massive,
> > > unindexed, scattered, blob, of words that spans thousands of emails in
> my
> > > inbox, I would like to make a plea to use any alternative that works.
> > >
> > > I understand that the use-list is for the OG's but let me ask you, at
> > what
> > > cost is it acceptable? Even for the OG's, let me ask you, how many
> > > solutions pointers to the problems you have had do you think are
> > contained
> > > within the history of the use-list? Can you pull them up quickly in an
> > > organized fashion?
> > >
> > >
> > > William D Jamieson
> > > Amplifiid Education
> > > Co-Founder
> > > (408) 692-5356
> > > www.amplifiideducation.com
> > > williamdjamie...@gmail.com
> > > 
> > > 
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Re: Can we move the use-list to a Google Chat

[Skip Kimpel]

Same here. -1 for Google Chat.  I much prefer a listserv for the same
reason Matthias referred to as it is quick and easy to respond to using a
tool (email) that is in my face 24/7.

SKIP

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Matthias Rebbe <
matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de> wrote:

> Google Chat would be a NoGo for me.
>
> My mail app is opened all the day anyway, so the mailing list is the best
> solution for me.
> I know that the forum is also a good source of help and knowledge and i am
> trying to visit it as often as possible.
> Just today i installed an RSS reader to be up to date with new forum posts.
> But the mailing list will be my number one source.
> Why, because i can read and respond very quick and easily.
>
> Google Chat or any other web based system would stop me to participate in
> discussions or at least it would stop me to participate regularly in
> discussions.
>
> But that´s just my opinion.
>
> Matthias
>
> > Am 30.09.2016 um 21:53 schrieb William Jamieson <
> williamdjamie...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > I was raised with a computer, with facebook for my friends and google as
> my
> > study guide. I don't really understand the use-list's format and have
> only
> > attempted to read it maybe 5 times in the 2 years I have been on it.
> >
> > Forums are great but still remind me of my childhood and are generally
> used
> > for specific issues. I would really like a Slack thread that can be
> > indexed, but to ask people to move away from email might be a little too
> > technological for most.
> >
> > As a person who wants to be involved with the community, and seeing that
> > the answers to a lot of problems and issues are contained in this
> massive,
> > unindexed, scattered, blob, of words that spans thousands of emails in my
> > inbox, I would like to make a plea to use any alternative that works.
> >
> > I understand that the use-list is for the OG's but let me ask you, at
> what
> > cost is it acceptable? Even for the OG's, let me ask you, how many
> > solutions pointers to the problems you have had do you think are
> contained
> > within the history of the use-list? Can you pull them up quickly in an
> > organized fashion?
> >
> >
> > William D Jamieson
> > Amplifiid Education
> > Co-Founder
> > (408) 692-5356
> > www.amplifiideducation.com
> > williamdjamie...@gmail.com
> > 
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Re: Can we move the use-list to a Google Chat

[Matthias Rebbe]

Google Chat would be a NoGo for me.

My mail app is opened all the day anyway, so the mailing list is the best 
solution for me.
I know that the forum is also a good source of help and knowledge and i am 
trying to visit it as often as possible.
Just today i installed an RSS reader to be up to date with new forum posts. 
But the mailing list will be my number one source. 
Why, because i can read and respond very quick and easily.

Google Chat or any other web based system would stop me to participate in 
discussions or at least it would stop me to participate regularly in 
discussions.

But that´s just my opinion.

Matthias

> Am 30.09.2016 um 21:53 schrieb William Jamieson :
> 
> I was raised with a computer, with facebook for my friends and google as my
> study guide. I don't really understand the use-list's format and have only
> attempted to read it maybe 5 times in the 2 years I have been on it.
> 
> Forums are great but still remind me of my childhood and are generally used
> for specific issues. I would really like a Slack thread that can be
> indexed, but to ask people to move away from email might be a little too
> technological for most.
> 
> As a person who wants to be involved with the community, and seeing that
> the answers to a lot of problems and issues are contained in this massive,
> unindexed, scattered, blob, of words that spans thousands of emails in my
> inbox, I would like to make a plea to use any alternative that works.
> 
> I understand that the use-list is for the OG's but let me ask you, at what
> cost is it acceptable? Even for the OG's, let me ask you, how many
> solutions pointers to the problems you have had do you think are contained
> within the history of the use-list? Can you pull them up quickly in an
> organized fashion?
> 
> 
> William D Jamieson
> Amplifiid Education
> Co-Founder
> (408) 692-5356
> www.amplifiideducation.com
> williamdjamie...@gmail.com
> 
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Re: Can we move the use-list to a Google Chat

[Dr. Hawkins]

I should certainly hope not.

listserves and boards are fundamentally different in how people interact.
Moving lists to web generally causes *massive* loss of membership and
participation.

In a professional organization I belong to, it resulted in an independent
mailing list, and would likely have caused turnover of the board at the
next election, except the responsible leadership backed down in the face of
the revolt and restored our listserv.
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Can we move the use-list to a Google Chat

[William Jamieson]

I was raised with a computer, with facebook for my friends and google as my
study guide. I don't really understand the use-list's format and have only
attempted to read it maybe 5 times in the 2 years I have been on it.

Forums are great but still remind me of my childhood and are generally used
for specific issues. I would really like a Slack thread that can be
indexed, but to ask people to move away from email might be a little too
technological for most.

As a person who wants to be involved with the community, and seeing that
the answers to a lot of problems and issues are contained in this massive,
unindexed, scattered, blob, of words that spans thousands of emails in my
inbox, I would like to make a plea to use any alternative that works.

I understand that the use-list is for the OG's but let me ask you, at what
cost is it acceptable? Even for the OG's, let me ask you, how many
solutions pointers to the problems you have had do you think are contained
within the history of the use-list? Can you pull them up quickly in an
organized fashion?


William D Jamieson
Amplifiid Education
Co-Founder
(408) 692-5356
www.amplifiideducation.com
williamdjamie...@gmail.com


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Re: How to make my app keep running in the bg

[William Prothero]

Folks:
Ok, I just tested my app with background audio turned on, but without setting 
mobileLockIdleTimer. The audio clip stayed playing to the end, but the app 
stopped running. It was supposed to advance to the next audio clip. So, in 
essence, it didn’t do what I needed it to do, which is to continue to play 
through a sequence of audio clips.

My solution is to use mobileLockIdleTimer. That keeps the app in front and does 
what I need.

BTW, I’m on OSX 10.11.6 and iOS 9, XCode 8

Best,
Bill

> On Sep 30, 2016, at 11:52 AM, William Prothero  
> wrote:
> 
> I’m not sure background audio works. It was one of the settings I tried. I 
> should re-test it. 
> Bill
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2016, at 8:10 AM, Ralph DiMola  wrote:
>> 
>> Selecting "background audio" in the iOS settings will keep the app alive 
>> when focus is lost. This will change the "suspend" plist setting that we 
>> used to have to hack every time.
>> 
>> Also "disable ATS" will allow the lc browser to access non-https web pages.
>> 
>> 
>> Ralph DiMola
>> IT Director
>> Evergreen Information Services
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Original message From: Mike Kerner 
>>  Date:09/30/2016  10:05  (GMT-05:00) 
>> To: How to use LiveCode  
>> Subject: Re: How to make my app keep running in the bg 
>> This is one of those things that is more involved.  You can read up on 
>> it
>> by searching for those terms on the list, but the abreviated version is
>> copy livecode out of your applications folder
>> right-click and view package contents
>> drill down to the engine for the ios devices you are targeting (see the
>> discusson on the list for more)
>> change the parameter
>> close it all back up
>> copy LC back into the application folder
>> 
>> You have to do this for each version of LC that you download.
>> 
>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Earthednet-wp 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Mike,
>>> I haven't tried that. I fire up my iOS dev projects rarely enough that my
>>> skills with the intricacies are pretty rudimentary. For now, just keeping
>>> the app from going to sleep is good enough.
>>> 
>>> Thanks again for your help. The step by step procedure, with your comments
>>> on several "gotchas" was extremely helpful.
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>> William Prothero
>>> http://es.earthednet.org
>>> 
 On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:19 AM, Mike Kerner 
>>> wrote:
 
 have you tried tweaking the settings.plist, specifically replacing
 ${APPLICATION_EXITS_ON_SUSPEND} with ?
 
 On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:55 PM, William Prothero <
>>> proth...@earthednet.org>
 wrote:
 
> Scott:
> I think I’ve got it.
> 
> mobileLockIdleTimer
> 
> Best,
> Bill
> 
>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 5:46 PM, William Prothero <
>>> proth...@earthednet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Scott:
>> I use the native sound player to play the sounds. Actually, what I
> really want to do is to keep the app in the foreground. I play the audio
> through my wifi and if it goes to background, the wifi gets disconnected
> and it’s a real pain. A previous version of this app stayed in the
> foreground. So, perhaps there is some kind of property that will keep an
> app in the foreground?
>> Bill
>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 5:41 PM, Scott Rossi 
> wrote:
>>> 
>>> AFAIK, you can't do this on iOS for just a timer.  I was told from
> someone
>>> high up in Apple that the phone will automatically end or reset a
>>> backgrounded app after roughly 10 minutes or so (at most).  Audio is a
>>> different story, because Apple allows music-playing apps to run when
>>> backgrounded, but I imagine you'd need to make use of Apple's native
> music
>>> player for this to work.  I'm not sure if the native LC player
>>> qualifies
>>> -- have you already tried backgrounding an LC app with the native
>>> player
>>> running?
>>> 
>>> Don't expect to fool Apple by enabling a non-music-playing app to keep
>>> itself active by playing sound.  I was told this story: Apparently
> several
>>> versions back, Facebook came out with a version of their mobile app
> which
>>> included a player that played silence when backgrounded, as a means to
>>> keep itself active.  Apple discovered the behavior and slapped
>>> Facebook
> on
>>> the wrist, after which Facebook claimed it was a bug that was
>>> introduced
>>> by mistake.
>>> 
>>> It's possible the Apple has changed it policy on this over the last
>>> year
>>> or so, but I doubt it.  Google may be more forgiving with Android.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Scott Rossi
>>> Creative Director
>>> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/29/16, 5:16 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of 

Re: How to make my app keep running in the bg

[William Prothero]

I’m not sure background audio works. It was one of the settings I tried. I 
should re-test it. 
Bill

> On Sep 30, 2016, at 8:10 AM, Ralph DiMola  wrote:
> 
> Selecting "background audio" in the iOS settings will keep the app alive when 
> focus is lost. This will change the "suspend" plist setting that we used to 
> have to hack every time.
> 
> Also "disable ATS" will allow the lc browser to access non-https web pages.
> 
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> 
> 
> 
>  Original message From: Mike Kerner 
>  Date:09/30/2016  10:05  (GMT-05:00) 
> To: How to use LiveCode  
> Subject: Re: How to make my app keep running in the bg 
> This is one of those things that is more involved.  You can read up on 
> it
> by searching for those terms on the list, but the abreviated version is
> copy livecode out of your applications folder
> right-click and view package contents
> drill down to the engine for the ios devices you are targeting (see the
> discusson on the list for more)
> change the parameter
> close it all back up
> copy LC back into the application folder
> 
> You have to do this for each version of LC that you download.
> 
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Earthednet-wp 
> wrote:
> 
>> Mike,
>> I haven't tried that. I fire up my iOS dev projects rarely enough that my
>> skills with the intricacies are pretty rudimentary. For now, just keeping
>> the app from going to sleep is good enough.
>> 
>> Thanks again for your help. The step by step procedure, with your comments
>> on several "gotchas" was extremely helpful.
>> Bill
>> 
>> William Prothero
>> http://es.earthednet.org
>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:19 AM, Mike Kerner 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> have you tried tweaking the settings.plist, specifically replacing
>>> ${APPLICATION_EXITS_ON_SUSPEND} with ?
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:55 PM, William Prothero <
>> proth...@earthednet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Scott:
 I think I’ve got it.
 
 mobileLockIdleTimer
 
 Best,
 Bill
 
>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 5:46 PM, William Prothero <
>> proth...@earthednet.org>
> wrote:
> 
> Scott:
> I use the native sound player to play the sounds. Actually, what I
 really want to do is to keep the app in the foreground. I play the audio
 through my wifi and if it goes to background, the wifi gets disconnected
 and it’s a real pain. A previous version of this app stayed in the
 foreground. So, perhaps there is some kind of property that will keep an
 app in the foreground?
> Bill
>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 5:41 PM, Scott Rossi 
 wrote:
>> 
>> AFAIK, you can't do this on iOS for just a timer.  I was told from
 someone
>> high up in Apple that the phone will automatically end or reset a
>> backgrounded app after roughly 10 minutes or so (at most).  Audio is a
>> different story, because Apple allows music-playing apps to run when
>> backgrounded, but I imagine you'd need to make use of Apple's native
 music
>> player for this to work.  I'm not sure if the native LC player
>> qualifies
>> -- have you already tried backgrounding an LC app with the native
>> player
>> running?
>> 
>> Don't expect to fool Apple by enabling a non-music-playing app to keep
>> itself active by playing sound.  I was told this story: Apparently
 several
>> versions back, Facebook came out with a version of their mobile app
 which
>> included a player that played silence when backgrounded, as a means to
>> keep itself active.  Apple discovered the behavior and slapped
>> Facebook
 on
>> the wrist, after which Facebook claimed it was a bug that was
>> introduced
>> by mistake.
>> 
>> It's possible the Apple has changed it policy on this over the last
>> year
>> or so, but I doubt it.  Google may be more forgiving with Android.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/29/16, 5:16 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of William Prothero"
>> > proth...@earthednet.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Folks:
>>> I have an app that plays sounds and I donąt want the iPhone to stop
>>> playing them when the phone hibernates. I also have a timer that runs
 and
>>> I donąt want it to stop after a minute or so.
>>> 
>>> So, how can I keep an app up front and running without constantly
>>> touching the screen?
>>> 
>>> I know there is a way to do this, but how?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> William Prothero, Ph.D.
>>> University of California, Santa Barbara, Emeritus
>>> proth...@earthednet.org
>>> 

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Re: 9.0???

[dunbarx]

Working on v.9?

A bit premature, I think. Though surely thinking about v9 is exciting...

Perhaps the tools palette can be prettified in that release?

Craig Newman



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Re: 9.0???

[Mike Kerner]

heh.  heh.  heh.  TOYS!

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Peter TB Brett 
wrote:

> On 30/09/2016 16:53, Mike Kerner wrote:
>
>> Whoa.  They're working on LC 9 (rubs hands together while quietly
>> snickering to self)
>>
>
> All will soon be revealed!
>
>Peter
>
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> LiveCode Technical Project Manager
>
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Re: 9.0???

[Peter TB Brett]

On 30/09/2016 16:53, Mike Kerner wrote:

Whoa.  They're working on LC 9 (rubs hands together while quietly
snickering to self)


All will soon be revealed!

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9.0???

[Mike Kerner]

Whoa.  They're working on LC 9 (rubs hands together while quietly
snickering to self)

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Re: How to make my app keep running in the bg

[Mike Kerner]

Wow, I thought the background audio setting had been disabled.  cool!

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Ralph DiMola 
wrote:

> Selecting "background audio" in the iOS settings will keep the app alive
> when focus is lost. This will change the "suspend" plist setting that we
> used to have to hack every time.
>
> Also "disable ATS" will allow the lc browser to access non-https web pages.
>
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
>
>
>
>  Original message From: Mike Kerner <
> mikeker...@roadrunner.com> Date:09/30/2016  10:05  (GMT-05:00)
> To: How to use LiveCode 
> Subject: Re: How to make my app keep running in the bg
> 
> This is one of those things that is more involved.  You can read up
> on it
> by searching for those terms on the list, but the abreviated version is
> copy livecode out of your applications folder
> right-click and view package contents
> drill down to the engine for the ios devices you are targeting (see the
> discusson on the list for more)
> change the parameter
> close it all back up
> copy LC back into the application folder
>
> You have to do this for each version of LC that you download.
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Earthednet-wp 
> wrote:
>
> > Mike,
> > I haven't tried that. I fire up my iOS dev projects rarely enough that my
> > skills with the intricacies are pretty rudimentary. For now, just keeping
> > the app from going to sleep is good enough.
> >
> > Thanks again for your help. The step by step procedure, with your
> comments
> > on several "gotchas" was extremely helpful.
> > Bill
> >
> > William Prothero
> > http://es.earthednet.org
> >
> > > On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:19 AM, Mike Kerner 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > have you tried tweaking the settings.plist, specifically replacing
> > > ${APPLICATION_EXITS_ON_SUSPEND} with ?
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:55 PM, William Prothero <
> > proth...@earthednet.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Scott:
> > >> I think I’ve got it.
> > >>
> > >> mobileLockIdleTimer
> > >>
> > >> Best,
> > >> Bill
> > >>
> >  On Sep 29, 2016, at 5:46 PM, William Prothero <
> > proth...@earthednet.org>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Scott:
> > >>> I use the native sound player to play the sounds. Actually, what I
> > >> really want to do is to keep the app in the foreground. I play the
> audio
> > >> through my wifi and if it goes to background, the wifi gets
> disconnected
> > >> and it’s a real pain. A previous version of this app stayed in the
> > >> foreground. So, perhaps there is some kind of property that will keep
> an
> > >> app in the foreground?
> > >>> Bill
> >  On Sep 29, 2016, at 5:41 PM, Scott Rossi 
> > >> wrote:
> > 
> >  AFAIK, you can't do this on iOS for just a timer.  I was told from
> > >> someone
> >  high up in Apple that the phone will automatically end or reset a
> >  backgrounded app after roughly 10 minutes or so (at most).  Audio
> is a
> >  different story, because Apple allows music-playing apps to run when
> >  backgrounded, but I imagine you'd need to make use of Apple's native
> > >> music
> >  player for this to work.  I'm not sure if the native LC player
> > qualifies
> >  -- have you already tried backgrounding an LC app with the native
> > player
> >  running?
> > 
> >  Don't expect to fool Apple by enabling a non-music-playing app to
> keep
> >  itself active by playing sound.  I was told this story: Apparently
> > >> several
> >  versions back, Facebook came out with a version of their mobile app
> > >> which
> >  included a player that played silence when backgrounded, as a means
> to
> >  keep itself active.  Apple discovered the behavior and slapped
> > Facebook
> > >> on
> >  the wrist, after which Facebook claimed it was a bug that was
> > introduced
> >  by mistake.
> > 
> >  It's possible the Apple has changed it policy on this over the last
> > year
> >  or so, but I doubt it.  Google may be more forgiving with Android.
> > 
> >  Regards,
> > 
> >  Scott Rossi
> >  Creative Director
> >  Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  On 9/29/16, 5:16 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of William Prothero"
> >   >  proth...@earthednet.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > Folks:
> > > I have an app that plays sounds and I donąt want the iPhone to stop
> > > playing them when the phone hibernates. I also have a timer that
> runs
> > >> and
> > > I donąt want it to stop after a minute or so.
> > >
> > > So, how can I keep an app up front and running without constantly
> > > touching the screen?
> > >
> > > I know there is a way to do this, but how?
> > > Thanks,
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > >
> 

Re: How to make my app keep running in the bg

[Ralph DiMola]

Selecting "background audio" in the iOS settings will keep the app alive when 
focus is lost. This will change the "suspend" plist setting that we used to 
have to hack every time.

Also "disable ATS" will allow the lc browser to access non-https web pages.


Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services



 Original message From: Mike Kerner 
 Date:09/30/2016  10:05  (GMT-05:00) 
To: How to use LiveCode  
Subject: Re: How to make my app keep running in the bg 
This is one of those things that is more involved.  You can read up on it
by searching for those terms on the list, but the abreviated version is
copy livecode out of your applications folder
right-click and view package contents
drill down to the engine for the ios devices you are targeting (see the
discusson on the list for more)
change the parameter
close it all back up
copy LC back into the application folder

You have to do this for each version of LC that you download.

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Earthednet-wp 
wrote:

> Mike,
> I haven't tried that. I fire up my iOS dev projects rarely enough that my
> skills with the intricacies are pretty rudimentary. For now, just keeping
> the app from going to sleep is good enough.
>
> Thanks again for your help. The step by step procedure, with your comments
> on several "gotchas" was extremely helpful.
> Bill
>
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
>
> > On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:19 AM, Mike Kerner 
> wrote:
> >
> > have you tried tweaking the settings.plist, specifically replacing
> > ${APPLICATION_EXITS_ON_SUSPEND} with ?
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:55 PM, William Prothero <
> proth...@earthednet.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Scott:
> >> I think I’ve got it.
> >>
> >> mobileLockIdleTimer
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Bill
> >>
>  On Sep 29, 2016, at 5:46 PM, William Prothero <
> proth...@earthednet.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Scott:
> >>> I use the native sound player to play the sounds. Actually, what I
> >> really want to do is to keep the app in the foreground. I play the audio
> >> through my wifi and if it goes to background, the wifi gets disconnected
> >> and it’s a real pain. A previous version of this app stayed in the
> >> foreground. So, perhaps there is some kind of property that will keep an
> >> app in the foreground?
> >>> Bill
>  On Sep 29, 2016, at 5:41 PM, Scott Rossi 
> >> wrote:
> 
>  AFAIK, you can't do this on iOS for just a timer.  I was told from
> >> someone
>  high up in Apple that the phone will automatically end or reset a
>  backgrounded app after roughly 10 minutes or so (at most).  Audio is a
>  different story, because Apple allows music-playing apps to run when
>  backgrounded, but I imagine you'd need to make use of Apple's native
> >> music
>  player for this to work.  I'm not sure if the native LC player
> qualifies
>  -- have you already tried backgrounding an LC app with the native
> player
>  running?
> 
>  Don't expect to fool Apple by enabling a non-music-playing app to keep
>  itself active by playing sound.  I was told this story: Apparently
> >> several
>  versions back, Facebook came out with a version of their mobile app
> >> which
>  included a player that played silence when backgrounded, as a means to
>  keep itself active.  Apple discovered the behavior and slapped
> Facebook
> >> on
>  the wrist, after which Facebook claimed it was a bug that was
> introduced
>  by mistake.
> 
>  It's possible the Apple has changed it policy on this over the last
> year
>  or so, but I doubt it.  Google may be more forgiving with Android.
> 
>  Regards,
> 
>  Scott Rossi
>  Creative Director
>  Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  On 9/29/16, 5:16 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of William Prothero"
>    proth...@earthednet.org> wrote:
> 
> > Folks:
> > I have an app that plays sounds and I donąt want the iPhone to stop
> > playing them when the phone hibernates. I also have a timer that runs
> >> and
> > I donąt want it to stop after a minute or so.
> >
> > So, how can I keep an app up front and running without constantly
> > touching the screen?
> >
> > I know there is a way to do this, but how?
> > Thanks,
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > William Prothero, Ph.D.
> > University of California, Santa Barbara, Emeritus
> > proth...@earthednet.org
> >
> >
> >
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Re: LiveCode to eLearning

[dunbarx]

William.

I tried to reply via the hidden email link, but failed with a message that
the domain was missing. What am I missing?

Craig Newman



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Re: How to make my app keep running in the bg

[Mike Kerner]

This is one of those things that is more involved.  You can read up on it
by searching for those terms on the list, but the abreviated version is
copy livecode out of your applications folder
right-click and view package contents
drill down to the engine for the ios devices you are targeting (see the
discusson on the list for more)
change the parameter
close it all back up
copy LC back into the application folder

You have to do this for each version of LC that you download.

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Earthednet-wp 
wrote:

> Mike,
> I haven't tried that. I fire up my iOS dev projects rarely enough that my
> skills with the intricacies are pretty rudimentary. For now, just keeping
> the app from going to sleep is good enough.
>
> Thanks again for your help. The step by step procedure, with your comments
> on several "gotchas" was extremely helpful.
> Bill
>
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
>
> > On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:19 AM, Mike Kerner 
> wrote:
> >
> > have you tried tweaking the settings.plist, specifically replacing
> > ${APPLICATION_EXITS_ON_SUSPEND} with ?
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:55 PM, William Prothero <
> proth...@earthednet.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Scott:
> >> I think I’ve got it.
> >>
> >> mobileLockIdleTimer
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Bill
> >>
>  On Sep 29, 2016, at 5:46 PM, William Prothero <
> proth...@earthednet.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Scott:
> >>> I use the native sound player to play the sounds. Actually, what I
> >> really want to do is to keep the app in the foreground. I play the audio
> >> through my wifi and if it goes to background, the wifi gets disconnected
> >> and it’s a real pain. A previous version of this app stayed in the
> >> foreground. So, perhaps there is some kind of property that will keep an
> >> app in the foreground?
> >>> Bill
>  On Sep 29, 2016, at 5:41 PM, Scott Rossi 
> >> wrote:
> 
>  AFAIK, you can't do this on iOS for just a timer.  I was told from
> >> someone
>  high up in Apple that the phone will automatically end or reset a
>  backgrounded app after roughly 10 minutes or so (at most).  Audio is a
>  different story, because Apple allows music-playing apps to run when
>  backgrounded, but I imagine you'd need to make use of Apple's native
> >> music
>  player for this to work.  I'm not sure if the native LC player
> qualifies
>  -- have you already tried backgrounding an LC app with the native
> player
>  running?
> 
>  Don't expect to fool Apple by enabling a non-music-playing app to keep
>  itself active by playing sound.  I was told this story: Apparently
> >> several
>  versions back, Facebook came out with a version of their mobile app
> >> which
>  included a player that played silence when backgrounded, as a means to
>  keep itself active.  Apple discovered the behavior and slapped
> Facebook
> >> on
>  the wrist, after which Facebook claimed it was a bug that was
> introduced
>  by mistake.
> 
>  It's possible the Apple has changed it policy on this over the last
> year
>  or so, but I doubt it.  Google may be more forgiving with Android.
> 
>  Regards,
> 
>  Scott Rossi
>  Creative Director
>  Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  On 9/29/16, 5:16 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of William Prothero"
>    proth...@earthednet.org> wrote:
> 
> > Folks:
> > I have an app that plays sounds and I donąt want the iPhone to stop
> > playing them when the phone hibernates. I also have a timer that runs
> >> and
> > I donąt want it to stop after a minute or so.
> >
> > So, how can I keep an app up front and running without constantly
> > touching the screen?
> >
> > I know there is a way to do this, but how?
> > Thanks,
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > William Prothero, Ph.D.
> > University of California, Santa Barbara, Emeritus
> > proth...@earthednet.org
> >
> >
> >
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Re: How to make my app keep running in the bg

[Earthednet-wp]

Mike,
I haven't tried that. I fire up my iOS dev projects rarely enough that my 
skills with the intricacies are pretty rudimentary. For now, just keeping the 
app from going to sleep is good enough.

Thanks again for your help. The step by step procedure, with your comments on 
several "gotchas" was extremely helpful. 
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:19 AM, Mike Kerner  wrote:
> 
> have you tried tweaking the settings.plist, specifically replacing
> ${APPLICATION_EXITS_ON_SUSPEND} with ?
> 
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:55 PM, William Prothero 
> wrote:
> 
>> Scott:
>> I think I’ve got it.
>> 
>> mobileLockIdleTimer
>> 
>> Best,
>> Bill
>> 
 On Sep 29, 2016, at 5:46 PM, William Prothero 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Scott:
>>> I use the native sound player to play the sounds. Actually, what I
>> really want to do is to keep the app in the foreground. I play the audio
>> through my wifi and if it goes to background, the wifi gets disconnected
>> and it’s a real pain. A previous version of this app stayed in the
>> foreground. So, perhaps there is some kind of property that will keep an
>> app in the foreground?
>>> Bill
 On Sep 29, 2016, at 5:41 PM, Scott Rossi 
>> wrote:
 
 AFAIK, you can't do this on iOS for just a timer.  I was told from
>> someone
 high up in Apple that the phone will automatically end or reset a
 backgrounded app after roughly 10 minutes or so (at most).  Audio is a
 different story, because Apple allows music-playing apps to run when
 backgrounded, but I imagine you'd need to make use of Apple's native
>> music
 player for this to work.  I'm not sure if the native LC player qualifies
 -- have you already tried backgrounding an LC app with the native player
 running?
 
 Don't expect to fool Apple by enabling a non-music-playing app to keep
 itself active by playing sound.  I was told this story: Apparently
>> several
 versions back, Facebook came out with a version of their mobile app
>> which
 included a player that played silence when backgrounded, as a means to
 keep itself active.  Apple discovered the behavior and slapped Facebook
>> on
 the wrist, after which Facebook claimed it was a bug that was introduced
 by mistake.
 
 It's possible the Apple has changed it policy on this over the last year
 or so, but I doubt it.  Google may be more forgiving with Android.
 
 Regards,
 
 Scott Rossi
 Creative Director
 Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
 
 
 
 
 On 9/29/16, 5:16 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of William Prothero"
  wrote:
 
> Folks:
> I have an app that plays sounds and I donąt want the iPhone to stop
> playing them when the phone hibernates. I also have a timer that runs
>> and
> I donąt want it to stop after a minute or so.
> 
> So, how can I keep an app up front and running without constantly
> touching the screen?
> 
> I know there is a way to do this, but how?
> Thanks,
> Bill
> 
> 
> 
> William Prothero, Ph.D.
> University of California, Santa Barbara, Emeritus
> proth...@earthednet.org
> 
> 
> 
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widget hacking

[Mike Kerner]

is anyone messing around/hacking any of the widgets, yet?  I've got a few
ideas for things I would do to some of them, but I haven't gone diving into
the code, yet.

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Re: testflight

[Mike Kerner]

Well, that's what I'm using, too.

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 8:19 AM, Randy Hengst  wrote:

> I’ll second that.
>
> be well,
> randy
>
>
> > On Sep 29, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Dave Kilroy 
> wrote:
> >
> > Jacque’s AirLaunch
> >
> >> Is anyone else using testFlight?  What is your favorite way to generate
> the
> >> .ipa file?
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Re: How to make my app keep running in the bg

[Mike Kerner]

have you tried tweaking the settings.plist, specifically replacing
${APPLICATION_EXITS_ON_SUSPEND} with ?

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:55 PM, William Prothero 
wrote:

> Scott:
> I think I’ve got it.
>
> mobileLockIdleTimer
>
> Best,
> Bill
>
> > On Sep 29, 2016, at 5:46 PM, William Prothero 
> wrote:
> >
> > Scott:
> > I use the native sound player to play the sounds. Actually, what I
> really want to do is to keep the app in the foreground. I play the audio
> through my wifi and if it goes to background, the wifi gets disconnected
> and it’s a real pain. A previous version of this app stayed in the
> foreground. So, perhaps there is some kind of property that will keep an
> app in the foreground?
> > Bill
> >> On Sep 29, 2016, at 5:41 PM, Scott Rossi 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> AFAIK, you can't do this on iOS for just a timer.  I was told from
> someone
> >> high up in Apple that the phone will automatically end or reset a
> >> backgrounded app after roughly 10 minutes or so (at most).  Audio is a
> >> different story, because Apple allows music-playing apps to run when
> >> backgrounded, but I imagine you'd need to make use of Apple's native
> music
> >> player for this to work.  I'm not sure if the native LC player qualifies
> >> -- have you already tried backgrounding an LC app with the native player
> >> running?
> >>
> >> Don't expect to fool Apple by enabling a non-music-playing app to keep
> >> itself active by playing sound.  I was told this story: Apparently
> several
> >> versions back, Facebook came out with a version of their mobile app
> which
> >> included a player that played silence when backgrounded, as a means to
> >> keep itself active.  Apple discovered the behavior and slapped Facebook
> on
> >> the wrist, after which Facebook claimed it was a bug that was introduced
> >> by mistake.
> >>
> >> It's possible the Apple has changed it policy on this over the last year
> >> or so, but I doubt it.  Google may be more forgiving with Android.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Scott Rossi
> >> Creative Director
> >> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 9/29/16, 5:16 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of William Prothero"
> >>  >> proth...@earthednet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Folks:
> >>> I have an app that plays sounds and I donąt want the iPhone to stop
> >>> playing them when the phone hibernates. I also have a timer that runs
> and
> >>> I donąt want it to stop after a minute or so.
> >>>
> >>> So, how can I keep an app up front and running without constantly
> >>> touching the screen?
> >>>
> >>> I know there is a way to do this, but how?
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Bill
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> William Prothero, Ph.D.
> >>> University of California, Santa Barbara, Emeritus
> >>> proth...@earthednet.org
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: testflight

[Randy Hengst]

I’ll second that.

be well,
randy


> On Sep 29, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Dave Kilroy  wrote:
> 
> Jacque’s AirLaunch
> 
>> Is anyone else using testFlight?  What is your favorite way to generate the 
>> .ipa file? 
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Re: tsneterr ???

[Klaus major-k]

> Am 30.09.2016 um 09:47 schrieb Klaus major-k :
> 
> Hi Charles,
> 
>> Am 30.09.2016 um 00:37 schrieb Charles Warwick 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi Klaus,
>> 
 both together form a valid pathname, of course!
 Anyway I get:
 tsneterr: (21) QUOT string not accepted:
 DELE /the_above_menitoned/pathname
 
 I see this in a standalone.
 
 And yes I know tsNet is the new external that replaces (more or less) 
 libUrl,
 but does it not support DELETE URL XXX? Do I need to use another syntax?
>> 
>> tsNet does support the delete url syntax.  I have tested it here with FTP 
>> and it works.
>> The error code (21) indicates that the remote FTP server rejected the DELE 
>> command that was sent by your standalone.
>> Can you confirm if the error you are seeing come back includes the filename 
>> in the path, or just the path?  
> 
> (relative) path including filename!
> 
>> Do you have permission to delete that file on the server?
> 
> Yes, sure, as I wrote, I have been using this stack including its scripts for 
> several years now (with libURL and without problems) and the problem came up 
> with LC 8.1.

just made another test and it works fine in the IDE!?

>> Regards,
>> 
>> Charles

Best

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Re: tsneterr ???

[Klaus major-k]

Hi Charles,

> Am 30.09.2016 um 00:37 schrieb Charles Warwick 
> :
> 
> Hi Klaus,
> 
>>> both together form a valid pathname, of course!
>>> Anyway I get:
>>> tsneterr: (21) QUOT string not accepted:
>>> DELE /the_above_menitoned/pathname
>>> 
>>> I see this in a standalone.
>>> 
>>> And yes I know tsNet is the new external that replaces (more or less) 
>>> libUrl,
>>> but does it not support DELETE URL XXX? Do I need to use another syntax?
> 
> tsNet does support the delete url syntax.  I have tested it here with FTP and 
> it works.
> The error code (21) indicates that the remote FTP server rejected the DELE 
> command that was sent by your standalone.
> Can you confirm if the error you are seeing come back includes the filename 
> in the path, or just the path?  

(relative) path including filename!

> Do you have permission to delete that file on the server?

Yes, sure, as I wrote, I have been using this stack including its scripts for 
several years now (with libURL and without problems) and the problem came up 
with LC 8.1.

> Regards,
> 
> Charles

Best

Klaus



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