Re: Using alt-key clicks on linux

2017-05-29 Thread hh via use-livecode
>> hh: >> As you said earlier: >> "... some things make more semantic sense with Alt rather than Shift". >> >> Alt happens. > RG: > ... but not in a vacuum. "Alt happens" is the alt-variant of "Shift happens" (Forrest Gump). > RG wrote: > A click gesture is so common that most folks don't even

Re: Using alt-key clicks on linux

2017-05-29 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Roger Eller wrote: > Further back, it was said that this is only an issue when LiveCode > misbehaves and is a window can't be selected because it is outside the > screen. So if true, LC should have a built-in way to recover the > window, > like how Control-period stops a script. How about

Re: Using alt-key clicks on linux

2017-05-29 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
hh wrote: > You could try to rethink why that key is named "optionKey" or > "altKey". > > Using the altkey with another key on the keyboard is not the same > as using it with the mouse. Easy to understand. It's a simple option. > > As you said earlier: > "... some things make more semantic sense

Re: Using alt-key clicks on linux

2017-05-29 Thread Roger Eller via use-livecode
On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 3:08 PM, hh via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > You could try to rethink why that key is named "optionKey" or "altKey". > > Using the altkey with another key on the keyboard is not the same > as using it with the mouse. Easy to understand. It's a

Re: Using alt-key clicks on linux

2017-05-29 Thread hh via use-livecode
You could try to rethink why that key is named "optionKey" or "altKey". Using the altkey with another key on the keyboard is not the same as using it with the mouse. Easy to understand. It's a simple option. As you said earlier: "... some things make more semantic sense with Alt rather than

Re: Using alt-key clicks on linux

2017-05-29 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
hh wrote: >>> hh wrote: >>> Nearly all linux users (incl. Raspi users) are smarter than you >>> believe. > >> RG wrote: >> Personally, I think great app design is more a function of >> discovering what's intuitive than testing cognitive boundaries. > > Sorry, I forgot to say that you are an

Re: Using alt-key clicks on linux

2017-05-29 Thread hh via use-livecode
>> hh wrote: >> Nearly all linux users (incl. Raspi users) are smarter than you believe. > RG wrote: > Personally, I think great app design is more a function of discovering > what's intuitive than testing cognitive boundaries. Sorry, I forgot to say that you are an exception: Obviously you are

Re: [ANN] This Week in LiveCode 84

2017-05-29 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
panagiotis merakos wrote: >Read issue #84 here: https://goo.gl/x5JX4g Where we find a page that includes: Fix positioning of windows in the Interactive Tutorial if screenPixelScale != 1 "!=" feels pretty natural for expression "not equals", doesn't it?

Re: Using alt-key clicks on linux

2017-05-29 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
hh wrote: > Richard, > > now that you essentially said over and over again > "it also means not being able to rely on Alt-click in our UIs": > > I say, still valid and also worth to repeat, there is a difference in > "alt-clicking" between alt-mouseDown and alt-mouseUp on linux: > > [1] > ***

Re: Using alt-key clicks on linux

2017-05-29 Thread hh via use-livecode
Richard, now that you essentially said over and over again "it also means not being able to rely on Alt-click in our UIs": I say, still valid and also worth to repeat, there is a difference in "alt-clicking" between alt-mouseDown and alt-mouseUp on linux: [1] *** alt-mouseDown does NOT come

Re: Using alt-key clicks on linux

2017-05-29 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Mark Wieder wrote: > On 05/29/2017 08:30 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: > >> Personally, it seems a bit heavy-handed of the Gnome team to block >> a modifier key so sweepingly. I may see about submitting an >> enhancement request to them to change that from Alt-click to >>

tsNet licensing error using the business version of LC server

2017-05-29 Thread Ralf Bitter via use-livecode
LC server yields an error on Ubuntu 16.04 Lts using any LC server business version and the associated tsNet version: “external: unlicensed (tsNet)” This is strange as there is no licensing issue with the Indy version. Seems the business license being valid needs to be approved somehow, but how

Re: Using alt-key clicks on linux

2017-05-29 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode
On 05/29/2017 08:30 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: Personally, it seems a bit heavy-handed of the Gnome team to block a modifier key so sweepingly. I may see about submitting an enhancement request to them to change that from Alt-click to Alt-rightclick, which seems far better

Re: Using alt-key clicks on linux

2017-05-29 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
hh wrote: >> Richard Gaskin wrote (in thread 'nice Sierra feature'): >>> Mark Wieder wrote: >>> On linux you can alt-click to grab and move a window. >> >> ... which is both great and horrible. >> It's handy, of course, but it also means not being able to rely on >> Alt-click in our UIs. >> In

Re: [ANN] This Week in LiveCode 84

2017-05-29 Thread Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode
I see that you guys added an "exit on suspend" checkbox. Thank you! Sent from my iPhone > On May 29, 2017, at 7:13 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode > wrote: > > Hi all, > > Read about new developments in LiveCode open source and the open source >

[ANN] This Week in LiveCode 84

2017-05-29 Thread panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
Hi all, Read about new developments in LiveCode open source and the open source community in today's edition of the "This Week in LiveCode" newsletter! Read issue #84 here: https://goo.gl/x5JX4g This is a weekly newsletter about LiveCode, focussing on what's been going on in and around