Re: Help: Does anyone use legacy message box behavior?

2017-02-06 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode

On 2/6/17 9:28 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Folks

I’m in the midst of making the message box redirect work in all
engines (https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/5156
) and it would seem
that there’s a legacy message box behavior that could be removed from
the engine. It’s not used by the IDE. The behavior is if no message
box redirect is set then it looks for a stack named “Message Box”,
sets the text of the first field then raises the stack. As this is
only an IDE thing I strongly suspect we are ok to remove the code but
while I’m waiting for the team to wake up in Scotland I thought I’d
check here!

It would be easy to work around even if you have been depending on it
because it’s just setting the property and then handling msgChanged
to put msg where ever you want.


Do whatever it takes, I've been waiting for this for years. I could 
really use it right now. Debugging standalones is an exercise in 
frustration.


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Re: Help: Does anyone use legacy message box behavior?

2017-02-06 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 02/06/2017 07:28 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote:


I’m in the midst of making the message box redirect work in all engines 
(https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/5156 
) and it would seem that 
there’s a legacy message box behavior that could be removed from the engine. It’s not 
used by the IDE. The behavior is if no message box redirect is set then it looks for 
a stack named “Message Box”, sets the text of the first field then raises the stack. 
As this is only an IDE thing I strongly suspect we are ok to remove the code but 
while I’m waiting for the team to wake up in Scotland I thought I’d check here!

It would be easy to work around even if you have been depending on it because 
it’s just setting the property and then handling msgChanged to put msg where 
ever you want.


Go for it. Would be nice to have redirect work any/every/where.

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Help: Does anyone use legacy message box behavior?

2017-02-06 Thread Monte Goulding via use-livecode
Hi Folks

I’m in the midst of making the message box redirect work in all engines 
(https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/5156 
) and it would seem that 
there’s a legacy message box behavior that could be removed from the engine. 
It’s not used by the IDE. The behavior is if no message box redirect is set 
then it looks for a stack named “Message Box”, sets the text of the first field 
then raises the stack. As this is only an IDE thing I strongly suspect we are 
ok to remove the code but while I’m waiting for the team to wake up in Scotland 
I thought I’d check here!

It would be easy to work around even if you have been depending on it because 
it’s just setting the property and then handling msgChanged to put msg where 
ever you want.

Cheers

Monte
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Re: Drag List Items Up and Down

2017-02-06 Thread Scott Morrow via use-livecode
 tmPanel did crash once but eventually ran for me on Sierra using LC 8.1.2
—
Scott Morrow

> On Feb 6, 2017, at 11:47 AM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thank you all!  
> 
> FYI tmpanel.rev crashes 8.1.3 (at least here on Sierra)
> 
> 
> 
> On 2/4/17, 11:23 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of AndyP via use-livecode" 
>  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>Nice addition .. thanks.
> 
> 
> 
>-
>Andy Piddock
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Coding Responsive UI in Livecode

2017-02-06 Thread Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode
[moved to a new thread]

Sample stacks are probably the way to go… with some lightweight "guide on how 
to hink about it. Like Trevor wrote "slice up your UI into rectangle and 
groups… go from there."


Richard wrote:

> A lot of the "flak" I hear about using LC is "but it's not
> responsive, at that so easy with HTML5"   They gloss over the
> depth of javascript skills required to actually program the UI
> to do anything other than look pretty. However easy it may be
> to make a  and apply a class. The "ease"
> ends there.

Well said.  "Responsive" isn't a technology, but a design decision
(these days, arguably a requirement).  Regardless of the language used,
decisions need to be made, and the expression of those decisions in code
needs to be tested.

Some things are easier in one language than another, and other things
easier in other languages.

But all of them require commitment to providing a good UX, clear
thinking about the layout goals, and good familiarity with whatever
language will be used to express those goals.


> Point: if we had a more robust set of examples, lessons, youTube
> Tutorials on "building responsive UI for LiveCode" it would go
> a long way in helping the product feel that this issue, is a
> non-issue. Right now it is.

Personally, when it comes to programming I prefer textual tutorials, so
I can copy-and-paste code.  But any tutorials folks in our community
want to deliver would be welcome.


Svasti Astu, Be Well
Brahmanathaswami
www.himalayanacademy.com

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Re: Drag List Items Up and Down

2017-02-06 Thread Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode
Thank you all!  

FYI tmpanel.rev crashes 8.1.3 (at least here on Sierra)

 

On 2/4/17, 11:23 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of AndyP via use-livecode" 
 wrote:

Nice addition .. thanks.



-
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Re: Converting scripts in stacks to script only stack behaviors

2017-02-06 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote:

> A lot of the "flak" I hear about using LC is "but it's not
> responsive, at that so easy with HTML5"   They gloss over the
> depth of javascript skills required to actually program the UI
> to do anything other than look pretty. However easy it may be
> to make a  and apply a class. The "ease"
> ends there.

Well said.  "Responsive" isn't a technology, but a design decision 
(these days, arguably a requirement).  Regardless of the language used, 
decisions need to be made, and the expression of those decisions in code 
needs to be tested.


Some things are easier in one language than another, and other things 
easier in other languages.


But all of them require commitment to providing a good UX, clear 
thinking about the layout goals, and good familiarity with whatever 
language will be used to express those goals.



> Point: if we had a more robust set of examples, lessons, youTube
> Tutorials on "building responsive UI for LiveCode" it would go
> a long way in helping the product feel that this issue, is a
> non-issue. Right now it is.

Personally, when it comes to programming I prefer textual tutorials, so 
I can copy-and-paste code.  But any tutorials folks in our community 
want to deliver would be welcome.


--
 Richard Gaskin
 Fourth World Systems
 Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
 
 ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com

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Re: Browser Widget Appears to be caching data (javascript)?

2017-02-06 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
>From Stack Overflow:

"There's no guaranteed way to force the user to clear the DNS cache, and it is 
often done by their ISP on top of their OS. It shouldn't take more than 24 
hours for the updated DNS to propagate. Your best option is to make the 
transition seamless to the user by using something like mod_proxy with Apache 
to create a reverse proxy to your new server. That would cause all queries to 
the old server to still return the proper results and after a few days you 
would be free to remove the reverse proxy."

Another way is to simple create a redirect on the old page.

Bob S


On Feb 6, 2017, at 09:22 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
> wrote:

I had the DNS caching problem in one project. We had to resort to the "?" 
trick. Without it, different computers or browsers would all load the older 
file, which usually didn't update for 24 hours.

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Re: Browser Widget Appears to be caching data (javascript)?

2017-02-06 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
I had the DNS caching problem in one project. We had to resort to the "?" 
trick. Without it, different computers or browsers would all load the older 
file, which usually didn't update for 24 hours.


--
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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com



On February 6, 2017 10:47:43 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
 wrote:


Right. But that is the browser cache. If you are talking about a url 
resolving to a different site, that is a function of DNS, which is totally 
separate from the browser cache the browser maintains. I do not think the 
browser is capable of bypassing DNS caching.


But maybe I misunderstand the problem.

Bob S


On Feb 6, 2017, at 08:39 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode 
> wrote:


In an actual browser (at least as far as I know) one doesn't have to resort
to tricks.  Like in chrome, ctrl-f5 bipasses cache and reloads.  More info
here.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bypass_your_cache

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RE: Browser Widget Appears to be caching data (JavaScript)?

2017-02-06 Thread Ralph DiMola via use-livecode
To refresh a browser cache I put an argument on the URL that is different
from the last request and the cache will be invalidated. In LC I put
"=12345678" at the end of the URL arguments or if there are no
arguments then I put "?seconds=12345678" where "12345678" is the LC "the
seconds". This only helps if there is no more than 1 request per second. I
there are more that "the milliseconds" would be more appropriate.

The local DNS cache can be refreshed on Windows by "ipconfig /flushdns". I'm
sure that this is function is available on other platforms. Then you are
getting the next level of DNS that you might/might not have access to. If
the next level is your router you can reset that DNS cache, but after that
you have to wait for it to propagate. The TTL of the DNS entry gives an
maximum time this will take. I practice I have found that this happens much
quicker. I use DynDns for IPs that change regularly and that seems to happen
very quickly.


Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services


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Subject: Re: Browser Widget Appears to be caching data (javascript)?

Right. But that is the browser cache. If you are talking about a url
resolving to a different site, that is a function of DNS, which is totally
separate from the browser cache the browser maintains. I do not think the
browser is capable of bypassing DNS caching.

But maybe I misunderstand the problem.

Bob S


On Feb 6, 2017, at 08:39 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode
> wrote:

In an actual browser (at least as far as I know) one doesn't have to resort
to tricks.  Like in chrome, ctrl-f5 bipasses cache and reloads.  More info
here.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bypass_your_cache

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Re: Browser Widget Appears to be caching data (javascript)?

2017-02-06 Thread Mike Bonner via use-livecode
I see where you're going with that, and yeah I believe the mutating url
would get around a dns cache.  Cool!(you can also do it with #134143..
I believe.  There were posts re: this in the forum way back.)

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Right. But that is the browser cache. If you are talking about a url
> resolving to a different site, that is a function of DNS, which is totally
> separate from the browser cache the browser maintains. I do not think the
> browser is capable of bypassing DNS caching.
>
> But maybe I misunderstand the problem.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2017, at 08:39 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
> wrote:
>
> In an actual browser (at least as far as I know) one doesn't have to resort
> to tricks.  Like in chrome, ctrl-f5 bipasses cache and reloads.  More info
> here.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bypass_your_cache
>
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Re: Browser Widget Appears to be caching data (javascript)?

2017-02-06 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Right. But that is the browser cache. If you are talking about a url resolving 
to a different site, that is a function of DNS, which is totally separate from 
the browser cache the browser maintains. I do not think the browser is capable 
of bypassing DNS caching.

But maybe I misunderstand the problem.

Bob S


On Feb 6, 2017, at 08:39 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode 
> wrote:

In an actual browser (at least as far as I know) one doesn't have to resort
to tricks.  Like in chrome, ctrl-f5 bipasses cache and reloads.  More info
here.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bypass_your_cache

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Re: Browser Widget Appears to be caching data (javascript)?

2017-02-06 Thread Mike Bonner via use-livecode
In an actual browser (at least as far as I know) one doesn't have to resort
to tricks.  Like in chrome, ctrl-f5 bipasses cache and reloads.  More info
here.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bypass_your_cache


On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Old site? This may be DNS caching not browser caching. Clear the cache on
> your computer, and if possible, if you have a local DNS server, clear that
> cache as well.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Feb 5, 2017, at 12:16 , JOHN PATTEN via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Bill,
> >
> > Did not seem to make a difference with the “?” added to the end. It is
> still going to the old site.
> >
> > I have attached an example stack. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.
> com/u/6767916/Pano%20JavaScript%20Tester.livecode.zip
> >
> > The “cow” hotspot should launch the NASA site instead of the cow site.
> (I’m guessing it will work for you the first time though. I would have to
> change the url in the javascript after you were to try it once, and then
> see if the hotspot goes to the new url.)
> >
> > The cow hotspot should be going to the nasa.gov site.
> >
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > John Patten
> > SUSD
> >> On Feb 5, 2017, at 11:53 AM, William Prothero via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> John:
> >> Try adding “?” to the URL. This should force reload.
> >> Bill
> >>
> >>> On Feb 5, 2017, at 11:31 AM, JOHN PATTEN via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi All,
> >>>
> >>> How do you get the browser widget to dump any cached web content?
> >>>
> >>> I have an html5 panoramic running in a browser widget. I change the
> javascript code associated to a hotspot to point to a different url, but
> the hotspot link continues to point to the old URL.
> >>>
> >>> If I launch the panorama in a browser (Chrome,) the hotspot points to
> the changed url.
> >>>
> >>> Why after loading the panorama in the browser widget does the hotspot
> continue to point to the old url?
> >>>
> >>> Thank you!
> >>>
> >>> John Patten
> >>> SUSD
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Re: fontNames

2017-02-06 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Mud is much clearer. ;-)

Bob S


On Feb 3, 2017, at 19:20 , Fraser Gordon via use-livecode 
> wrote:

So, no, because LiveCode doesn't provide a way to get the "display name" of the 
font used for these.

But yes, because the font really *is* "(Message)" because that's the only name 
for it that LiveCode can actually use.

I hope that's about as clear as mud for you ;)

Fraser

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Re: Different result in LC 6 to LC 8 when copying field text into Excel?

2017-02-06 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
If it helps, it may be a Mac OS issue. If I open a text file exported from a 
Toshiba copier, like the address book let's say, then open it with a text 
editor like SimpleText, and then save it, I cannot reimport the text file. The 
copier thinks that the file is unreadable. This happens with other Mac OS apps 
like Excel and Word. Someone at Apple thought it was a good idea to just help 
us out by replacing foreign line wraps to carriage returns. Oh, and not tell us 
they were doing it.

Bob S


On Feb 5, 2017, at 17:43 , Trevor DeVore via use-livecode 
> wrote:

I wonder if this is related to the following bug where pasting into Notepad
strips all newlines. It would appear that LC 8 is having trouble putting
new lines on the clipboard properly.

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Re: Creating LiveCode applications that play well with version control software

2017-02-06 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Trevor doesn't just think outside the box. He comes up with new ways to make 
better boxes, and more efficiently in the bargain. 

Bob S


> On Feb 5, 2017, at 05:55 , Dave Kilroy via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Wow this is fantastic!
> 
> Thank you so much for sharing what you’ve done, it really is remarkable
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Dave
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Re: Converting scripts in stacks to script only stack behaviors

2017-02-06 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
+1

The whole point, or one of the points to object oriented development was to 
de-centralize the code base. As stated in other posts it really comes down to 
how complex your app is. I have cards that can be used in any stack, and cards 
that are very specific to the app. Same with different stacks.

Bob S


On Feb 5, 2017, at 19:52 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
> wrote:

I personally don't like everything in one file.  I conceptualize things
better if I can think of them as being separate.  When I'm building
interfaces, I could lay everything out on one card and use groups to
show/hide the relevant controls, but in my head they're all still there.
In interfaces that have overlays, I am constantly fighting the clutter that
I imagine in my head.  The new PB, without thumbnails, just makes that
issue worse for me.

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Re: Checking out the "Resources" button in LC9

2017-02-06 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
This is an unfortunate anology. I like you, were taught this in biology, but 
since then it seems medical science has discovered that the appendix is a 
functional organ.

http://www.sciencefocus.com/news/what-does-appendix-do-lot-more-we-thought%E2%80%A6

Bob S


On Feb 6, 2017, at 02:47 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
> wrote:

LC 9 is a bit like a human being who has an appendix because millions of
years ago his/her ancestors were eating a high fibre diet in the depths of
the Pangean jungle: full of old, outdated stuff that has been overlooked in
the relentess onward drive.

Richmond.

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Re: Browser Widget Appears to be caching data (javascript)?

2017-02-06 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Old site? This may be DNS caching not browser caching. Clear the cache on your 
computer, and if possible, if you have a local DNS server, clear that cache as 
well. 

Bob S


> On Feb 5, 2017, at 12:16 , JOHN PATTEN via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Bill,
> 
> Did not seem to make a difference with the “?” added to the end. It is still 
> going to the old site.
> 
> I have attached an example stack. 
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6767916/Pano%20JavaScript%20Tester.livecode.zip
> 
> The “cow” hotspot should launch the NASA site instead of the cow site.  (I’m 
> guessing it will work for you the first time though. I would have to change 
> the url in the javascript after you were to try it once, and then see if the 
> hotspot goes to the new url.)
> 
> The cow hotspot should be going to the nasa.gov site.
> 
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> John Patten
> SUSD
>> On Feb 5, 2017, at 11:53 AM, William Prothero via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> John:
>> Try adding “?” to the URL. This should force reload.
>> Bill
>> 
>>> On Feb 5, 2017, at 11:31 AM, JOHN PATTEN via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> How do you get the browser widget to dump any cached web content?
>>> 
>>> I have an html5 panoramic running in a browser widget. I change the 
>>> javascript code associated to a hotspot to point to a different url, but 
>>> the hotspot link continues to point to the old URL. 
>>> 
>>> If I launch the panorama in a browser (Chrome,) the hotspot points to the 
>>> changed url.  
>>> 
>>> Why after loading the panorama in the browser widget does the hotspot 
>>> continue to point to the old url?
>>> 
>>> Thank you!
>>> 
>>> John Patten
>>> SUSD
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Re: Browser Widget Appears to be caching data (javascript)?

2017-02-06 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
In ANY browser?? I did not know that!!

Bob S


On Feb 5, 2017, at 11:53 , William Prothero via use-livecode 
> wrote:

John:
Try adding “?” to the URL. This should force reload.
Bill

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Re: Checking out the "Resources" button in LC9

2017-02-06 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
I was thinking about some of the old deprecated/obsolete features (like the
Resources), too.  I think that some of those should be resurrected in 9,
because they are things that a n00b might appreciate.  Some of the SQL
tools are one good example, like field binding.

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 5:47 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> LC 9 is a bit like a human being who has an appendix because millions of
> years ago his/her ancestors were eating a high fibre diet in the depths of
> the Pangean jungle: full of old, outdated stuff that has been overlooked in
> the relentess onward drive.
>
> Richmond.
>
> On Feb 5, 2017 8:18 PM, "William Prothero via use-livecode" <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > This has probably been noticed by others, but I just clicked the
> > “Resources” button in LC9. It looks like a lot of great stuff. But, seems
> > way, way out of date. Refers to Revolution, v2.7, etc.
> >
> > I know the mothership is very busy implementing new features. But, to get
> > new users, this kind of resource will be needed and the fact that it’s so
> > old seeming might be a turnoff.
> >
> > Best,
> > Bill
> >
> > William A. Prothero
> > http://earthlearningsolution.org/
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Re: Checking out the "Resources" button in LC9

2017-02-06 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
LC 9 is a bit like a human being who has an appendix because millions of
years ago his/her ancestors were eating a high fibre diet in the depths of
the Pangean jungle: full of old, outdated stuff that has been overlooked in
the relentess onward drive.

Richmond.

On Feb 5, 2017 8:18 PM, "William Prothero via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> This has probably been noticed by others, but I just clicked the
> “Resources” button in LC9. It looks like a lot of great stuff. But, seems
> way, way out of date. Refers to Revolution, v2.7, etc.
>
> I know the mothership is very busy implementing new features. But, to get
> new users, this kind of resource will be needed and the fact that it’s so
> old seeming might be a turnoff.
>
> Best,
> Bill
>
> William A. Prothero
> http://earthlearningsolution.org/
>
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[ANN] This Week in LiveCode 69

2017-02-06 Thread Peter TB Brett via use-livecode

Hi all,

Read about new developments in LiveCode open source and the open source
community in today's edition of the "This Week in LiveCode" newsletter!

Read issue #69 here: https://goo.gl/iaxtl0


This is a weekly newsletter about LiveCode, focussing on what's been
going on in and around the open source project.  New issues will be
released weekly on Mondays.  We have a dedicated mailing list that will
deliver each issue directly to you e-mail, so you don't miss any!

If you have anything you'd like mentioned (a project, a discussion
somewhere, an upcoming event) then please get in touch.

 Peter

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Re: Quartam reports blank page on Sierra Macosx

2017-02-06 Thread Jan Schenkel via use-livecode
Hi Josep,

I'm always happy to help, but if you post on the forum on Saturday afternoon, 
then you might not get an answer by Sunday afternoon...
Can you provide a little more background infoàrmation, because I can't quite 
follow what problem you are encountering.
Some screenshots or perhaps a screen recording would definitely help me to 
understand the issue.

Let's continue this over on http://forums.quartam.com so the good folks on the 
use-livecode list can concentrate on the LiveCode bits :-)

Cheers,

Jan Schenkel.

=
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
www.quartam.com

=
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La 
Rochefoucauld)


On Sat, 2/4/17, Josep Maria Yepes Montardit via use-livecode 
 wrote:

 Subject: Quartam reports blank page on Sierra Macosx
 To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
 Cc: "Josep Maria Yepes Montardit" 
 Date: Saturday, February 4, 2017, 6:37 AM
 
 Hi,
 
 I need help with Quartam Reports. Since Sierra MacOSX when
 you print preview any report a blank page left on desktop
 making unusable these zone until close the app.
 Since now was impossible contact with Quartam support.
 Any idea if Quartam still exist or is supported?
 Alternatives?
 
 Salut,
 Josep M
 
 
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