Re: [BUG] Searching the Dictionary with $

[Mike Kerner]

or when someone hangs extra characters on the end of a word for no reason,
like "dialogue"

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Kay C Lan  wrote:

> On Sat, Dec 24, 2016 at 1:27 AM, Ali Lloyd  wrote:
> >
> > At some point we might want to add the option to regex-search the
> > dictionary so it's probably worth keeping the regex implementation
> > internally.
> >
> Hope everyone has had a wonderful Christmas.
>
> Yes, I think like the expanded options within the Script Editors Find
> dialogue box that allows the possibility to choose 'Regular
> expression', 'Wildcard' or 'Plain text' would be handy and clearly
> delineate when characters do or do not need to be escaped.
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Re: Hanging from the washing line.

[Peter Bogdanoff]

I tried with a field set to zapfino (the most vertically expansive font I have) 
14, text height 6.

I’m seeing that in LC 8.1.2 on Mac, that with the field fixed line height off 
things look right, showing wide line height and no attenuation. With fixed line 
height on, LC pushes all the text off the top of the field except for the 
bottom line and part of the second line from the bottom--where I see the 
descenders of the upper line overlapping the ascenders of the bottom line. 
Setting the line height to fixed 30, again pushes the text up off the field 
except for the last 1 1/2 lines—they are just spaced wider.

LC does have a problem with displaying this kind of text with fixed line height 
on, but I’m not seeing the chopping off of text, but the pushing text up the 
top of the field. With fixed line height off, it looks OK.

Peter Bogdanoff

On Dec 29, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Richmond Mathewson  
wrote:

> No: the lineHeight is not set to fixed.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> On 12/29/16 7:16 pm, Stephen Barncard wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Bob Sneidar 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I search for textH in the dictionary and find textHeight, a property of a
>>> field.
>>> 
>> also is your line height set for fixed?
>> 
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Re: How to tell if something is put into the message box

[Alex Tweedly]

OK, I am NOT a regex expert, but ...

wouldn't that give you other lines like
   put tVar into myVar

should it not be simply
^put \w$
so that you don't get all the other put statements ... that "+" allows 
any number (>=1) of words.


And even then, you will miss
   if x = y then put tVar
and
  put tVar-- for debug purposes
and
  put tVar + tVar1
and lots of other less constructs :-)

-- Alex.

On 29/12/2016 21:18, Kay C Lan wrote:

If all you were looking for was incidences of:

put tVar

you could always just open the 'Find and Replace' from the Edit menu,
select This stack, tick the 'Reg. Expression' box and search for:

^put \w+$

I know you'll know what this means but for those not so familiar with regex:

^ = start of line
   followed by a space character
\w = any word character
+ = 1 or more times
$ = end of line

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Re: How to tell if something is put into the message box

[Bob Sneidar]

Oh I never thought of using regex! I understand the principle but I'm not so 
clear on all the options and how they interact. I tried reading up on it once 
but my brain began to hurt so I backed off. :-)

Bob S


> On Dec 29, 2016, at 13:18 , Kay C Lan  wrote:
> 
> If all you were looking for was incidences of:
> 
> put tVar
> 
> you could always just open the 'Find and Replace' from the Edit menu,
> select This stack, tick the 'Reg. Expression' box and search for:
> 
> ^put \w+$
> 
> I know you'll know what this means but for those not so familiar with regex:
> 
> ^ = start of line
>  followed by a space character
> \w = any word character
> + = 1 or more times
> $ = end of line
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Re: How to tell if something is put into the message box

[Kay C Lan]

If all you were looking for was incidences of:

put tVar

you could always just open the 'Find and Replace' from the Edit menu,
select This stack, tick the 'Reg. Expression' box and search for:

^put \w+$

I know you'll know what this means but for those not so familiar with regex:

^ = start of line
  followed by a space character
\w = any word character
+ = 1 or more times
$ = end of line

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Re: Launching a subprocess under OSX?

[Paul Dupuis]

On 12/29/2016 3:23 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> In the Mac world, I find that if my app starts a true command-line
> tool (like SOX or FFMPEG or mediainfo) with 'open process' or
> 'shell()', all is well - no indication of its execution is visible to
> the user of my app. Of course those tools are designed to be
> command-line only - no bundle, no built-in UI.
>
> If, on the other hand, my app launches a document with Word, I do see
> Word active in the Dock. And Word is a regular app bundle, unlike the
> command-line tools I mentioned.
>
> Don't know if there is a definite relationship between the helper
> app's internal structure and its visibility in the Dock when running,
> but I thought I would at least share my experience.
>
> Maybe there's a setting you can fiddle with in the helper app's plist
> that would make it run invisible? (Sounds like a potential can of
> worms but it might work)
>

The helper app in question is another LiveCode standalone. I am
performing some complex text manipulations from a tool built under
LC4.6.4 and a version of the tool built under LC6.7.11. Due to the
changes to the field object introduced in LC5.5, it is necessary to load
certain text into a helper app built under LC464 to obtain the original
position (start and end character positions from selectedChunk() and do
some processing on them to adjust them to be positionally accurate in
the same files opened into a field under LC6711.

This all works fine under Windows 7 to 10. It works under OSX as well,
but having the App pop to the front is visually not good from an UI
perspective. You response has given me an idea. I suspect I need to
launch the helperapp with the -ui switch to have it run as a command
line tool under OSX. I'll give that a try.


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Re: {Merry | Happy} [{Christmas | Hanukkah | Solstice | Holidays | Festivus | Saturnalia}]

[Kay C Lan]

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Monte Goulding  wrote:
>  I’m planning lots of work in the garden

Just can't get away from eradicating bugs ;-)
>
> * yes that’s a Tim Minchin reference

Stumbled upon a Tim Minchin show in New York a couple of years back
when one of my team mates happened to be an acquaintance of Tim - his
mother was best friends with Tim's mother. After the show met up and
went for dinner with Tim - the whole night was a barrel of laughs.

Wish you and your family a prosperous and peaceful 2017 - with a
successful bug eradication program both at work and in the garden ;-)

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Re: Launching a subprocess under OSX?

[Phil Davis]

Hi Paul,

In the Mac world, I find that if my app starts a true command-line tool 
(like SOX or FFMPEG or mediainfo) with 'open process' or 'shell()', all 
is well - no indication of its execution is visible to the user of my 
app. Of course those tools are designed to be command-line only - no 
bundle, no built-in UI.


If, on the other hand, my app launches a document with Word, I do see 
Word active in the Dock. And Word is a regular app bundle, unlike the 
command-line tools I mentioned.


Don't know if there is a definite relationship between the helper app's 
internal structure and its visibility in the Dock when running, but I 
thought I would at least share my experience.


Maybe there's a setting you can fiddle with in the helper app's plist 
that would make it run invisible? (Sounds like a potential can of worms 
but it might work)


Thanks -
Phil Davis


On 12/29/16 11:44 AM, Paul Dupuis wrote:

On Windows, I can launch a subprocess using:

open process tHelperApp for text update

And I get a subprocess that does not appear as a separate running app to
the user. They do not see it appear in the task bar. There is no
apparent change to the running app that launched the helper. It just
shows up in task list if you bring up the task manager with CTRL-ALT-DEL
which is fine.

On OSX (10.9.5), both 'launch thelperApp' and 'open process tHelperApp
for text update' start the helper app but also brings it to the front
(active app - you can see its menu - only the Apple and App name default
menus) and it appears in the dock. This is undesirable.

Does any one know how to launch a real subprocess under OSX from
LiveCode that stay hidden or in the background at least?


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Launching a subprocess under OSX?

[Paul Dupuis]

On Windows, I can launch a subprocess using:

open process tHelperApp for text update

And I get a subprocess that does not appear as a separate running app to
the user. They do not see it appear in the task bar. There is no
apparent change to the running app that launched the helper. It just
shows up in task list if you bring up the task manager with CTRL-ALT-DEL
which is fine.

On OSX (10.9.5), both 'launch thelperApp' and 'open process tHelperApp
for text update' start the helper app but also brings it to the front
(active app - you can see its menu - only the Apple and App name default
menus) and it appears in the dock. This is undesirable.

Does any one know how to launch a real subprocess under OSX from
LiveCode that stay hidden or in the background at least?


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Re: Hanging from the washing line.

[Richmond Mathewson]

No: the lineHeight is not set to fixed.

Richmond.

On 12/29/16 7:16 pm, Stephen Barncard wrote:

On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Bob Sneidar 
wrote:


I search for textH in the dictionary and find textHeight, a property of a
field.


also is your line height set for fixed?

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Re: Hanging from the washing line.

[Stephen Barncard]

On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Bob Sneidar 
wrote:

> I search for textH in the dictionary and find textHeight, a property of a
> field.
>

also is your line height set for fixed?

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Re: Hanging from the washing line.

[Bob Sneidar]

I search for textH in the dictionary and find textHeight, a property of a field.

Bob S


On Dec 29, 2016, at 09:01 , Richmond Mathewson 
mailto:richmondmathew...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I am using a font that has "descenders" that descend extremely low below the 
'normal' writing
line, and as such gets bottoms of glyphs chopped off in LiveCode textFields.

Is this a problem that can be rectified inwith LiveCode, or do I have to go 
back to my font editor and change
the font's decender value there?

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Hanging from the washing line.

[Richmond Mathewson]

I am using a font that has "descenders" that descend extremely low below 
the 'normal' writing

line, and as such gets bottoms of glyphs chopped off in LiveCode textFields.

Is this a problem that can be rectified inwith LiveCode, or do I have to 
go back to my font editor and change

the font's decender value there?

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=28580

Richmond.
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Re: How to tell if something is put into the message box

[Bob Sneidar]

NVM I figured out a way to do this. I set gRevDevelopment to true, then set a 
breakpoint on the first line of revInitialise of the behavior of field 
"message" of card "Single Line" of stack "Message Box". At that point I was 
able to use the Handler List popup menu in the script editor to find the line 
of script that made the call.

That technique might be useful to others.

Bob S


On Dec 29, 2016, at 08:25 , Bob Sneidar 
mailto:bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com>> wrote:

Hi all.

I, like a moron, put a value into the message box usign the form "put x" 
without the "into message". Now I cannot find where that bit of code is. Is 
there a place I can modify the code that does that to either break or else save 
the calling program a log file?

Bob S

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How to tell if something is put into the message box

[Bob Sneidar]

Hi all. 

I, like a moron, put a value into the message box usign the form "put x" 
without the "into message". Now I cannot find where that bit of code is. Is 
there a place I can modify the code that does that to either break or else save 
the calling program a log file?

Bob S



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Re: LC 9 Problem inserting Controls

[Bob Sneidar]

Ahah! I've seen in version 8 where I drop a control and it never ends up where 
I actually drop it. Also, the card is overlayed with a blue color, something LC 
never did before. 

Bob S


> On Dec 29, 2016, at 03:53 , Lagi Pittas  wrote:
> 
> Hi Bob,
> 
> It was Toplevel not Modal. I removed all controls one by one - no go. I
> opened it in version 8 , still the same.
> Was going back to six  but I tried a long shot - and prayed.
> 
> I set the scale factor back to 1 (I'm developing on a height of 1280) and
> the controls could be seen. Then I put the scale back but dropped a control
> closer to the right edge and I could just see it.
> 
> 
> So basically when the stack is scaled controls can be dropped on to it  but
> will not be added unless a small part of it can be seen at the edge.
> For example at a scale of .7 if I "placed"  a button on the right side of
> my stack it was "dropped"  to the very left but higher up and I could see
> it.
> 
> If I changed the scale to .6 try as I might it was always "dropped" "off
> stack" and not added.
> 
> I just went back and tried this on version 6 and the "drop" position is
> pretty much the "placed" position with or without scaling.
> 
> One extra little "recipe" for this to fail on 9 is that it is also
> dependant on where on the screen the stack is.
> 
> If the stack is to the left of the screen a button dropped on the right
> edge will become visible and will this be "dropped" at the left edge.
> 
> 
> So I would not have noticed this problem when my stack was over to the left
> of my screen.
> 
> Is this an undocumented feature or just a bug?
> 
> Lagi
> 
> 
> On 29 December 2016 at 02:05, Bob Sneidar 
> wrote:
> 
>> Make sure the stack is not open modally...
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2016, at 11:13 , Lagi Pittas  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> I decided I would skip lc8 and goto 9 for a new project (i'm still using
>> 6
>>> for my main programs - better the devil  )
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Anyway started designing adding controls a few group etc etc.
>>> 
>>> Now I cannot drag ANY control onto the stack/card - even if I exiot and
>>> load afgain.
>>> 
>>> I've done the obvious checked for anything locked etc.
>>> 
>>> IF i create a new stack and drag the controls onto that I can cut and
>> paste
>>> onto the offending stack.
>>> 
>>> Any prayers gratefully accepted
>>> 
>>> Regards Lagi
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Re: EBCDIC to ASCII (Richard Gaskin)

[Richard Gaskin]

Quentin Long wrote:

> sez Richard Gaskin :
>> Anyone here have a function to translate the old EBCDIC encoding
>> format to anything more modern format like ASCII or UTF-8?
>
> Doubtful. If ESR is right about its "at least six mutually
> incompatible versions... and the absence of several ASCII punctuation
> characters... (exactly which characters are absent varies according
> to which version of EBCDIC you're looking at)", you'd pretty much
> *have to* roll your own conversion function. The "six mutually
> incompatible versions" thing strikes me as the most problematic,
> but since the forum member who's asking for this seems to be working
> with files from a single source, maybe it's safe to assume that all
> the relevant files use the same version of EBCDIC?

It's a mess alright, but most interesting to me is what turned out to be 
the solution:


The OP in the forum thread that prompted my query noted that the FTP 
server he's using is just old enough that it includes an EBCDIC-to-ASCII 
algo built in, so that making the FTP request with "text" mode yields 
usable ASCII data.


The trick then became finding out how to specify "text" mode when using 
libURL, and the solution he found was quite simple once you learn enough 
about FTP to know how to do it:


By default FTP deliveres requested files without alteration, but 
apparently you can append the URL with ";TYPE=A" to tell the server to 
deliver the output as ASCII (similar in some respects to how HTTP allows 
arguments to be passed with GET as name-value pairs following a "?" 
after the URL).


His post about that is here:


Interestingly, he notes that this only works when using "get" with 
libURL, and not when using "put" - bug?


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Re: EBCDIC to ASCII (Richard Gaskin)

[Quentin Long]

sez Richard Gaskin :
> Anyone here have a function to translate the old EBCDIC encoding format 
> to anything more modern format like ASCII or UTF-8?
Doubtful. If ESR is right about its "at least six mutually incompatible 
versions... and the absence of several ASCII punctuation characters... (exactly 
which characters are absent varies according to which version of EBCDIC you're 
looking at)", you'd pretty much *have to* roll your own conversion function. 
The "six mutually incompatible versions" thing strikes me as the most 
problematic, but since the forum member who's asking for this seems to be 
working with files from a single source, maybe it's safe to assume that all the 
relevant files use the same version of EBCDIC?

   
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Re: LC 9 Problem inserting Controls

[Lagi Pittas]

Hi Bob,

It was Toplevel not Modal. I removed all controls one by one - no go. I
opened it in version 8 , still the same.
Was going back to six  but I tried a long shot - and prayed.

I set the scale factor back to 1 (I'm developing on a height of 1280) and
the controls could be seen. Then I put the scale back but dropped a control
closer to the right edge and I could just see it.


So basically when the stack is scaled controls can be dropped on to it  but
will not be added unless a small part of it can be seen at the edge.
For example at a scale of .7 if I "placed"  a button on the right side of
my stack it was "dropped"  to the very left but higher up and I could see
it.

If I changed the scale to .6 try as I might it was always "dropped" "off
stack" and not added.

I just went back and tried this on version 6 and the "drop" position is
pretty much the "placed" position with or without scaling.

One extra little "recipe" for this to fail on 9 is that it is also
dependant on where on the screen the stack is.

If the stack is to the left of the screen a button dropped on the right
edge will become visible and will this be "dropped" at the left edge.


So I would not have noticed this problem when my stack was over to the left
of my screen.

Is this an undocumented feature or just a bug?

Lagi


On 29 December 2016 at 02:05, Bob Sneidar 
wrote:

> Make sure the stack is not open modally...
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Dec 28, 2016, at 11:13 , Lagi Pittas  wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > I decided I would skip lc8 and goto 9 for a new project (i'm still using
> 6
> > for my main programs - better the devil  )
> >
> >
> > Anyway started designing adding controls a few group etc etc.
> >
> > Now I cannot drag ANY control onto the stack/card - even if I exiot and
> > load afgain.
> >
> > I've done the obvious checked for anything locked etc.
> >
> > IF i create a new stack and drag the controls onto that I can cut and
> paste
> > onto the offending stack.
> >
> > Any prayers gratefully accepted
> >
> > Regards Lagi
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