Re: 64 bit desktop apps

2017-06-09 Thread Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> You can now hear Clarus moofing for yourself:
> http://clarus.chez-alice.fr/
>

Or I could pop in one of my old developer CDs.

I bought my first CD drive when apple started shipping on them instead of
floppies.  $700, less 50% for being a developer, iirc.

And I think it was more like half-speed than single-speed.

I don't recall if it was on the floppies, but I'm pretty sure I gave up or
reuused those decades ago . . .

Back then, it was $600 year to be a developer, but they probably paid close
to that in printing, pressing, and shipping.

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Re: [ANN] a gauge widget

2017-06-09 Thread Peter Thirkell via use-livecode
Re:
I get the following error message:
?Can?t save stack ? due to an error: Error writing stack (disk full?)”

I had this issue a while back and Ali set me 
right:

“You can’t serialise a non-primitive type in your OnSave code. If you try to 
put a canvas type (for example Color) in the properties array, there will be 
issues when saving. You need to convert to String beforehand.”

Hope this helps.

Peter Thirkell

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Re: [ANN] a gauge widget

2017-06-09 Thread Niggemann, Bernd via use-livecode
The problem with saving has been solved and a new version of the Gauge widget 
has been uploaded to the edited first post.

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93=29348=154750

this version also adds a SVG icon to the widget.

Thanks everyone for your interest and hints.

Should have tested before posting of course, sorry.

Kind regards
Bernd
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Re: [ANN] a gauge widget

2017-06-09 Thread BNig via use-livecode
Thanks Tom,

I had just found out what the problem was,

Now it works as advertised.

will update the .lcb file in the forum to version 0.2.0

Kind regards
Bernd



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Re: [ANN] a gauge widget

2017-06-09 Thread Niggemann, Bernd via use-livecode
> Check that all the vars which are saved into the props array have been
> assigned, and that the getRadiusAndCenterPoint() can't throw an error in
> that case.


thanks Mark for looking into this.

The problem was that onSave did not appreciate saving a variable of type Color, 
I had to do string conversions. Then it works.

Kind regards 
Bernd
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Re: [ANN] a gauge widget

2017-06-09 Thread Ali Lloyd via use-livecode
Bernd,
The problem with your OnSave / OnLoad handlers are that Point and Color are
types defined in the canvas module that the array-saving code does not know
about. These need to be converted to a core type, eg string or list.

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 7:52 PM Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
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> Slow learner:
>
> https://livecode.com/app-in-a-day/livecode/installing-extensions/
>
> On 6/9/17 9:21 pm, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> > This looks exciting, if only I knew how to install it . . .
> >
> > Richmond.
> >
> > On 6/9/17 12:43 pm, BNig via use-livecode wrote:
> >> further experimenting with Livecode Builder I did a Gauge widget that I
> >> posted in the Forum
> >>
> >> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93=29348
> >>
> >>
> >> Kind regards
> >> Bernd
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: livecode connect framework

2017-06-09 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
if the only hint is that its available to all attendees of the conference,
we can't be sure i guess we will find out...what a great feature for LC
and its bright future.  In a way i am indifferent, since I can build my own
handlers to talk to any api i want and i do want livecode inc to
prosper ALOT, so if they decide its a non-community feature thats ok with
me.

thanks for looking Richard.

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
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> D'oh!  Anxious as I was to find the answer to Tom's question I zeroed in
> on the URL and off I went.  Thanks.
>
> For others hunting for this here's the description:
>
> Web-based APIs using the REST model have become the lingua-franca
> for interacting with cloud-based services and the web – indeed, all
> the most popular services we use today use this modal, including
> Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, Google and Amazon Web Services.
>
> In this talk Mark will be introducing ‘LiveCode Connect’. A new tool
> which allows almost immediate access to any web API which has joined
> the army of services moving to an abstract description of themselves
> based on the emerging OpenAPI standard.
>
> He will show how the tool takes the hard work out of interacting
> with popular web platforms; allowing them to be accessed via simple
> commands and functions in a safe, correct and reliable way.
>
> This new LiveCode feature will be made available to all attendees
> free.
>
> Sounds very exciting, a great way for LC to show its stuff against JS and
> Python based tools.
>
> Since "all attendees" includes many who use the GPL-governed Community
> Edition, I'm assuming any distributable libraries or code will be
> dual-licensed, yes?
>
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>
> Mark Waddingham wrote:
>
> Indeed - that's why I put the day and date in my email.
>>
>> Mark.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 9 Jun 2017, at 20:19, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode >> lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mark Waddingham wrote:
>>>
>>> > On 2017-06-09 17:53, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>>> >> Tom Glod wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> hey everyone, I just learned about the livecode connect framework
>>> >>
>>> >> You're ahead of me - what is it?
>>> >
>>> > The talk is on Thursday 13th July - you can read the description here:
>>> >
>>> > https://livecode.com/global/#schedule
>>> >
>>> > To learn more about it you will need to wait until the conference!
>>>
>>> The accordion layout prevents me from search all sections of the page at
>>> once.
>>>
>>> What day is the LC Connect Framework on?
>>>
>>
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Re: livecode connect framework

2017-06-09 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
D'oh!  Anxious as I was to find the answer to Tom's question I zeroed in 
on the URL and off I went.  Thanks.


For others hunting for this here's the description:

Web-based APIs using the REST model have become the lingua-franca
for interacting with cloud-based services and the web – indeed, all
the most popular services we use today use this modal, including
Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, Google and Amazon Web Services.

In this talk Mark will be introducing ‘LiveCode Connect’. A new tool
which allows almost immediate access to any web API which has joined
the army of services moving to an abstract description of themselves
based on the emerging OpenAPI standard.

He will show how the tool takes the hard work out of interacting
with popular web platforms; allowing them to be accessed via simple
commands and functions in a safe, correct and reliable way.

This new LiveCode feature will be made available to all attendees
free.

Sounds very exciting, a great way for LC to show its stuff against JS 
and Python based tools.


Since "all attendees" includes many who use the GPL-governed Community 
Edition, I'm assuming any distributable libraries or code will be 
dual-licensed, yes?


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Mark Waddingham wrote:


Indeed - that's why I put the day and date in my email.

Mark.

Sent from my iPhone


On 9 Jun 2017, at 20:19, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode  wrote:

Mark Waddingham wrote:

> On 2017-06-09 17:53, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>> Tom Glod wrote:
>>
>>> hey everyone, I just learned about the livecode connect framework
>>
>> You're ahead of me - what is it?
>
> The talk is on Thursday 13th July - you can read the description here:
>
> https://livecode.com/global/#schedule
>
> To learn more about it you will need to wait until the conference!

The accordion layout prevents me from search all sections of the page at once.

What day is the LC Connect Framework on?



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Re: livecode connect framework

2017-06-09 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
That's great to hear! Specifically strategies for handling/ refreshing
authorization tokens for Google and github services
https://developers.google.com/identity/protocols/OAuth2

On 9 Jun 2017 8:19 pm, "Richard Gaskin via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Mark Waddingham wrote:
>
> > On 2017-06-09 17:53, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> >> Tom Glod wrote:
> >>
> >>> hey everyone, I just learned about the livecode connect framework
> >>
> >> You're ahead of me - what is it?
> >
> > The talk is on Thursday 13th July - you can read the description here:
> >
> > https://livecode.com/global/#schedule
> >
> > To learn more about it you will need to wait until the conference!
>
> The accordion layout prevents me from search all sections of the page at
> once.
>
> What day is the LC Connect Framework on?
>
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Happy birthday, Ali!

2017-06-09 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD5TBdpRW3A

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Re: livecode connect framework

2017-06-09 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
Indeed - that's why I put the day and date in my email.

Mark.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 9 Jun 2017, at 20:19, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mark Waddingham wrote:
> 
> > On 2017-06-09 17:53, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> >> Tom Glod wrote:
> >>
> >>> hey everyone, I just learned about the livecode connect framework
> >>
> >> You're ahead of me - what is it?
> >
> > The talk is on Thursday 13th July - you can read the description here:
> >
> > https://livecode.com/global/#schedule
> >
> > To learn more about it you will need to wait until the conference!
> 
> The accordion layout prevents me from search all sections of the page at once.
> 
> What day is the LC Connect Framework on?
> 
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Re: livecode connect framework

2017-06-09 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

Mark Waddingham wrote:

> On 2017-06-09 17:53, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>> Tom Glod wrote:
>>
>>> hey everyone, I just learned about the livecode connect framework
>>
>> You're ahead of me - what is it?
>
> The talk is on Thursday 13th July - you can read the description here:
>
> https://livecode.com/global/#schedule
>
> To learn more about it you will need to wait until the conference!

The accordion layout prevents me from search all sections of the page at 
once.


What day is the LC Connect Framework on?

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Re: livecode connect framework

2017-06-09 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
Authentication is a key part of using web services, so I can safely say it will 
be touched upon.

If you can go into a bit more detail about what you'd like to know I can chat 
to Michael about potentially including something on that topic in his database 
/ cloud series of talks - he might have more time to cover oauth specifically. 
(He also knows much more about it than I do - which helps!).

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 9 Jun 2017, at 20:05, Dan Brown via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is the talk likely to touch on oauth strategies?
> 
> On 9 Jun 2017 7:56 pm, "Mark Waddingham via use-livecode" <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>>> On 2017-06-09 17:53, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tom Glod wrote:
>>> 
>>> hey everyone, I just learned about the livecode connect framework
 
>>> 
>>> You're ahead of me - what is it?
>>> 
>> 
>> The talk is on Thursday 13th July - you can read the description here:
>> 
>>   https://livecode.com/global/#schedule
>> 
>> To learn more about it you will need to wait until the conference!
>> 
>> Warmest Regards,
>> 
>> Mark.
>> 
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Re: livecode connect framework

2017-06-09 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
Is the talk likely to touch on oauth strategies?

On 9 Jun 2017 7:56 pm, "Mark Waddingham via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 2017-06-09 17:53, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Tom Glod wrote:
>>
>> hey everyone, I just learned about the livecode connect framework
>>>
>>
>> You're ahead of me - what is it?
>>
>
> The talk is on Thursday 13th July - you can read the description here:
>
>https://livecode.com/global/#schedule
>
> To learn more about it you will need to wait until the conference!
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Mark.
>
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Re: livecode connect framework

2017-06-09 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode

On 2017-06-09 17:53, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

Tom Glod wrote:


hey everyone, I just learned about the livecode connect framework


You're ahead of me - what is it?


The talk is on Thursday 13th July - you can read the description here:

   https://livecode.com/global/#schedule

To learn more about it you will need to wait until the conference!

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

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Re: livecode connect framework

2017-06-09 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Thanks for your suggestion but attachments allowed on this mail-list. They
are allowed on forums.
or you could find a web location somewhere and link to it...

sqb

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> i tried to attach a pdf of the email i received but it is being held for




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Re: [ANN] a gauge widget

2017-06-09 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode

Slow learner:

https://livecode.com/app-in-a-day/livecode/installing-extensions/

On 6/9/17 9:21 pm, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

This looks exciting, if only I knew how to install it . . .

Richmond.

On 6/9/17 12:43 pm, BNig via use-livecode wrote:

further experimenting with Livecode Builder I did a Gauge widget that I
posted in the Forum

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93=29348


Kind regards
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Re: [ANN] a gauge widget

2017-06-09 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode

On 2017-06-09 20:46, Niggemann, Bernd via use-livecode wrote:

But I can not find what I did wrong in onSave. Still searching.


Check that all the vars which are saved into the props array have been 
assigned, and that the getRadiusAndCenterPoint() can't throw an error in 
that case.


I can't see anything wrong with your code either. File a bug if you 
don't get very far and I'll take a look on Monday to see what's going on 
in the engine :)


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Re: [ANN] a gauge widget

2017-06-09 Thread Niggemann, Bernd via use-livecode
On 2017-06-09 20:02, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode wrote:


Another thing i noticed is that i cannot save the stack when the
widget is placed onto the stack.
I get the following error message:
“Can´t save stack … due to an error: Error writing stack (disk full?)"


That means that the OnSave handler in Bernd's widget is throwing an error in 
this case I think. What version of LiveCode are you trying the widget in?

The '?' at the end of the error message is important here - it is a suggestion 
that it *might* be that, but all the save methods in the engine only return a 
binary state IO_ERROR, or IO_NORMAL - so by the time things unwind back up to 
where the error can be reported, it can only say it failed.

Warmest Regards,

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Apologies, I did not try to save a stack with the widget. Should have done 
that, I see the same error in DP6 and 8.1.4 and 8.1.2

But I can not find what I did wrong in onSave. Still searching.

Kind regards
Bernd
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Re: Ben Beaumont jumps ship.

2017-06-09 Thread Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 11:26 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
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> If we're counting HC, I've been "there" longer than Kevin. :) And so have
> several others on this list.
>

If that counts, I'm day 1 . . .

At times, I wonder about what would happened if I asked SuperCard for an
upgrade . . . to my version 1.5 disks . . .

And if SuperCard had leaked that the PC version was coming, I wouldn't have
abandoned my project 25 years ago, and would probably be the largest player
in bankruptcy software today . . .

*sigh*


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Re: Ben Beaumont jumps ship.

2017-06-09 Thread Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 10:13 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
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> Ah, but you've forgotten Elanor who's been there almost as long as
> Heather. She's my placeholder.


But she didn't jump in about surviving . . .


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Re: 64 bit desktop apps

2017-06-09 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 06/08/2017 07:53 AM, Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode wrote:


moof!

(dating myself . . .)




You can now hear Clarus moofing for yourself:
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Re: [ANN] a gauge widget

2017-06-09 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode

On 2017-06-09 20:02, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode wrote:

Another thing i noticed is that i cannot save the stack when the
widget is placed onto the stack.
I get the following error message:
“Can´t save stack … due to an error: Error writing stack (disk full?)"


That means that the OnSave handler in Bernd's widget is throwing an 
error in this case I think. What version of LiveCode are you trying the 
widget in?


The '?' at the end of the error message is important here - it is a 
suggestion that it *might* be that, but all the save methods in the 
engine only return a binary state IO_ERROR, or IO_NORMAL -  so by the 
time things unwind back up to where the error can be reported, it can 
only say it failed.


Warmest Regards,

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Re: Ben Beaumont jumps ship.

2017-06-09 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode

I discovered HC in 1993, and MC and RR/LC simultaneously in 2001;
having experienced a traumatic hiatus with Toolbook!

Richmond.

On 6/9/17 9:26 pm, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
If we're counting HC, I've been "there" longer than Kevin. :) And so 
have several others on this list.


We won't discuss your calculations. My time warp stack makes those 
moot anyway.


On 6/9/17 12:44 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
And, according to my calculations, you, Jacque have been "there" far 
longer than Heather

if Hypercard is still a location.

Richmond.

On 6/9/17 8:13 pm, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
On June 9, 2017 11:17:13 AM "Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode" 
 wrote:



On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 6:33 AM, dunbarx via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


And gals.


No, so far no gals.  Jacque & company aren't keeping up their end :)


Ah, but you've forgotten Elanor who's been there almost as long as 
Heather. She's my placeholder.


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Re: Ben Beaumont jumps ship.

2017-06-09 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
If we're counting HC, I've been "there" longer than Kevin. :) And so 
have several others on this list.


We won't discuss your calculations. My time warp stack makes those moot 
anyway.


On 6/9/17 12:44 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
And, according to my calculations, you, Jacque have been "there" far 
longer than Heather

if Hypercard is still a location.

Richmond.

On 6/9/17 8:13 pm, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
On June 9, 2017 11:17:13 AM "Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode" 
 wrote:



On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 6:33 AM, dunbarx via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


And gals.


No, so far no gals.  Jacque & company aren't keeping up their end :)


Ah, but you've forgotten Elanor who's been there almost as long as 
Heather. She's my placeholder.


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Re: [ANN] a gauge widget

2017-06-09 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode

This looks exciting, if only I knew how to install it . . .

Richmond.

On 6/9/17 12:43 pm, BNig via use-livecode wrote:

further experimenting with Livecode Builder I did a Gauge widget that I
posted in the Forum

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93=29348


Kind regards
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Re: [ANN] a gauge widget

2017-06-09 Thread Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode
Hi Bernd,
thanks. Believe me, i would do it for installation by myself if i would know 
how to do it.;)


Another thing i noticed is that i cannot save the stack when the widget is 
placed onto the stack.
I get the following error message:
“Can´t save stack … due to an error: Error writing stack (disk full?)"

I have over 2 TB space left on the disk and i have no problems with any other 
widget. Just with yours. Is there something i am missing?

Regards,
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> Am 09.06.2017 um 19:52 schrieb Niggemann, Bernd via use-livecode 
> >:
> 
> Thanks everybody for their kind words.
> 
> Livecode Builder takes a while to get into but then it is actually fun.
> 
> And you can do things that are not possible in Livecode Script
> 
> 
> 
> Matthias Rebbe wrote:
> 
> What i noticed is that the widget has a general
> icon showing the text widget. Is there a way to add a custom icon? Would be
> much easier to recognise it when several widgets with general icons are
> installed.
> 
> 
> I will add a SVG icon in the next version.
> 
> Kind regards
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Re: [ANN] a gauge widget

2017-06-09 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 06/09/2017 09:49 AM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode wrote:

Bernd,
thanks for that cool widget. What i noticed is that the widget has a general 
icon showing the text widget. Is there a way to add a custom icon? Would be 
much easier to recognise it when several widgets with general icons are 
installed.


It shows up nicely in the latest PowerTools build, now available for 
updating.


http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93=29348=154761#p154761

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Re: [ANN] a gauge widget

2017-06-09 Thread Niggemann, Bernd via use-livecode
Thanks everybody for their kind words.

Livecode Builder takes a while to get into but then it is actually fun.

And you can do things that are not possible in Livecode Script



Matthias Rebbe wrote:

What i noticed is that the widget has a general
icon showing the text widget. Is there a way to add a custom icon? Would be
much easier to recognise it when several widgets with general icons are
installed.


I will add a SVG icon in the next version.

Kind regards
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Re: Ben Beaumont jumps ship.

2017-06-09 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
And, according to my calculations, you, Jacque have been "there" far 
longer than Heather

if Hypercard is still a location.

Richmond.

On 6/9/17 8:13 pm, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
On June 9, 2017 11:17:13 AM "Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode" 
 wrote:



On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 6:33 AM, dunbarx via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


And gals.


No, so far no gals.  Jacque & company aren't keeping up their end :)


Ah, but you've forgotten Elanor who's been there almost as long as 
Heather. She's my placeholder.


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Re: Price of LiveCode Global

2017-06-09 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode

Perhaps you should ask Theresa May.

Richmond.

On 6/9/17 5:37 pm, Kaveh Bazargan via use-livecode wrote:

How does $299 convert to £282?



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Re: Ben Beaumont jumps ship.

2017-06-09 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
On June 9, 2017 11:17:13 AM "Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode" 
 wrote:



On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 6:33 AM, dunbarx via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


And gals.


No, so far no gals.  Jacque & company aren't keeping up their end :)


Ah, but you've forgotten Elanor who's been there almost as long as Heather. 
She's my placeholder.


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Re: [ANN] a gauge widget

2017-06-09 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode

Bernd's stuff is always so amazing. Very cool.

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Re: livecode connect framework

2017-06-09 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
i tried to attach a pdf of the email i received but it is being held for
moderation. the newsletter was sent out earlier today. "our biggest
technology announcement this year"... its a framework for rest API's for
youtube,twitter,aws and a bunch more

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Tom Glod  wrote:

> see attachment
>
> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> On 06/09/2017 08:53 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>>> Tom Glod wrote:
>>>
>>>  > hey everyone, I just learned about the livecode connect framework
>>>
>>> You're ahead of me - what is it?
>>>
>>>
>> OMG - another three-letter acronym? LCF!
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Re: [ANN] a gauge widget

2017-06-09 Thread Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode
Bernd,
thanks for that cool widget. What i noticed is that the widget has a general 
icon showing the text widget. Is there a way to add a custom icon? Would be 
much easier to recognise it when several widgets with general icons are 
installed.

Matthias

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> Am 09.06.2017 um 18:13 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
> >:
> 
> On 06/09/2017 02:43 AM, BNig via use-livecode wrote:
>> further experimenting with Livecode Builder I did a Gauge widget that I
>> posted in the Forum
> 
> That is *very* cool. And thanks - you just saved me a bunch of time. I've 
> been trying to wrap my head around how to make one of these and now I don't 
> have to. Gonna have fun with this today.
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Re: 64 bit desktop apps

2017-06-09 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

Mark Waddingham wrote:

Richard's repeated suggestion that such machines should be 'Linux-ised' 
still always was and continues to be an excellent suggestion. Remember 
that as as time goes by the amount of up to date software which *can* 
run on them will dwindle to nothing - for the same reason as we have had 
to look long and hard at our platform support and make changes.


There's another aspect of this worth considering as well:

One of the things Richmond noted, which we've all experienced, is that 
as GUI apps and OSes evolve their hardware requirement grow along with 
them.  Over enough time, GUIs can become sluggish.


These days much of the computing we use is done on servers, machines 
that have no GUI constraints since they need no GUI at all.


I've been meeting a lot of educators here in CA who've had great success 
teaching server admin and even security skills to learners at the high 
school level, and sometimes even in middle school.


Given that the role of servers is expected to only increase, and that 
networking in general is now a ubiquitous part of most app development, 
teaching these sorts of skills will only become ever more important 
going forward.


Right now Linux sys admin positions are plentiful and pay well.

And those with security certifications can earn six figures by their 
second year out of school.  Right now there are some 300,000 infosec 
jobs for US SMBs alone that can't be filled because of a shortage of 
qualified candidates.  We need more white hats in the field.


One of my friends organized a "capture the flag" competition at the 
SoCal Linux Expo, and we see similar infosec exercises becoming popular 
in a wide range of EDU contexts.


Best of all, these don't require great hardware.  Unencumbered by GUI 
requirements, servers really don't need much CPU power at all, and can 
operate with a fraction of the RAM modern GUIs need.


For older machines, server applications can make an ideal role for 
extending the useful life of older machines.


The cloud will only become an ever more pervasive part of our computing 
world, and nearly all of the best software needed to learn and create 
cloud systems is entirely free and open.


Server admin may not be for all learners, but for the "Computer Club" 
types it's a natural extension to also learning client-side development.


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Re: Ben Beaumont jumps ship.

2017-06-09 Thread Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 6:33 AM, dunbarx via use-livecode <
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> And gals.
>

No, so far no gals.  Jacque & company aren't keeping up their end :)

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Re: [ANN] a gauge widget

2017-06-09 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 06/09/2017 02:43 AM, BNig via use-livecode wrote:

further experimenting with Livecode Builder I did a Gauge widget that I
posted in the Forum


That is *very* cool. And thanks - you just saved me a bunch of time. 
I've been trying to wrap my head around how to make one of these and now 
I don't have to. Gonna have fun with this today.


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Re: livecode connect framework

2017-06-09 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 06/09/2017 08:53 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

Tom Glod wrote:

 > hey everyone, I just learned about the livecode connect framework

You're ahead of me - what is it?



OMG - another three-letter acronym? LCF!

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Re: Ben Beaumont jumps ship.

2017-06-09 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 06/09/2017 07:48 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

sooo... yeah. Probably involves imbibing strong drink. ;-)


Well. duh... doesn't everything?

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Re: Instantiaing Grouped Controls - Templates - Responsive

2017-06-09 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

Alex Tweedly wrote:

> On 09/06/2017 00:40, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>> I don't understand.  A script-only stack contain no objects, so
>> even if you later copy them, they still need to be dynamically
>> instantiated at some point, no?
>>
>> Like a Zen koan: how can there be a binary object where there is no
>> binary object?
>>
> Hmmm - we're probably heading off into the weeds here 
>
> The script-only stack is used as a behaviour for controls within
> another stack - so it can copt hose controls without them bieng binary
> objects within the scrip-only stack.
>
> OR
>
> The script-only stack creates a set of objects the first time it is
> used (creating the template group).
> Subsequent uses of the script (in the same context) will (at most)
> copy that template group - so yes they are being created - but with
> minimal work because it's doing a copy rather than  "create and then
> set lots of properties".
>
> So not quite as much saving in the second case - but still less work
> than creating and setting lots of properties for the controls.

Thanks.  Glad to find there isn't some mysterious wormhole I'd never 
conceived of in which a script-only stack can contain things beyond a 
script.


But also disappointed. There are a few cases where such a thing may be 
useful.


I'll leave wormholes to theoretical physics, and just stick to my 
script-only stacks and NIB-like UI stacks for now.


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Re: livecode connect framework

2017-06-09 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

Tom Glod wrote:

> hey everyone, I just learned about the livecode connect framework

You're ahead of me - what is it?

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Re: [ANN] a gauge widget

2017-06-09 Thread panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
This is really cool Bernd :)

On 9 Jun 2017 10:59, "BNig via use-livecode" 
wrote:

> further experimenting with Livecode Builder I did a Gauge widget that I
> posted in the Forum
>
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93=29348
>
>
> Kind regards
> Bernd
>
>
>
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livecode connect framework

2017-06-09 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
hey everyone, I just learned about the livecode connect framework . it
sounds great... my question is whether there is any chance on god's
green earth that the framework is also for the community version? i have
next to no hope for that, unless they dual license it, which they don't do
as far as i know.

hoping to be wrong.

thanks,

tom
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Re: 64 bit desktop apps

2017-06-09 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Even California does not require you to support something beyond 10 years. 

Bob S


> On Jun 9, 2017, at 07:50 , Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'd also point out (again) that we are talking about machines which are now > 
> 10 years old (the last Mac which can only run up to 10.7 was released in 
> 2007).


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Re: Price of LiveCode Global

2017-06-09 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode

On 2017-06-09 16:44, Kaveh Bazargan via use-livecode wrote:
Oops, yes, VAT. It wasn't broken down on the page so not obvious. I had 
to

check how far the pound had dropped after election!!


Indeed, I've not looked since, but it dropped almost immediately after 
the exit polls were published.


[ Apparantly, in the UK, the exit polls for general elections have never 
been wrong by +/- 15 seats for the party which got the most seats - 
always nice to be reminded how large numbers of people's behavior can be 
reduced to very small random samples! ]


Warmest Regards,

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Re: 64 bit desktop apps

2017-06-09 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode

On 2017-06-08 21:16, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:

I'm afraid you misread my question. When I stated I was running MacOS
10.4 PPC it was not in expectation of your leaping
up and down and say "Well, yes, Just for you, Richmond, we're going to
set things up for future versions of LiveCode to
build Mac PPC standalones."


Strictly speaking your question was (essentially) "So you don't believe 
in backwards compatibility then?" and then segued into a repeat about 
your usage of PowerPC based Macs... May I suggest you make your 
questions a little clearer (and perhaps less perjorative ;)) then you 
might actually get answers to what you actually meant to ask, instead of 
what it sounded like you asked.


In terms of upping the minimum version requirement for 9.0 to 10.9 then 
using this as reference:


   
http://www.everymac.com/systems/by_capability/maximum-macos-supported.html


Intel Macs fall into four categories:

   - Those which can only run up to 10.6

   - Those which can only run up to 10.7

   - Those which can only run up to 10.11

   - Those which can run current Mac versions

Continuing to support 10.6 and 10.7 is *extremely* difficult due to both 
Cocoa APIs and C++ support. Indeed, continuing to do so would mean two 
things:


  1) Leveraging new APIs on the Mac platform would be much harder, 
meaning that will happen even slower than it has done up until now.


  2) We can't use newer versions of the C++ standard which not only 
makes writing code for the engine harder, but also means that the 
chances of bugs and vulnerabilities increase (because new methods of 
writing C++ which are available in C++11 allow you to do so in much 
'safer' ways). Basically more regressions, more bugs, slower evolution.


I'd also point out (again) that we are talking about machines which are 
now > 10 years old (the last Mac which can only run up to 10.7 was 
released in 2007).


Furthermore, as people have reiterated several times, those OSes are not 
supported by Apple and are hugely insecure in the modern climate. Whilst 
I get what you are saying about 'reusing old hardware' it does seems a 
bit 'off' for 'us' to be palming off old machines onto 'developing' 
countries which we wouldn't use ourselves for those very reasons.


Richard's repeated suggestion that such machines should be 'Linux-ised' 
still always was and continues to be an excellent suggestion. Remember 
that as as time goes by the amount of up to date software which *can* 
run on them will dwindle to nothing - for the same reason as we have had 
to look long and hard at our platform support and make changes.


All Macs which can run 10.8 can also run 10.9 - which is the new minimum 
version for 9. So, yes, there is a set of Intel Macs released between 
2005 and 2007 which will not be able to run 9; but the number of Macs 
which fall outside of this group is many many times larger and will, of 
course, continue to grow year on year.


Warmest Regards,

Mark.

P.S. Please remember that LiveCode is open-source - 95% of changes we 
make to LiveCode as a whole go into the open-source repository. People 
are more than free to fork it and produce a 'legacy version' if they 
wish. A bit like a third-party group has done for FireFox.


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Re: Price of LiveCode Global

2017-06-09 Thread Lagi Pittas via use-livecode
Better than Udemy's exchange rate

$10 -> £15 for special deal at the moment

$10 is £7.85 (by google exchange rate) add 20% vat  gives £9.42 by my
reckoning and they charge  £15 - go figure!!

Kindest Regards Lagi

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> Oops, yes, VAT. It wasn't broken down on the page so not obvious. I had to
> check how far the pound had dropped after election!!
>
> I'll hold you to the 1.20, Alex. ;-)
>
> Regards
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> > $299 -> £234 + VAT = £280.80
> >
> > I'll pay the other £1.20 for you :-)
> >
> > -- Alex.
> >
> >
> > On 09/06/2017 15:37, Kaveh Bazargan via use-livecode wrote:
> >
> >> How does $299 convert to £282?
> >>
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Re: Ben Beaumont jumps ship.

2017-06-09 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
sooo... yeah. Probably involves imbibing strong drink. ;-)

Bob S


> On Jun 9, 2017, at 05:00 , Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 2017-06-07 20:19, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> I'm going to guess that is a Scottish colloquialism which involves
>> imbibing strong drink.
> 
> Hehe - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilting_at_windmills
> 
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Re: Price of LiveCode Global

2017-06-09 Thread Kaveh Bazargan via use-livecode
Oops, yes, VAT. It wasn't broken down on the page so not obvious. I had to
check how far the pound had dropped after election!!

I'll hold you to the 1.20, Alex. ;-)

Regards
Kaveh

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> $299 -> £234 + VAT = £280.80
>
> I'll pay the other £1.20 for you :-)
>
> -- Alex.
>
>
> On 09/06/2017 15:37, Kaveh Bazargan via use-livecode wrote:
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>> How does $299 convert to £282?
>>
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Re: Price of LiveCode Global

2017-06-09 Thread Alex Tweedly via use-livecode

$299 -> £234 + VAT = £280.80

I'll pay the other £1.20 for you :-)

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Price of LiveCode Global

2017-06-09 Thread Kaveh Bazargan via use-livecode
How does $299 convert to £282?

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Re: Instantiaing Grouped Controls - Templates - Responsive

2017-06-09 Thread Alex Tweedly via use-livecode



On 09/06/2017 00:40, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:


I don't understand.  A script-only stack contain no objects, so even 
if you later copy them, they still need to be dynamically instantiated 
at some point, no?


Like a Zen koan: how can there be a binary object where there is no 
binary object?



Hmmm - we're probably heading off into the weeds here 

The script-only stack is used as a behaviour for controls within another 
stack - so it can copt hose controls without them bieng binary objects 
within the scrip-only stack.


OR

The script-only stack creates a set of objects the first time it is used 
(creating the template group).
Subsequent uses of the script (in the same context) will (at most) copy 
that template group - so yes they are being created - but with minimal 
work because it's doing a copy rather than  "create and then set lots of 
properties".


So not quite as much saving in the second case - but still less work 
than creating and setting lots of properties for the controls.


Alex.

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Re: 64 bit desktop apps

2017-06-09 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> I don't see the problem as relating to machines that LiveCode might be
> deployed on, but as machines for which 32-bit
> standalones might be authored.

In my reading of Mark's comment, it doesn't seem that's going away, 
merely tha 64-bit-only builds will become the default:


   At the very least, we'll certainly be switching the IDE to 64-bit
   (by default) and make the SB build 64-bit only (by default) in 9+.


@Mark Waddingham:  If I misunderstand please correct me.

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Re: What is "LCS"?

2017-06-09 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

panagiotis merakos wrote:

> Hi Richmond,
>
> LCB -> LiveCode Builder
> LCS -> LiveCode Script

If those acronyms are used in promotional materials it may be helpful to 
define them.


Most style guides suggest using the full form once, following by the 
acronym in parentheses, after which the acronym thus defined can be used 
freely.


E.g.:

   This session will discuss powerful techniques in
   LiveCode Script (LCS).  By using behaviors and
   other methods, LCS allows the scripter to define
   rich classes of objects.

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Re: Ben Beaumont jumps ship.

2017-06-09 Thread dunbarx via use-livecode
And gals.

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OT: Has anybody experiences with apps for VPP licenses?

2017-06-09 Thread Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode
Hello, I don't find adhoc the answers for my questions at apple, so I want
to ask you, if anybody has experiences, what it means to offer an app for
VPP licenses in the iOS appStore? I have an app offered in the appstore with
inApp purchases, but inApp purchases are not allowed for the VPP program, so
I have to make a second version of my same app with all inApp features
included, which I want to offer for public schools. There are a lot of
informations for customers, what they have to do to get VPP licenses, but I
don't find anything about what the developer has to do to offer VPP
licenses, perhaps it is much more easy, as I think. Perhaps I even don't
have to do anything else as for a "normal app".

Do I have to prepare or mark an app as available for VPP or is every app per
se available for VPP?

Do I have any control over the VPP discounts, or is that fixed by apple and
I just set the price per 1, as for a "normal app"?

Do I upload the "VPP app" to the appstore the same way, as a "normal app" or
is there a separate "VPP store"?

Are there any other differences or pitfalls with VPP?

Thanks for your experiences

Tiemo 

 

 

 

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Re: Ben Beaumont jumps ship.

2017-06-09 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode

On 2017-06-07 20:19, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

I'm going to guess that is a Scottish colloquialism which involves
imbibing strong drink.


Hehe - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilting_at_windmills

Warmest Regards,

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Re: Ben Beaumont jumps ship.

2017-06-09 Thread Heather Laine via use-livecode
You know, I knew as soon as I'd sent that email I'd used the wrong word there. 
The use-list guys are going to jump all over this... 

Nevermind. I confirm I am still alive and so are the other members of the team. 
No zombies or ghosts here.

No

N

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> On 9 Jun 2017, at 12:40, Martin Koob via use-livecode 
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> I thought the same thing!
> 
> Does this mean that 25a Thistle Street Lane South West should be a stop on
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> https://www.ianrankin.net/about/
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> Martin
> 
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>>> 
>>> Heather Laine
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
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>> use-livecode@.runrev
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 Worrying in view that Dr Peter Brett recently left as well.
 
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Re: Ben Beaumont jumps ship.

2017-06-09 Thread Martin Koob via use-livecode
I thought the same thing!

Does this mean that 25a Thistle Street Lane South West should be a stop on
the Edinburgh Ghost Walk?  Or the setting of a new Ian Rankin novel?
https://www.ianrankin.net/about/

Martin


Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode wrote
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> 
> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 12:49 PM, Heather Laine via use-livecode <

> use-livecode@.runrev

>> wrote:
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>>
>> Warm Regards,
>>
>> Heather
>> (who is now the longest surviving staff member other than Kevin)
>>
>> Heather Laine
>> Customer Services Manager
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>> www.livecode.com
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 7 Jun 2017, at 17:00, AndyP via use-livecode <
>> 

> use-livecode@.runrev

>> wrote:
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>> > Worrying in view that Dr Peter Brett recently left as well.
>> >
>> > His twitter post here>
>> > https://twitter.com/PeterTBBrett/status/849958594745438208
>> > https://twitter.com/PeterTBBrett/status/849958594745438208;
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -
>> > Andy Piddock
>> >
>> >
>> > My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
>> >
>> > TinyIDE a Free alternative minimalist IDE Plugin for LiveCode
>> > TinyIDE
>> >
>> >
>> > Script editor Themer for LC http://2108.co.uk
>> >
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Re: What is "LCS"?

2017-06-09 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
Great: "How wise one might be and how wise one might grow, making 
enquiries at the Bellingham show."


The language has changed its name more times than most of us have . . . 
err, well, never mind :)


Richmond.

On 6/9/17 1:52 pm, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Richmond,

LCB -> LiveCode Builder
LCS -> LiveCode Script

Best,
Panos
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"As part of this topic, Mark will be:

  *

Producing a widget capable of displaying vector graphics using a
universal 'vector metafile' format - this will be written in LCB

  *

Producing a converter which will support a suitable subset of SVG,
written in LCS, which will transform an SVG document into a vector
metafile, usable with the widget."

LCS?

Richmond.

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Re: What is "LCS"?

2017-06-09 Thread panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
Hi Richmond,

LCB -> LiveCode Builder
LCS -> LiveCode Script

Best,
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> "As part of this topic, Mark will be:
>
>  *
>
>Producing a widget capable of displaying vector graphics using a
>universal 'vector metafile' format - this will be written in LCB
>
>  *
>
>Producing a converter which will support a suitable subset of SVG,
>written in LCS, which will transform an SVG document into a vector
>metafile, usable with the widget."
>
> LCS?
>
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What is "LCS"?

2017-06-09 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode

"As part of this topic, Mark will be:

 *

   Producing a widget capable of displaying vector graphics using a
   universal 'vector metafile' format - this will be written in LCB

 *

   Producing a converter which will support a suitable subset of SVG,
   written in LCS, which will transform an SVG document into a vector
   metafile, usable with the widget."

LCS?

Richmond.

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[ANN] a gauge widget

2017-06-09 Thread BNig via use-livecode
further experimenting with Livecode Builder I did a Gauge widget that I
posted in the Forum

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93=29348


Kind regards
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Re: 64 bit desktop apps

2017-06-09 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
I don't see the problem as relating to machines that LiveCode might be 
deployed on, but as machines for which 32-bit

standalones might be authored.

My highly theoretical scenario runs a bit likes this;

A number of schools in what are coyly called "third world countries" 
running old machines for content delivery; either in

schools or in, say, government offices.

An author of software for this scenario might have a 64-bit machine, but 
would need the ability to export for the target market.


As there are very many fully-functional 32-bit machines (whether Macs or 
IBM-compats) "out there" (and by "out there"
I mean outwith the slightly smug, self-satisfied circle of charmed 
countries quite incorrectly termed "Western" - Australia, western? -)
that are being put to good purpose rather than clogging up landfills and 
shafting the planet, this scenario does not seem

totally daft to me.

Admittedly, authors could use earlier versions of LiveCode that do 
produce 32-bit standalones to deliver the goods
(I still use 4.5 for stuff I run on a couple of PPC Macs), but, 
obviously, this cuts them off from new capabilities that will be built 
into newer

versions.

Richmond.

On 6/8/17 11:07 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

Microsoft suffered for years over backwards compatibility with DOS. MS wanted to move 
forward with their OS at a quicker pace but there were so many "critical" apps 
running under DOS that talked directly with the hardware, that no one wanted MS to 
depricate it. Windows 95 was supposed to be the first version of Windows to break the 
chain, but had to retain some functionality still. Even Windows 98 was still bound in 
some ways with DOS.

The point is, you have the right to expect backwards compatibility... to a 
point. Where is that point? Well let's see, how long ago did Apple stop 
suporting 32 bit OS? As far as I am concerned, that is the point beyond which 
backwards compatibility is gratis.

Bob S



On Jun 8, 2017, at 03:04 , Richmond via use-livecode 
 wrote:

So, backwards compatibility does not interest you?

I, for one, run Mac Machines running MacOS 10.4 PPC.

A lot of these machine are being dumped in poor countries where they can be used
for good purposes.

Richmond.

On 08/06/17 09:19, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

On 2017-06-07 21:59, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:

I disagree as there are plenty of Macs "out there" in the worldthat
run 32-bit systems.

Not that LiveCode supports.


Far better to have BOTH possibilities checked as default.

Only if there existed a Mac which can run LiveCode but cannot run 64-bit apps - 
which is the case for LiveCode 9.x as it supports 10.9+.

Indeed it would be far better to have no possibility at all (simpler) - just 
build for 64-bit since...

64-bit support has been around since 10.6, at that time there were machines 
which could run 10.6 which were 32-bit only.

However, all macs which will run 10.7 will run 64-bit apps.

Therefore, if LiveCode only supports 10.7 and above, then LiveCode and any apps 
you build with it need only be 64-bit.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.



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